• Flying SquidOP
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    310 hours ago

    Why do you think an AI is in the position to know what makes a qualified individual? It probably rejects every resume it views as not fitting its standard template. Wanting to hire the next Einstein? Well too bad, he’s neurodivergent and he doesn’t write a resume the way the AI wants him to. Also, he has an “ethnic” name so that’s an automatic rejection.

    • @scarabic
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      16 hours ago

      Do you think there’s enough information in the application to decide? If that information is there, then you shouldn’t categorically assume AI is being racist against Einstein. Personal review of resumes is notoriously rife with bias - you actually might want to consider that AI could be an improvement. The guy with the ethnic name might get a high AI score and actually get a second look. You don’t know the AI performs worse than humans in the things you care about. Be real: you have no information about that at all.

        • @scarabic
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          Any comparison with how humans do with the same resumes in that article? Hm… nope.

          The AI models are racist because they are trained on racist human generated decision sets. At least AI can be reprogrammed. Your own article concludes that this research should be used to improve AI.

          • Flying SquidOP
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            14 hours ago

            Your own article concludes that this research should be used to improve AI.

            What did I say above?

            Believe it or not, we already know a lot of information about this issue. It’s just that no one gives a shit.

            But I’m not sure why you think “less racist than a racist human but still racist” as the current status quo is acceptable.

    • @WhyFlip
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      16 hours ago

      There’s no template that is looked for in my company’s case. And it’s not black and white, accept/reject, rather it’s trained to score applicants on a predefined set of criteria set by my company. It’s used as a tool to basically sort the resumes from strongest to weakest, most applicable to least. Depending on how many resumes are received, all of them might still be reviewed by a human. We don’t and never have used a candidate’s name at any point in the review process.

      “Neurodivergent” had to have been a front runner for 2024 word of the year.

      • Flying SquidOP
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        -16 hours ago

        “Neurodivergent” had to have been a front runner for 2024 word of the year.

        Are you suggesting that autism and ADHD are not real conditions?

        • @WhyFlip
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          12 hours ago

          Not even sure why you’d even ask this as I never said any such thing. Of course ADHD and autism are real conditions.

          • Flying SquidOP
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            12 hours ago

            I quoted why I asked it. It sure sounds like you’re saying it’s just a meaningless buzzword.

            • @WhyFlip
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              151 minutes ago

              You love to assume.

        • @scarabic
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          26 hours ago

          Do you seriously believe that human review of a neurodivergent person’s strangely composed resume is going to be any better? Have you ever sat down with a stack of resumes in your life? Managers will toss them in seconds without even reading them in full - at least AI will do that.

          I think you’re just using neurodivergence as a way to take your miserably uninformed assumptions about how AI application review works, and legitimize them as a discrimination issue.

          • Flying SquidOP
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            -16 hours ago

            You didn’t answer my question.

            • @scarabic
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              16 hours ago

              ADHD and Autism are real conditions.

              Now answer every point I made.

              • Flying SquidOP
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                14 hours ago

                I seriously believe a human can view a non-standard resume and make a better judgment about it than a machine. And yes, I have sat down with a stack of resumes. I used to own my own company. That’s exactly how I know someone with a resume that doesn’t fit the traditional template an AI might care about, especially if they have a flair for design, would get my attention as a good candidate.

                I also wouldn’t care if their name was Shonda or Muhammad. AIs, on the other hand, reject people with “ethnic” names.

                Happy now?

                • @WhyFlip
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                  12 hours ago

                  What is this “traditional template” you keep referring to?

                  • Flying SquidOP
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                    Are you serious? You’ve never seen resume templates?

                    Just Google the phrase “resume template” to see lots of them.

                    What do you think AI is trained on when trained to look at resumes? How do you think it decides what is a good resume and a bad resume? Do you think it uses its reasoning abilities?

                    Also: “Thanks for answering my questions.” You’re welcome.