• @[email protected]
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    It wasn’t even exactly that. It was MILLIONS of people who voted Democrat previously just sitting this one out. I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…

    “Trump is horrible, but the Democrats made inflation. I’m not voting for either.” (Conveniently forgetting COVID and the necessary cash injection that helped keep people paying bills on time and kept businesses afloat to be there to rehire when lockdowns ended.) Ignorance…

    Not that it was perfectly executed by any stretch of the imagination, but the alternative was everyone “non-essential” goes broke and businesses everywhere collapse. There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns, we don’t have the luxury of hindsight when something new happens obviously. We probably didn’t need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(

    • @DogWater
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      Yeah, I would be utterly shocked if the Gaza issue lost her that many votes.

      It’s utterly detestable how short voter memory is.

    • @Alteon
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      Hey, so the 15 million thing isn’t true. That was the number before all of the votes came in. She actually gained votes in battleground states, but lost them in non-battleground states (states that didn’t really matter). Just a heads up. We need to be using facts here (not trying to attack, just trying to get that information out).

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        You’re right but it’s 12 million less than Biden got so your not really establishing anything other than the number was a little less in the final tally. Everything they said is exactly right with 15 million or 12 million.

    • @TrickDacy
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      Hey now, you cannot blame voters. Only rage into the void about Democrats, that’s the only thing that can help. I mean it clearly worked before, right!? /s

      Source: many Lemmy users.

      • @Katana314
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        Down the street, a guy’s house burned down. Of course, we all blame him for it - and his failure to find a message that resonated with the firefighters, to motivate them to come save the building.

        • @TrickDacy
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          Lol I hate that your analogy made me laugh because it’s awful but all I have else to do is cry, so thanks?

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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      There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns

      Maybe the world where Trump implemented the pandemic response plan that Obama left for him. But, no, we got Mr. Inject-Bleach-And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.

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        And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.

        At least then they could say they had a bright idea!

        …I’ll see myself out.

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      I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…

      I believe there were 15 million "oh look, Harris is besties with Liz Cheney and continuing the half assed approach that Dems keep doing so who fucking cares’ people. I totally see why her poll numbers kept dropping over the course of her campaign after a strong start.

      I still voted for her, but at that point is was just another vote against Republicans.

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        All these people on these threads blaming it on the voters when Harris had it in her power to run a different campaign is just lazy. Harris not only had a brake she could pull to stop the “trolley”, she had a damned steering wheel to steer completely away from running people over, and she made a choice not to. Dont blame the peasants for shit leadership.

        Every single swing state lost. Both congress and the house lost. Thats a badly out of touch party, not stupid voters.

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        I think that takes more thought than even those who vote with us do. I think we seriously overestimate the political intelligence of the people in this country. Not to say 0% were those people, but if we’re talking millions I think we’re talking about typical ignorance.

        I think the vast majority vote D for social issues, but once their pocketbook gets hurt it’s time to sit it out or worse “punish” the party in power by voting for the opposition. :(

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          They succeeded in punishing the party. For a price. We’ll revisit later if it was worth it.

          • @Fedizen
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            if you listen to interviews of non voters they’re not even online. Ever. Like we need more people reaching out to real humans in the real world. they don’t listen to news they arent online. I don’t think democrats were ever going to win this one, too many voters are entirely unreachable.

          • @TrickDacy
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            It would take 100 years minimum to undo the damage that will be done, so I’m going to say “not worth it”.

            • Pelicanen
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              The damage to the environment will never be undone. The US will double-down on emissions and most other countries in the world will stop trying because they won’t think there’s any point anymore.

              • @TrickDacy
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                Oh it will recover alright. About a million years after we go extinct. So in about 1.00005 million years.

                  • @Fedizen
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                    Probably. I think nukes could do it in 20 years, but ecological collapse will be a brutal 200 years

      • @TrickDacy
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        So they thought through what it means to associate with a Cheney, but at the same time didn’t care enough to do anything about this situation? I don’t buy it. Apathy lost this election. And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.

        • @Ensign_Crab
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          You will never admit that moving to the right has failed.

        • snooggums
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          And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.

          Agreed, which is why I still voted despite sharing the same demotivation.

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      the inflation is worse than that. trump droped rates from obamas 3 or 4 percent to zero before covid. I repeat before the covid emergency which is when you might drop them a percent or so.

    • UristMcHolland
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      We probably didn’t need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(

      Gee I wonder why that happened. Couldn’t have been this