Do I understand correctly that you’re saying these people are from a pro-child abuse Facebook group? Can you explain what MAPS are? I’m too scared to look it up myself in case it’s a more loaded term than I realize.
It seems like some of the users are celebrating, but I think I’m gonna need a lot more context to understand what kind of fuckery is happening here.
MAPs are pedos who don’t like being called pedos. It stands for “minor attracted person”.
Chronically online pedos invented this term because they want pedophilia to be recognized as a sexuality or a type of neurodivergence so that it would be protected under the same laws as other sexualities and/or mental disorders.
In other words it’s their attempt to claim they have no choice but to engage in child abuse. Anyone who insists on using the term MAP is probably also a pedo.
To be fair being attracted to minors IS a mental illness as those people never chose it and can hardly do much about it, except for taking therapy like you do with other mental illnesses.
Likewise, being about who they are attracted to and again being something they did not choose, it also IS a sexuality.
More than anything else it is a curse. Imagine having to live with an attraction to people you can’t hope of actually dating, imagine having no way to love somebody you’re attracted to without harming them.
Now those people I have seen in the “MAP” space have a tendency to actually favour acting on their urges one way or another which is horrible, so I have no problem with your last paragraph. What I do not like is the other two, framing pedos as wicked people.
There is a stigma on pedophilia which is justified but also framed very poorly. The behaviour should rightfully be stigmatised, but the people should be treated for what the are: mentally sick and in need of help.
The stigma on the people that is well exemplified in your second paragraph is exactly what makes it hard for morally sound pedophiles to go and seek help.
Everything I said is about pedos that insist on being called MAPs. Calling them pedos doesn’t inherently frame them as wicked people. A pedo can only get help if they first recognize they’re a pedo.
They definitely need therapy for their mental illness. The problem is when they claim it’s a sexuality, neurodivergence or a disability, to try to normalize the condition/behavior or feel like a victim. Kids are victims, pedos are mentally ill.
Conflating mental illness with sexuality is wrong. Pedophilia is not a sexuality. Some pedos may be “morally sound” if they are filled with disgust at their thoughts, never act on them and instead make every effort to change. Sexuality is something you can’t change and isn’t inherently abusive.
For example, beastiality is abusive. It’s a mental illness that can be helped through therapy. Sexualities don’t need to be helped, and attempting to “fix” someone’s sexuality in therapy would be abuse.
Well those are your definitions, and of course under them I am wrong and you are right. But I don’t think they are correct.
Would you be able to find a definition of “sexuality” or “sexual orientation” that says it’s not inherently abusive? I’ll wait but I don’t think you will.
You can’t control who you are attracted to, and to be fair I think saying otherwise would be rather reactionary.
If you are attracted to people or things who can consent to your intimacy - or even to objects - that’s great. If you are attracted to kids or animals it’s not great at all. But they are all sexual orientations, and you don’t get to decide through legality which ones are not.
I don’t disagree with you on the disgust for pedo behaviour and the attempts of tbe “MAPs” to make it acceptable. I disagree with the stigma on those who have that attraction BECAUSE of the attraction itself rather than their actions.
Do I understand correctly that you’re saying these people are from a pro-child abuse Facebook group? Can you explain what MAPS are? I’m too scared to look it up myself in case it’s a more loaded term than I realize.
It seems like some of the users are celebrating, but I think I’m gonna need a lot more context to understand what kind of fuckery is happening here.
MAPs are pedos who don’t like being called pedos. It stands for “minor attracted person”.
Chronically online pedos invented this term because they want pedophilia to be recognized as a sexuality or a type of neurodivergence so that it would be protected under the same laws as other sexualities and/or mental disorders.
In other words it’s their attempt to claim they have no choice but to engage in child abuse. Anyone who insists on using the term MAP is probably also a pedo.
To be fair being attracted to minors IS a mental illness as those people never chose it and can hardly do much about it, except for taking therapy like you do with other mental illnesses.
Likewise, being about who they are attracted to and again being something they did not choose, it also IS a sexuality.
More than anything else it is a curse. Imagine having to live with an attraction to people you can’t hope of actually dating, imagine having no way to love somebody you’re attracted to without harming them.
Now those people I have seen in the “MAP” space have a tendency to actually favour acting on their urges one way or another which is horrible, so I have no problem with your last paragraph. What I do not like is the other two, framing pedos as wicked people.
There is a stigma on pedophilia which is justified but also framed very poorly. The behaviour should rightfully be stigmatised, but the people should be treated for what the are: mentally sick and in need of help.
The stigma on the people that is well exemplified in your second paragraph is exactly what makes it hard for morally sound pedophiles to go and seek help.
“To be fair” to “morally sound” pedos?
Everything I said is about pedos that insist on being called MAPs. Calling them pedos doesn’t inherently frame them as wicked people. A pedo can only get help if they first recognize they’re a pedo.
They definitely need therapy for their mental illness. The problem is when they claim it’s a sexuality, neurodivergence or a disability, to try to normalize the condition/behavior or feel like a victim. Kids are victims, pedos are mentally ill.
Conflating mental illness with sexuality is wrong. Pedophilia is not a sexuality. Some pedos may be “morally sound” if they are filled with disgust at their thoughts, never act on them and instead make every effort to change. Sexuality is something you can’t change and isn’t inherently abusive.
For example, beastiality is abusive. It’s a mental illness that can be helped through therapy. Sexualities don’t need to be helped, and attempting to “fix” someone’s sexuality in therapy would be abuse.
Well those are your definitions, and of course under them I am wrong and you are right. But I don’t think they are correct.
Would you be able to find a definition of “sexuality” or “sexual orientation” that says it’s not inherently abusive? I’ll wait but I don’t think you will.
You can’t control who you are attracted to, and to be fair I think saying otherwise would be rather reactionary.
If you are attracted to people or things who can consent to your intimacy - or even to objects - that’s great. If you are attracted to kids or animals it’s not great at all. But they are all sexual orientations, and you don’t get to decide through legality which ones are not.
I don’t disagree with you on the disgust for pedo behaviour and the attempts of tbe “MAPs” to make it acceptable. I disagree with the stigma on those who have that attraction BECAUSE of the attraction itself rather than their actions.
Oh great, another NAMBL or whatever the fuck it was called. Thank you for the detailed response, I’m gonna go wash my eyeballs now.
I can’t speak to the broader context here but MAP stands for Minor Attracted Person. They like to call themselves that.
Ew. Thanks. :(
I’ve had to live with the knowledge and now you do too. 😐
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