I get that you don’t like them, but they are a real news organization. Even if you hate the news they report.
Wikipedia: The Fox News Channel (FNC), commonly known as Fox News, is an American multinational conservative news and political commentary television channel and website based in New York City. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
Fox “News” disagrees with you. According to their own court testimony, they are NOT news and “no rational person would reasonably believe” their content to “be factual”.
Fox “News” is tabloid entertainment, and they openly admit that under oath.
So if Fox News isn’t really a news organization, where’s the lawsuit to shut them down for falsely advertising themselves?
The fact is, the Democrats—and every other critic—know they can’t legally do that, because even tabloids and entertainment shows have the right to report on real events.
Court statements like “no rational person would reasonably believe…” are legal jargon used to dodge liability in lawsuits—it doesn’t suddenly strip them of being a news organization.
If the content’s purely entertainment, then let’s see someone challenge their status. Until that happens, it’s all noise without substance, comrade.
where’s the lawsuit to shut them down for falsely advertising themselves?
Conservatives (under Reagan) abolished the “Fairness Doctrine” that would allow such lawsuits to succeed. Reagan also vetoed a congressional attempt to codify (legally require) “news” organizations to operate in good faith and honesty.
Very shortly after these changes by conservatives, AM radio and Fox News burst to life filling the airwaves with right-wing misinformation designed to make conservative morons angry at scapegoats.
TL;DR:
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation.
Ok, so it’s legal to call them “news” then. If it weren’t they wouldn’t be called “Fox News.”
Dude, they’re a news org. I know you hate them. I understand. That’s ok. But they are still news, even if you hate them. There is no law against them or anyone calling them and treating them like a news org. That’s why they are still around.
I’m not even conservative or voting conservative, and I can see that. Just accept it, friend.
Explain how I’m arguing in bad faith? We weren’t talking about “honesty” we were talking legal stuff. And you brought up legal stuff. Everything I said was true.
Basically what you mean is that YOU don’t think they should be called a news org. And that YOU think it’s dishonest to say.
It doesn’t count as bad faith just because you disagree with it, friend. :)
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
You are attempting to defend a tabloid as a reasonable source of true information by pretending that a lack of legal remedy for lies justifies their admitted dishonesty. As such, your bad faith position is apparent on its face.
As always, every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation.
You’re mad because Fox News is still a thing. And you don’t think it should be.
Just fucking admit it, dude. Stop trying to hide behind “oh you are arguing in bad faith!” or “You’re defending a tabloid!!”
Dude you hate Fox News. You hate conservatives. You hate the election is going to be close, so you feel that Fox News is adding to the danger of your candidate not winning.
Just fucking have the balls to say it. It’s not even something to be worried about because most of Lemmy feels the same way you do! lol
Stop being a pussy and hiding behind “bad faith!” accusations. Fucking just come out and be upfront about it.
And you’re arguing with me and I’m not even a conservative or voting for Trump! lololol Feel free to block me and/or this community if you are gonna just make up shit about bad faith. :)
They are literally not news, at least according to the case where exactly that was litigated, BUT they are legally allowed to lie about that, insofar as calling themselves “news” is concerned. There’s a vast difference.
Wanna know who does not disagree with me? The judge who ruled on this question in a case against Fox News. Wanna know why she came to that conclusion?`Because, and get this, because FOX NEWS themselves argued as follows:
Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.
As Defendant notes, Mr. Carlson himself aims to “challenge[] political correctness and media bias.” Def. Br. at 14. This “general tenor” of the show should then inform a viewer that he is not “stating actual facts” about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in “exaggeration” and “non-literal commentary.”
[…]
Fox persuasively argues, see Def Br. at 13-15, that given Mr. Carlson’s reputation, any reasonable viewer “arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism” about the statements he makes.
(emphasis in bold by me)
So Fox News claim they are not news, but commentary talk shows. Again: Fox News themselves agree with me when I say Fox News is not news and according to Fox News themselves, they cannot be reasonably understood as being factual.
