The problem isn’t just re-joining the eu. New contracts would be formed that would be far less advantageous for Britain than they previously had. Which would start this whole circus again :(
I honestly think that’s very wrong and one of the last brexiteer arguments that still seems to be believed by reasonable people.
Under the old terms, the UK was one of the largest net contributors to the EU. And also one of the countries absorbing the most immigrants. In fact, the exemptions they got were all quite reasonable.
Without the exemptions, the UK would have been an even bigger net contributor and would have had even more immigrants.
Just from pure self-interest, the EU would be foolish to demand more than the old terms. In fact, with smart negotiating, I am sure the UK could get even more exemptions than they used to have.
And we, the EU, know this. The war in Ukraine is expensive af. The UK is already helping above and beyond what we could expect from them.
The EU economy isn’t doing all too great either.
The mutual benefits of the UK rejoining will be billions if not trillions of extra economic output on both sides. It would be billions extra budget for the EU.
Why would we drive a hard bargain to squeeze out the Brits?
Friendly terms that make the British politicians look good and that make the UK public feel like winners and which provide direct short term economic benefits are the way to do it.
Unfortunately it is highly unlikely. The EU would not be being punitive in requiring the UK to play by the same rules as everyone else, it would be playing by its own rules and being fair.
They require countries to join the eurozone when ready and they require signing up to the common agricultural policy etc. Member states that did not get to opt out or rebates would not be willing to allow a new member to have those benefits and any country can veto a country joining. It could only be on the same terms as everyone else.
I dont see the UK rejoining for a generation. The Euro, the CAP and immigration remain highly toxic topics in the UK and would derail any attempt to rejoin.
Also leaving the EU has not been as harmful as we thought. Im not saying its been a positive thing but it hasn’t been anywhere as disasterous was being made out on the remain side of the debate. A reduction in growth while the economy is still growing is not being felt by people. Covid also massively muddied the water - some of the side effects of leaving have been attributed in peoples minds to the pandemic instead.
And the biggest issues in the UK - public services and immigration - have little to nothing to do with the EU. So its just not part of the mainstream political discourse 9 years after the vote.
Without the exemptions, the UK would have been an even bigger net contributor and would have had even more immigrants.
When a new country joins the union there’s always a grace period where countries can say “freedom of movement doesn’t apply to them, yet”. This is to avoid migration waves while still kinda poor countries catch up in terms of living standards when then reduce migration rates naturally.
The UK never made use of that. Westminster never used the mechanisms the EU gave them to control the flow of immigration. So, kindly, fuck off with your bollocks. This is precisely the kind of thing why the rest of the EU is apprehensive of the UK rejoining. The rest of Europe doesn’t like to play scapegoat for Etonians.
In my small village of the Netherlands there are graves of RAF pilots. And in NATO, we are still allies.
My wife made scones and lemon curd this weekend.
My favourite heat pump geek (urban plumbers on youtube) is a Polish guy living and working in the UK.
All these attempts by people trying to divide Europeans are pathetic. It’s sad that many people fall for it, because we share a culture and a history.
The UK rejoining the EU in some shape or form (perhaps the EEA) is just a matter of time. Same with Ukraine.
And personally, I think we should already start planning on how to form strategic defense and trade alliances with Turkey, Egypt and a post-Putin Russia. That will solidify a peaceful and prosperous 21st century in Europe and West-Asia.
Nah, it means the UK wouldn’t rejoin. Voters wouldn’t vote for joining the EU if that meant the Euro and the common agricultural policy and so on. The question will not even be asked for a generation as its so toxic and divisve.
The EU needs to stop worrying about the UK and focus on its own problems. If i were still an EU citizen I’d be far more bothered by the behaviour of Hungary, the rise of the AFD in Germany and the chances of Le Pen being French president. The EU doesn’t seem well equipped for those problems. The UK is not the EUs problem.
The EU doesn’t even think that much anymore about the UK. And the UK isn’t that important anymore, and they struggle to accept that. Maybe they should focus on getting basic utilities working again for their citizens (like Water and Health) and less about telling everyone how great they are.
