From the little I’ve seen of discussions, it depends on the implementation. I haven’t looked at the details yet, but apparently there are some groups who require at least an initial animal biopsy, and I think someone said something about some growth mediums requiring animal exploitation as well.

Then there’s the animal testing side of things.

Since both health and animal rights matter to me, I have no interest in consuming the stuff. If a commercially viable company emerges that can make these meats without any animal exploitation or suffering though, then I might recommend them to others.

I respect this position.

At a certain point I wonder if it will start to seem similar to what I say to anti-choicers (specifically the ones who believe killing an embryo is murder) about drugs developed using embryonic stem cell channels. If years from now they’re still growing off of an initial biopsy taken years before, then the initial harm done is surely outweighed by the harm reduction that came from it. That is to say, a reduction in factory farming and animal slaughter is worth a biopsy. Or even an initial slaughter.

Just like I would encourage my anti-choice family members to get their vaccines and continue to take ibuprofen (and basically every other drug, because most use stem cell lines in their development), I would encourage vegans and vegetarians at the very least not to oppose lab grown meat. But of course you can eat whatever you want.

(Obviously I am not saying you have to agree with me, this is just where I might fall depending on the realities that are eventually reached with lab-grown meat.)

Reversing that, is LQBTIA+ a communist plot to make western companies have less profit?

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Tofu is made essentially the same way cheese curds are made, but using beans instead of dairy. It produces the iconic brick of compressed bean protein (and sometimes calcium depending on what catalyst is used). It’s existed for something like 2000 years, and Ben Franklin may have played a role in bringing it to the US.

TVP is very different. It involves using solvents like hexane to remove most everything from the bean except the protein, and generally results in small amorphous chunks of material, or even tiny bits that are used as an alternative to ground up muscle tissues.

Cloned cells is lab meat. The cells are tossed into shape by settling onto a natural scaffolding… natural as in 3D printed shapes or preexisting shapes like bleached cabbage. I do enjoy some lab grown meat but I do think that having a bowl of beans is way safer.

More recently, mycelium based proteins edged seitan out, and they have a better texture, in my opinion.

Plus it doesn’t sit in your stomach like a bag of rocks!

That’s good to know. I usually just have beans but if I want to eat something that feels like meat I use that. Mushrooms are good too in the feels like meat but different department.

https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/chicken

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9495152/

https://www.mdpi.com/2304-8158/13/6/845

My aunt had helicobacter for years. Not a joke.

Apart from that we got lovely H5N1 which has an easy game on poultry farms on animals with weakened immune systems and is bound to break out or mutate if not the whole flock is culled. It’s killed people and some virus could emerge when human and avian flu viruses join forces. It’s ravaging in non-avian wildlife and even a polar-bear currently. All this screams next novel pandemic.

And stuff like this that sure will effect human health in some way. Those behaviours are deliberate. It’s a ruthless industry.

Not the person you’re asking, but I’m guessing it’s about the belief that eating red meat especially is unhealthy and some people then apply that to all meats.

I believe this stems from the studies that show meat eaters (e.g. average person) is generally unhealthier that someone following a strict vegetarian/vegan diet. This ofcourse doesn’t take into account the fact that the average person eats lots of other stuff too that the health consciouss person doesn’t and there’s usually vast differences in general lifestyle too such as amount of exercise, sleep, smoking etc.

If you ask me what’s bad about a chicken sandwich I’d say the sandwich itself.

Red meat from cows or other such murdered animals can lead you to have gout problems and other such autoimmune issues.

That said, chicken the lesser evil. I used to eat chicken every day. However I learned how chicken are grown. They are basically bags of fat packed with antibiotics. If you love getting sick and fat, that’s the way to go. Specially the Costco roasted…yeah get some of that extra juicy crispiness.

When they grow the baby chicken, they are sorted in big machines by people. The males are tossed into the grinding part of the machine. The females are gently tossed into cartons for the egg laying and murder meat industry. So most male chicken see life for a few days before being grounded into McDonald’s chicken flavored pink slime stuff. Or probably they are mixed in with corn and fed back into the chicken… mother lays egg, has Chick 🐣🐥 and then is forced to eat it so you can get eggs. But I bet some is fed to other animals. I bet chicken eat other animal meat too.