Actually I don’t. I haven’t looked it up and I also wasn’t even aware that they used that as a defense until you mentioned it. So are you saying the courts DID accept that defense and considered Fox News entertainment org, or did they accept that it was “entertainment news”?
And even so, an entertainment org can still put out “news.” You’re not going to win this argument, comrade. They are a news org. Regardless of if you think it’s fake news, or entertainment news or whatever.
Because if it were illegal to call them “news” the wouldn’t be able to call themselves “Fox News.” Plus the Democrat Party would definitely try to get a court order for them to change their name if that were the case.
Also, just so you know, I’m not voting Republican anyway. :)
Lol, okay. A lot of people watch them and listen to what they say therefore they’re news. That’s the logic on politics unfiltered. Sure seems like there’s a lot of filters around here.
So even though Wikipedia decided they are news, other news orgs consider them news, and practically half of the country considers them news, YOU are the one who’s right when you say they’re not news!?
Not me, they’re the ones that say they’re not news. So here’s the question you have to ask yourself if half the people listen to their opinions and their opinion is they’re not news does that mean half the country thinks they’re not news?
So if Fox News isn’t really a news organization, where’s the lawsuit to shut them down for falsely advertising themselves?
The fact is, the Democrats—and every other critic—know they can’t legally do that, because even tabloids and entertainment shows have the right to report on real events.
Court statements like “no rational person would reasonably believe…” are legal jargon used to dodge liability in lawsuits—it doesn’t suddenly strip them of being a news organization.
If the content’s purely entertainment, then let’s see someone challenge their status. Until that happens, it’s all noise without substance.
I get that you don’t like them, but they are a real news organization. Even if you hate the news they report.
Wikipedia: The Fox News Channel (FNC), commonly known as Fox News, is an American multinational conservative news and political commentary television channel and website based in New York City. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News
Fox “News” disagrees with you. According to their own court testimony, they are NOT news and “no rational person would reasonably believe” their content to “be factual”.
Fox “News” is tabloid entertainment, and they openly admit that under oath.
So if Fox News isn’t really a news organization, where’s the lawsuit to shut them down for falsely advertising themselves?
The fact is, the Democrats—and every other critic—know they can’t legally do that, because even tabloids and entertainment shows have the right to report on real events.
Court statements like “no rational person would reasonably believe…” are legal jargon used to dodge liability in lawsuits—it doesn’t suddenly strip them of being a news organization.
If the content’s purely entertainment, then let’s see someone challenge their status. Until that happens, it’s all noise without substance, comrade.
Conservatives (under Reagan) abolished the “Fairness Doctrine” that would allow such lawsuits to succeed. Reagan also vetoed a congressional attempt to codify (legally require) “news” organizations to operate in good faith and honesty.
Very shortly after these changes by conservatives, AM radio and Fox News burst to life filling the airwaves with right-wing misinformation designed to make conservative morons angry at scapegoats.
TL;DR: Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation.
Ok, so it’s legal to call them “news” then. If it weren’t they wouldn’t be called “Fox News.”
Dude, they’re a news org. I know you hate them. I understand. That’s ok. But they are still news, even if you hate them. There is no law against them or anyone calling them and treating them like a news org. That’s why they are still around.
I’m not even conservative or voting conservative, and I can see that. Just accept it, friend.
Legal does not equal Honest
You are arguing in bad faith, as usual. Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
Explain how I’m arguing in bad faith? We weren’t talking about “honesty” we were talking legal stuff. And you brought up legal stuff. Everything I said was true.
Basically what you mean is that YOU don’t think they should be called a news org. And that YOU think it’s dishonest to say.
It doesn’t count as bad faith just because you disagree with it, friend. :)
Cool! I’m not a conservative, so I don’t care.
You are attempting to defend a tabloid as a reasonable source of true information by pretending that a lack of legal remedy for lies justifies their admitted dishonesty. As such, your bad faith position is apparent on its face.
As always, every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation.
No, try again.