If you leave the bigger London Area, most parts of Eastern Europe look more prosperous and advanced
This time, however, the right-wing ones are taking place in America and the UK… The exit from the EU has helped the right so much to weaken democracy in the West… then in combination with Trump… the beginning of the trade war… bringing more and more people closer to the right.
You mention AfD and Co? Look at how broken and corrupt systems in US and UK are first
Well im not sure that is correct for the UK. The right wing Reform got 5 seats out of 650. The right wing conservatives vote collapsed and we have a large Labour majority.
So the right wing are not breaking through in the UK at the moment; if anything they have been pushed back and largely because of the incompetency and corruption of the Conservatives.
That may change - it is a constant battle - but the UK is not in the hands of authoritarian regime unlike the US. We certainly could do with electoral reform but for the next 5 years things internally are stable.
Meanwhile France is in crisis with parliament split in thirds between left, right and centre and no obvious candidate to stand against Le pen. And in Germany AFD keeps progressing gaining seats in regional elections. The german federal government is weak and unpopular, woth a perfect opportunity for extreme parties like AFD to make in roads.
And Hungary is already in the EU, and the EU has been unable to stop its descent into authoritarianism. Orban is nothing short of a trumpian dictator.
Honestly if you’re in the EU I think you need to wake up to the threats around you. I honestly dont know how the EU will deal with these threats - the dangers are very real and very concerning. You already have a wolf in the sheep pen with Orban; he will undermine effective responses to Trump and can block meaningful change in the EU.
It’s not just Hungary. Just look at Romania’s latest statement to divide up Ukraine, does Romania also want a piece of…
I come from Germany and democracy has already fallen. The EU is fucked, I’m not saying anything against that.
It wasn’t the EU that got the ball rolling. It was the hostile behavior of the US and UK. Officially, right-wing extremism doesn’t lead in your country… but it’s already everywhere in sheep’s clothing. BTW UK is so disgusting when it comes to surveillance etc of its own population… Hitler would have been happy about such a system.
The problem isn’t just re-joining the eu. New contracts would be formed that would be far less advantageous for Britain than they previously had. Which would start this whole circus again :(
This whole thing was so predictable even to high school me, it’s ridiculous.
I’m one of those morons who thought it was such a sure thing, we’d obviously stay that I was “too busy” to vote. Nothing but regret
I fucking hate past you, but respect current you
Still better than being alone
I honestly think that’s very wrong and one of the last brexiteer arguments that still seems to be believed by reasonable people.
Under the old terms, the UK was one of the largest net contributors to the EU. And also one of the countries absorbing the most immigrants. In fact, the exemptions they got were all quite reasonable.
Without the exemptions, the UK would have been an even bigger net contributor and would have had even more immigrants.
Just from pure self-interest, the EU would be foolish to demand more than the old terms. In fact, with smart negotiating, I am sure the UK could get even more exemptions than they used to have.
And we, the EU, know this. The war in Ukraine is expensive af. The UK is already helping above and beyond what we could expect from them. The EU economy isn’t doing all too great either.
The mutual benefits of the UK rejoining will be billions if not trillions of extra economic output on both sides. It would be billions extra budget for the EU.
Why would we drive a hard bargain to squeeze out the Brits?
Friendly terms that make the British politicians look good and that make the UK public feel like winners and which provide direct short term economic benefits are the way to do it.
Unfortunately it is highly unlikely. The EU would not be being punitive in requiring the UK to play by the same rules as everyone else, it would be playing by its own rules and being fair.
They require countries to join the eurozone when ready and they require signing up to the common agricultural policy etc. Member states that did not get to opt out or rebates would not be willing to allow a new member to have those benefits and any country can veto a country joining. It could only be on the same terms as everyone else.
I dont see the UK rejoining for a generation. The Euro, the CAP and immigration remain highly toxic topics in the UK and would derail any attempt to rejoin.
Also leaving the EU has not been as harmful as we thought. Im not saying its been a positive thing but it hasn’t been anywhere as disasterous was being made out on the remain side of the debate. A reduction in growth while the economy is still growing is not being felt by people. Covid also massively muddied the water - some of the side effects of leaving have been attributed in peoples minds to the pandemic instead.
