Basically I’m looking for a heterodox political lemmy community where moderate opinions are valued and the level of discourse is pretty good. Where people are there to talk and there’s not as much venting.
From what I’ve seen so far, lemmy is pretty radical left. I doubt you’ll find folks saying anything good about moderate opinions.
I consider myself pretty far left and I find a lot of people here both insufferable and unable to hold a discussion without insults. And that’s coming from people to the left of me.
It’s hard, and I’m quickly going back to not talking about politics online. I’d hoped Lemmy would be a little better.
It also annoys me to no end that I have to defend Biden from people who have no political perspective.
Like the crime bill they attack him for that passed both houses with large bipartisan support.
It means NOTHING to retrospectively say the country was on a wrong path. He can’t fix having done that, he can only do better. And by my liberal standards he’s done fine.
So apparently this almost socialist is a moderate here. What the hell?
Yep. It’s quite frustrating, because I want to support the concept of the community and what it supports tech-wise, but frequently I find myself clicking off the site because I’ve seen something political so eye-rollingly crazy I don’t feel like sticking around.
I consider myself pretty far left and I find a lot of people here both insufferable and unable to hold a discussion without insults. And that’s coming from people to the left of me.
I’m a mod on Politics and World News. Every day it’s one slapfight or shit storm or another.
Then I just retreat to Comic Books and relax. :)
I was in an argument on lemmy.ml the other day and didn’t realize. (Not even lemmygrad.)
They were saying the US must drop charges against Assange because First Amendment.
I was arguing that’s a legal defense to present in court and got down voted and eventually deleted.
Like what, you think you can whine at a government enough and then they’ll just ignore their entire legal system?
They want what they want and they want it yesterday, damnit!
The thing I didn’t know at first is that the reason it’s lemmy.ml is because they wanted to be up front that it’s “Marxist/Leninist”.
I don’t think they’re as overtly tankie as lemmygrad or beehaw, but, yeah… it’s kind of baked in.
I fucking hate all these trendy uses of country codes. I just assumed it was based out of Malaysia or something.
I’ve also noticed that users of shit.just.works are apolitical assholes, which belies that they aren’t apolitical in the first place. And it’s a stupid name.
Edit: I didn’t mean for that to link.
Mali, not Malaysia. Malaysia is .my.
Yeah. Asking for moderate political discussion on Lemmy is like going to the model train expo and asking where the spot for G.I. Joe’s is. It’s a pretty unapologetically hard left site
Well, you could make one.
I think that unless you come up with some sort of very-well-selected moderation rules, though, you’re gonna tend to wind up with either an echo chamber or people getting upset.
heterodox political lemmy community where moderate opinions are valued
Aren’t those requirements definitionally exclusive?
You’re looking for a unorthodox political community, but one that favours orthodox opinions?
Heterodox, not unorthodox.
There can be no moderate agenda during a crisis.
Once we eliminate the extremists and extremist agendas, then we can return to moderate views being useful.
Or if the extremists prevail, then there will still be no moderate platform possible.
What counts as moderate?
Whatever most people in real life would say is moderate.
I not only haven’t seen such a thing on Lemmy - I haven’t seen such a thing on the internet as a whole for at least 20 years or so.
Gone are the days when reasonable people could discuss and debate issues. Now it’s just shallow, virtue-signaling dogmatists crashing around hurling rhetoric, fallacies, and cant in the general direction of anyone who bears a passing resemblance to their sworn enemies.
I would love such a thing, but you will only find echo chambers and snark.
One of the great tragedies of our time that people can’t have dissenting views and still be civil.
really depends on what “dissenting views” means to you, though, doesn’t it?
It really does.
I try to be calm and provide supporting evidence as well as agree with the people I’m disagreeing with when I can.
I don’t get many replies. Just downvotes, which is annoying as I really do want discussion.
Nah I think dissenting is pretty clear. If two people disagree then they have dissenting views.
There’s a big difference between “Well I see your point and think you’re ignoring x/y/z.” and “LMAO GFY.”
Honestly when people use lol or any derivative in political discussions I just block now.
Ok but theres a huge difference between a disagreement on precise tax brackets and a disagreement on racial superiority. Some opinions should be met with hostility