You’re mad because Fox News is still a thing. And you don’t think it should be.
Just fucking admit it, dude. Stop trying to hide behind “oh you are arguing in bad faith!” or “You’re defending a tabloid!!”
Dude you hate Fox News. You hate conservatives. You hate the election is going to be close, so you feel that Fox News is adding to the danger of your candidate not winning.
Just fucking have the balls to say it. It’s not even something to be worried about because most of Lemmy feels the same way you do! lol
Stop being a pussy and hiding behind “bad faith!” accusations. Fucking just come out and be upfront about it.
And you’re arguing with me and I’m not even a conservative or voting for Trump! lololol Feel free to block me and/or this community if you are gonna just make up shit about bad faith. :)
They are literally not news, at least according to the case where exactly that was litigated, BUT they are legally allowed to lie about that, insofar as calling themselves “news” is concerned. There’s a vast difference.
Well, lots of people disagree with you. Including me. Thanks!
Wanna know who does not disagree with me? The judge who ruled on this question in a case against Fox News. Wanna know why she came to that conclusion?`Because, and get this, because FOX NEWS themselves argued as follows:
(emphasis in bold by me)
So Fox News claim they are not news, but commentary talk shows. Again: Fox News themselves agree with me when I say Fox News is not news and according to Fox News themselves, they cannot be reasonably understood as being factual.
Fox News disagrees with you.
I don’t care. They are referred to as a news org, even in wikipedia. So I’ll keep using them. Thanks!
They’re not a real news organization, as they have argued in courts of law they are entertainment organization.
Did the courts accept that defense, or did they hold them accountable as a news org?
You know they accepted the defense
Actually I don’t. I haven’t looked it up and I also wasn’t even aware that they used that as a defense until you mentioned it. So are you saying the courts DID accept that defense and considered Fox News entertainment org, or did they accept that it was “entertainment news”?
And even so, an entertainment org can still put out “news.” You’re not going to win this argument, comrade. They are a news org. Regardless of if you think it’s fake news, or entertainment news or whatever.
Because if it were illegal to call them “news” the wouldn’t be able to call themselves “Fox News.” Plus the Democrat Party would definitely try to get a court order for them to change their name if that were the case.
Also, just so you know, I’m not voting Republican anyway. :)
Sure “comrade” totally believe you’re not voting Republican.
Thank you! I’m glad you understand.
I’m voting for Rachele Fruit, of the Socialst Workers Party. https://lemmy.world/c/swp
Well then update the wikipedia article, comrade.
Fox News has plenty of people watching them and voting based on the info they get, so you are gonna have a big fight on your hands. Good luck!
Lol, okay. A lot of people watch them and listen to what they say therefore they’re news. That’s the logic on politics unfiltered. Sure seems like there’s a lot of filters around here.
So even though Wikipedia decided they are news, other news orgs consider them news, and practically half of the country considers them news, YOU are the one who’s right when you say they’re not news!?
Is that what you are trying to get me to believe?
Not me, they’re the ones that say they’re not news. So here’s the question you have to ask yourself if half the people listen to their opinions and their opinion is they’re not news does that mean half the country thinks they’re not news?
So if Fox News isn’t really a news organization, where’s the lawsuit to shut them down for falsely advertising themselves?
The fact is, the Democrats—and every other critic—know they can’t legally do that, because even tabloids and entertainment shows have the right to report on real events.
Court statements like “no rational person would reasonably believe…” are legal jargon used to dodge liability in lawsuits—it doesn’t suddenly strip them of being a news organization.
If the content’s purely entertainment, then let’s see someone challenge their status. Until that happens, it’s all noise without substance.
Yet, they still call themselves “Fox News” so they are not saying they are not news.
And to your question, I totally think that half the country thinks they are not news! And almost all of Lemmy agrees! lmao
Oops, you must have overlooked that Wikipedia now considers Fox News “generally unreliable for politics starting in November 2020”.
Haven’t overlooked that at all. But they still count it as a news org. Thanks!