And the biggest issues in the UK - public services and immigration - have little to nothing to do with the EU. So its just not part of the mainstream political discourse 9 years after the vote.
When a new country joins the union there’s always a grace period where countries can say “freedom of movement doesn’t apply to them, yet”. This is to avoid migration waves while still kinda poor countries catch up in terms of living standards when then reduce migration rates naturally.
The UK never made use of that. Westminster never used the mechanisms the EU gave them to control the flow of immigration. So, kindly, fuck off with your bollocks. This is precisely the kind of thing why the rest of the EU is apprehensive of the UK rejoining. The rest of Europe doesn’t like to play scapegoat for Etonians.
It’s funny how such a small amount of text can fill somebody with so much hope. Thank you stranger for bringing a little light :)
We’re not strangers, we’re Europeans.
In my small village of the Netherlands there are graves of RAF pilots. And in NATO, we are still allies.
My wife made scones and lemon curd this weekend.
My favourite heat pump geek (urban plumbers on youtube) is a Polish guy living and working in the UK.
All these attempts by people trying to divide Europeans are pathetic. It’s sad that many people fall for it, because we share a culture and a history.
The UK rejoining the EU in some shape or form (perhaps the EEA) is just a matter of time. Same with Ukraine.
And personally, I think we should already start planning on how to form strategic defense and trade alliances with Turkey, Egypt and a post-Putin Russia. That will solidify a peaceful and prosperous 21st century in Europe and West-Asia.
Nah, it means the UK wouldn’t rejoin. Voters wouldn’t vote for joining the EU if that meant the Euro and the common agricultural policy and so on. The question will not even be asked for a generation as its so toxic and divisve.
The EU needs to stop worrying about the UK and focus on its own problems. If i were still an EU citizen I’d be far more bothered by the behaviour of Hungary, the rise of the AFD in Germany and the chances of Le Pen being French president. The EU doesn’t seem well equipped for those problems. The UK is not the EUs problem.
The EU doesn’t even think that much anymore about the UK. And the UK isn’t that important anymore, and they struggle to accept that. Maybe they should focus on getting basic utilities working again for their citizens (like Water and Health) and less about telling everyone how great they are.
If you leave the bigger London Area, most parts of Eastern Europe look more prosperous and advanced
This time, however, the right-wing ones are taking place in America and the UK… The exit from the EU has helped the right so much to weaken democracy in the West… then in combination with Trump… the beginning of the trade war… bringing more and more people closer to the right. You mention AfD and Co? Look at how broken and corrupt systems in US and UK are first
Well im not sure that is correct for the UK. The right wing Reform got 5 seats out of 650. The right wing conservatives vote collapsed and we have a large Labour majority.
So the right wing are not breaking through in the UK at the moment; if anything they have been pushed back and largely because of the incompetency and corruption of the Conservatives.
That may change - it is a constant battle - but the UK is not in the hands of authoritarian regime unlike the US. We certainly could do with electoral reform but for the next 5 years things internally are stable.
Meanwhile France is in crisis with parliament split in thirds between left, right and centre and no obvious candidate to stand against Le pen. And in Germany AFD keeps progressing gaining seats in regional elections. The german federal government is weak and unpopular, woth a perfect opportunity for extreme parties like AFD to make in roads.
And Hungary is already in the EU, and the EU has been unable to stop its descent into authoritarianism. Orban is nothing short of a trumpian dictator.
Honestly if you’re in the EU I think you need to wake up to the threats around you. I honestly dont know how the EU will deal with these threats - the dangers are very real and very concerning. You already have a wolf in the sheep pen with Orban; he will undermine effective responses to Trump and can block meaningful change in the EU.
It’s not just Hungary. Just look at Romania’s latest statement to divide up Ukraine, does Romania also want a piece of… I come from Germany and democracy has already fallen. The EU is fucked, I’m not saying anything against that. It wasn’t the EU that got the ball rolling. It was the hostile behavior of the US and UK. Officially, right-wing extremism doesn’t lead in your country… but it’s already everywhere in sheep’s clothing. BTW UK is so disgusting when it comes to surveillance etc of its own population… Hitler would have been happy about such a system.