It also helps that unlike the R and the C in BRICS, they aren’t imperialists threatening and/or invading their neighbours. Brazil is a good world citizen.
I fully agree that Bolsonaro was a straight up demon, but I also agree with the idea that - currently - the administration of Brazil is probably about as good an example of a good world citizen as it gets
Abso-fucking-lutely not. Fascists would NEVER be able to gain power in a truly democratic society. No ifs, ands or butts.
Fascists are funded into power (and into existence) by CAPITALISTS - adherents to an ideology that is violently incompatible with anything that can be called democratic with a straight face.
Brazil is not a democratic society. It is a (so-called) “liberal democracy” - something that can be more accurately described as 95% capitalism with some fake democracy substitute thrown in as a legitimising measure.
Democracy isn’t a magic anti-fascist spell, sorry to break it to you. If someone can convince enough of the population to elect them, then they get into power, fascist or not.
By your definition, there really hasn’t been a “real” democracy ever, frankly, since it depends on there being a state with no imbalance of wealth whatsoever. If that’s how you want to define it, sure, go ahead, but I’m going to keep using a definition of democracy that’s based on how the institutions of elections and the state are built, because that’s a useful way to discuss political systems, and “democracy is when only leaders I like are elected” is not.
Brazil’s leaders are elected through universal suffrage, its speech and media are (relatively) free, that’s a democracy by any reasonably useful definition. There’s plenty to criticise in how that democracy functions, especially how money and power can influence those outcomes, but there is no perfect democracy, just the best attempts at what people can build within their existing social systems.
Democracy is a political system, while capitalism is an economic system - understanding how they interact with each other is useful and important, but pretending they’re mutually exclusive is unnecessarily reductive, and closes the space to actually discuss those things.
Edit: the mere fact that Bolsonaro attempted to retain power by force, but was unable to do so in the face of losing the election is direct evidence that there are functional democratic institutions in Brazil
Democracy has existed far longer than fascism has… the earliest fascist movements weren’t until the 1910s, while the earliest recorded democracy was around 508 BC, with the earliest recorded usage of the term in the 430s BC. You’re wrong by a margin of millennia
My dear god, this is history fundamentals. And the sheer balls you’ve got to have to be that rude while being just this severely wrong is obscene.
Americans are the most propagandized people on earth. That’s why so many of them insist Russia is still communist, while another crop of them think Joe Biden is communist.
It’s all media slop, in one ear and out the other.
You’re pinning for a system that prevents fascism, but it doesn’t exist. You prevent it through other sociological structures. The method for selecting power can’t do what you want it to do.
But by all means, keep trying to bait people online, I’m sure that helps you somehow.
The old system of using fact-checking agencies was biased, and the content they deemed false had its reach negatively impacted. They were literally the arbiters of truth, and their actions silenced their political opponents’ voices. The new system of Community Notes is superior because it requires approval from people with diverse political alignments to show a fact-check to everyone.
It’s so disappointing. India has a massive tech service industry and could’ve been a force for good, but the government loves their censorship and authoritarianism too much.
because its not a country we’ve flagged as “Evil Enemy Run By Inhuman Savages”.
Unless the subject is Amazon deforestation, in which case we have to stop these inhuman savages from destroying this global patrimony (mine). Please don’t ask who’s buying the cattle and soy being grown there or running the mining companies or where I got all this fertile land.
Reminds me of people who said Amazon deforestation warranted a “military intervention.” Hey, be funny if trumpet added another country to his want-to-invade list, wouldn’t it? Yet folks still feel bothered when I say people in rich countries don’t really care all that much about poorer ones.
Oh yeah, Russia is real good at keeping those tech oligarchs in check /s
BRICS is such a loosely linked group that generalising like that is just never going to be accurate; Indian and South African, for example, policy on tech regulation couldn’t be more different if they tried.
Don’t get me wrong, I think BRICS is a good organisation for economic cooperation between these very diverse countries, but there’s really no common political, social or economic characteristics.
Brazil is a good example of that, because under Bolsonaro, it couldn’t have been more different - regulations on big tech and banning X would never have happened under his tenure (well, at least not with the same goals)
Brazil has been on it lately. At least with sticking it to tech bros
Yeah, they found out they could win, when they stuck it to X and straight up banned them until they complied.
Just like the big tech companies have different ToS for EU consumers.
Mad respect to them, but it should be normal. But it’s not.
Also like California passing public health laws and companies deciding it is easier to comply to the entire U.S. instead of duplicating product lines.
Same State for car emission standards as well. Too bad our cities are shit holes because of all the car infrastructure though.
All the BRICS have. Brazil just stands out, because its not a country we’ve flagged as “Evil Enemy Run By Inhuman Savages”.
It also helps that unlike the R and the C in BRICS, they aren’t imperialists threatening and/or invading their neighbours. Brazil is a good world citizen.
Uhhh, did you forget that Brazil was being run by a fascist war criminal just a short while ago?
And now it isn’t, that’s democracy, baby
I fully agree that Bolsonaro was a straight up demon, but I also agree with the idea that - currently - the administration of Brazil is probably about as good an example of a good world citizen as it gets
Abso-fucking-lutely not. Fascists would NEVER be able to gain power in a truly democratic society. No ifs, ands or butts.
Fascists are funded into power (and into existence) by CAPITALISTS - adherents to an ideology that is violently incompatible with anything that can be called democratic with a straight face.
