there’s more than shown here and it’s more than just these users too 😭

if you find the thread don’t piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe don’t bring it back here i don’t want 400 notifications of entry level “is almond milk milk” vegan discourse

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    Ah yeah, I’ve had an interaction with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo… ideal discussion partner right there.

    • Mayor Poopington
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      The happy animals one is hilarious. I would have no problem with someone eating me after I died and I sure as shit am not happy

      • enkers
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        Ah yes. That one is the one where every interlocutor happens to only eat meat “from their uncles farm with 3 cows on 40 acres of pasture, where they’re hand-scrubbed by cherubs while eating figs.”

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          Aw man I fucked that up. My uncle has 40 cows on 3 acres that get hand scrubbed by figs while eating cherubs.

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          and the cows only die of old age and untreatable disease…

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        I don’t care about my corpse after I’m dead, but I do somewhat disagree with getting killed.

        • @Valmond
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          But would you want to … get … Milked?

          Sorry

        • Mayor Poopington
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          Either way, it would be really hard to voice my opinion

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          I donate my corpse to necrophiliacs after I die. Go nuts you guys. Just be sure to see if the cannibals want a slice before you throw the used Me-light in the trash

    • @nl4real
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      The “Vegans are loud and annoying” crowd are more loud and annoying than actual vegans in my personal experience.

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        Often when society had an extreme default position on a topic, its defenders sound batshit insane.

        See:

        • Gay and trans rights
        • Reproductive rights
        • Veganism
        • Unregulated capitalism
        • Homelessness
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        So true. I’m not vegan, but someone proudly yelling about how much meat they eat is so fucking cringe. Very “suck it, libs” mindset.

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        But you probably won’t get called a murderer 20 seconds into the discussion though.

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          You’d be surprised. Both “The farming of your plants kills more animals than livestock raising” and “veganism is genocide because they’ll stop breeding the animals if we stop eating them” unironocally come up almost instantly when I talk about it and I’m not even quite vegan, I just avoid animal products because of allergies to a lot of them…

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      That link is a really cool resource, thanks!

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      It took me a whole 24 hours to realise that the person having a weird, inconsistent, fact-swerving argument with me (about my assertion that most male cattle are killed young for meat) was the original one from the screenshot!

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        My last time talking to them, they were arguing that the use of the word “exploitation” in the vegan society’s definition of veganism simply meant “use” because that’s a thesaurus entry for exploitation. When their argument breaks down they go full on “words are just invented”.

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          21 month ago

          I found the comment chain. Nuts. They always pick and the weirdest stuff to argue over.

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          When their argument breaks down they go full on “words are just invented”.

          that never happened

    • @EfreetSK
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      I’m not even sure if that bingo is supposed to be pro-vegan or anti-vegan …

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        When I was a young vegling, I spent some time doing “outreach” on r/DebateAVegan (air quotes because it often felt about as impactful as having a wank), and you’d see those bingo arguments being used earnestly ALL THE TIME.

        I actually did occasionally get some fairly novel and thought provoking stuff, from time to time, but mostly it was explaining the basics of biology or econ to people like in OP’s example.

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          My main problem is when people are aggressively trying to make me feel guilty about just living.

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          Just curious, does a community like that exist here on lemmy? I do have some questions that aren’t answered by the vegan bingo and would love to ask someone, but going straight to [email protected] feels kinda intrusive

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                Yeah, thank you for the clarification. Re-reading my comment, I realise I didn’t do a very good job of expressing this, as I didn’t mean to imply V@LW was a community for debate. Just that a polite question might be fine there, so long as it comes from a genuine desire to learn, instead of trying to make an opening to disagree.

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      politely raises hand

      While I think factory farming is abhorrent, I find the most compelling reasons to eat plant-based to be the environmental ones. Therefore, I think “I only eat a little bit of meat” is actually a huge positive step someone can take. If your primary concern regarding meat is the cruelty of taking the life of another animal, that’s completely valid, but compared to the others, that square just feels out of place.

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        Unequivocally, yes you are, and at that, you’re one of the most agonizingly stubborn and disinformed ones I’ve ever talked to.

        Edit: Sharing this conversation here in the context of them being banned from /c/vegan so users can understand how completely full of shit this user is (yes, their actual argument they started at /c/vegan is that vegans starting from a position of “humans have rights” is a flawed position to start from and thus invalidates their argument for veganism):

        Conversation between commie and I after they were banned

        Edit 2: Oh, and they have this thing where they like to reply to a single comment with several comments while claiming it’s because they “don’t want to engage in a Gish gallop” (paraphrased), meanwhile facilitating a Gish gallop by making an unfollowable branching tree of comments.

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            31 month ago

            You sure love to argue against points that you perceive as supporting veganism, though!

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                21 month ago

                You sure love to argue against posts that you perceive as supporting veganism. You spent a whole day arguing against “most male cows are killed for meat before adulthood”!

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                    11 month ago

                    The evidence is your post history. You can’t hide your bias behind “you don’t know that”. Yes I do.

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          your link shows the same as the op thread: I’m primarily interested in a factual, scientifically accurate discussion.

          • TheTechnician27
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            My link shows that you’re interested in muddying the waters by either intentionally spreading disinformation or by speaking with absolute confidence about subjects you clearly lack the capacity to understand even the most fundamental principles of.

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                You grasp the subject so much that you’re too fucking stupid to understand the most basic facets of supply and demand that a literal 10-year-old could understand. lmao okay

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                  I’m still unsure whether they actually believe what they are saying makes any kind of sense and could actually be deemed a rational thought or whether they are just pulling our legs. Either way, engaging in any kind of discussion with them should probably just be avoided