This is not leftism. What you’re proposing is just a shiny new liberal party. This hypothetical new party would be subject to the same mechanisms and forces that corrupted the democratic party. Give it 50 years, and we are back at square one: capital will swallow any agency that your proposed party once exhibited.
Decrying actual leftists for not participating in american electoralism that is wholley orchestrated by capital is going to fall on deaf ears. Leftists have no interest in creating a new capitalist party and subsequently refining capitalism.
What are you on about? Democrats, in one of the most embarrassing defeats in recent history, literally just made it clear to the world that they would rather lose than cater to leftists. Biden decided that carrying out genocide in Gaza was more important than defeating Trump.
That’s the usual explanation leftists give. But I’m not sure Democrats should listen to that, either.
Especially since the largest shifts towards Trump in 2024 occurred in the Latino and Gen Z male demographics. Both of them are more centrist than average Democrats, and they are the demographics that Democrats need to win back in 2028.
Do you think any of that loss might have been caused by the Dems declaring a great economy, and telling voters to stop whining, and just vote Blue No Matter Who?
So you’re saying that democrats focused on catering to centrists for 2025, lost spectacularly, and the new strategy needs to be… catering to centrists?
The DNC needs to hire you. Something something, the definition of insanity is…
So, to win, they just need to become a more right wing party? I’m sure that’s a winning strategy… Which it may be. Its certainly not a strategy to represent the working class, though.
Trump agreed with the working class that the economy is in the shitter. He lied about wanting to fix it.
Harris declared anyone who thought the economy was in the shitter was hallucinating, and they just need to shut up, and vote for her, because “I’m not Donald”.
That’s the difference. And Harris’ strategy was a losing one.
No leftist has any illusion on if either oligarch truly wanted to represent us, rather than their actual constituents: other oligarchs.
I suppose that’s a take… I mean, the Dems could of course lie to the working class, just to win votes. Like they did under Obama, Clinton, etc. Or, they could, you know, not lie to the working class, and actually enact change?
This is not leftism. What you’re proposing is just a shiny new liberal party. This hypothetical new party would be subject to the same mechanisms and forces that corrupted the democratic party. Give it 50 years, and we are back at square one: capital will swallow any agency that your proposed party once exhibited.
I really encourage you to do some reading on Marxism and leftism before you throw around the term so carelessly. https://socialistworker.org/2012/07/20/what-is-a-vanguard-party
Decrying actual leftists for not participating in american electoralism that is wholley orchestrated by capital is going to fall on deaf ears. Leftists have no interest in creating a new capitalist party and subsequently refining capitalism.
Then I was right. Leftists don’t want to win elections.
But Democrats do. So why should Democrats listen to leftists?
What are you on about? Democrats, in one of the most embarrassing defeats in recent history, literally just made it clear to the world that they would rather lose than cater to leftists. Biden decided that carrying out genocide in Gaza was more important than defeating Trump.
That’s the usual explanation leftists give. But I’m not sure Democrats should listen to that, either.
Especially since the largest shifts towards Trump in 2024 occurred in the Latino and Gen Z male demographics. Both of them are more centrist than average Democrats, and they are the demographics that Democrats need to win back in 2028.
Do you think any of that loss might have been caused by the Dems declaring a great economy, and telling voters to stop whining, and just vote Blue No Matter Who?
I don’t know.
But I do know who Democrats need to win back if they want to win in 2028. And those voters are mostly centrists.
Im dying to know: what sort of voters do you think democrats were focusing on grabbing for this past election?
Centrists. The ones who decided this election. And also decided the 2020 election.
So you’re saying that democrats focused on catering to centrists for 2025, lost spectacularly, and the new strategy needs to be… catering to centrists?
The DNC needs to hire you. Something something, the definition of insanity is…
So, by “centrist” you mean Reich Wingers?
So, to win, they just need to become a more right wing party? I’m sure that’s a winning strategy… Which it may be. Its certainly not a strategy to represent the working class, though.
Ah yes, the centrists! You know the ones who “both sides” everything, and turns out? They just vote Trump?
How many more centrists do you think the Dems will need to court? Wasn’t Dick Cheney enough? You know, the war criminal?
How about, like, maybe just trying to listen to the working class?
Maybe to avoid losing presidential elections?
Just an idea…
If leftists ever won a presidential election, then they might have useful advice to others who wanted to do the same.
But they never have, and apparently they don’t even want to.
So, no interest in trying to represent the working class…
And also wondering why you think they deserve to win…
If leftists think Trump best listens to the working class, then leftists should start advising Republicans instead of Democrats.
Trump agreed with the working class that the economy is in the shitter. He lied about wanting to fix it.
Harris declared anyone who thought the economy was in the shitter was hallucinating, and they just need to shut up, and vote for her, because “I’m not Donald”.
That’s the difference. And Harris’ strategy was a losing one.
No leftist has any illusion on if either oligarch truly wanted to represent us, rather than their actual constituents: other oligarchs.
So lying to the working class is your winning strategy.
Thanks, Lenin.
I suppose that’s a take… I mean, the Dems could of course lie to the working class, just to win votes. Like they did under Obama, Clinton, etc. Or, they could, you know, not lie to the working class, and actually enact change?