Brazil is not a democratic society. It is a (so-called) “liberal democracy” - something that can be more accurately described as 95% capitalism with some fake democracy substitute thrown in as a legitimising measure.
That is THE WHOLE POINT of liberalism.
Democracy isn’t a magic anti-fascist spell, sorry to break it to you. If someone can convince enough of the population to elect them, then they get into power, fascist or not.
By your definition, there really hasn’t been a “real” democracy ever, frankly, since it depends on there being a state with no imbalance of wealth whatsoever. If that’s how you want to define it, sure, go ahead, but I’m going to keep using a definition of democracy that’s based on how the institutions of elections and the state are built, because that’s a useful way to discuss political systems, and “democracy is when only leaders I like are elected” is not.
Brazil’s leaders are elected through universal suffrage, its speech and media are (relatively) free, that’s a democracy by any reasonably useful definition. There’s plenty to criticise in how that democracy functions, especially how money and power can influence those outcomes, but there is no perfect democracy, just the best attempts at what people can build within their existing social systems.
Democracy is a political system, while capitalism is an economic system - understanding how they interact with each other is useful and important, but pretending they’re mutually exclusive is unnecessarily reductive, and closes the space to actually discuss those things.
Edit: the mere fact that Bolsonaro attempted to retain power by force, but was unable to do so in the face of losing the election is direct evidence that there are functional democratic institutions in Brazil
Yes it is, genius. THAT IS LITERALLY WHY IT WAS INVENTED.
If power is conveniently centralized for a fascist to take control of, Clyde, IT MEANS YOU NEVER HAD A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY TO START OFF WITH.
How the fuck do you liberals get through the day with all this foaming, nuclear-level incoherence bouncing around inside your heads?
Democracy has existed far longer than fascism has… the earliest fascist movements weren’t until the 1910s, while the earliest recorded democracy was around 508 BC, with the earliest recorded usage of the term in the 430s BC. You’re wrong by a margin of millennia
My dear god, this is history fundamentals. And the sheer balls you’ve got to have to be that rude while being just this severely wrong is obscene.
Americans are the most propagandized people on earth. That’s why so many of them insist Russia is still communist, while another crop of them think Joe Biden is communist.
It’s all media slop, in one ear and out the other.
Save it for the next fascist your (supposedly) “democratic” system siccs on you, liberal.
You’re pinning for a system that prevents fascism, but it doesn’t exist. You prevent it through other sociological structures. The method for selecting power can’t do what you want it to do.
But by all means, keep trying to bait people online, I’m sure that helps you somehow.
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So were lots of countries. At least they learned from their mistake, unlike the US.
If Brazil had learned from it’s mistake it WOULDN’T HAVE ALLOWED A FASCIST INTO POWER, genius.
I meant it in the “fool me once” sense. Americans went for a second helping at the trough of fascism.
The US has been pro-fascist long, long before Mussolini gave it a name.
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The Holocaust was a short while ago, tadpole. Read a history book.
No wonder with all these off-duty cops I keep hearing about.
As long as it keeps censoring its citizens, everthing fine! 🙄
Eh?
Fact checking is censorship apparently.
The old system of using fact-checking agencies was biased, and the content they deemed false had its reach negatively impacted. They were literally the arbiters of truth, and their actions silenced their political opponents’ voices. The new system of Community Notes is superior because it requires approval from people with diverse political alignments to show a fact-check to everyone.
Because remember you need a Nazi and a tankie to agree with facts in order for it to be the real truth.
Sometimes reality doesn’t align with political views. Doesn’t mean it’s not facts
I thought you just believed the opposite of whatever your political adversaries believed, because they were always lying
So you’re set to automatically complain unless the fact-check aligns perfectly with your worldview?
Kind weird to think that’s what’s happening tbh
I think you might be confused. They were talking about a country other than the US. 😂
Not all, India is in BRICS and they are part of the problem in the tech world.
It’s so disappointing. India has a massive tech service industry and could’ve been a force for good, but the government loves their censorship and authoritarianism too much.
The limited view I have into the CEO culture there seems even more toxic than America’s.
Unless the subject is Amazon deforestation, in which case we have to stop these inhuman savages from destroying this global patrimony (mine). Please don’t ask who’s buying the cattle and soy being grown there or running the mining companies or where I got all this fertile land.
Idk which video was, but Brazil tremendously improved on the Amazon deforestation issue. https://youtu.be/6gI-wKbKfeI
Yes, a lot of things changed for the better once they got rid of Bolsonaro
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Aww thank you!
Reminds me of people who said Amazon deforestation warranted a “military intervention.” Hey, be funny if trumpet added another country to his want-to-invade list, wouldn’t it? Yet folks still feel bothered when I say people in rich countries don’t really care all that much about poorer ones.
Oh yeah, Russia is real good at keeping those tech oligarchs in check /s
BRICS is such a loosely linked group that generalising like that is just never going to be accurate; Indian and South African, for example, policy on tech regulation couldn’t be more different if they tried.
Don’t get me wrong, I think BRICS is a good organisation for economic cooperation between these very diverse countries, but there’s really no common political, social or economic characteristics.
Brazil is a good example of that, because under Bolsonaro, it couldn’t have been more different - regulations on big tech and banning X would never have happened under his tenure (well, at least not with the same goals)
Not India afaik
Or south Africa.
It’s not on my 2025 bingo card I’ll admit, but I’m here for it.
And I love them for it.
Truth. Also stop deforestation