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Dealers will install a tube to let gasoline flow away from hot surfaces to the ground below the vehicle.
Let’s just throw it on the ground, definitely a better solution than making sure it won’t leak
Let’s just throw it on the ground, definitely a
bettercheaper solution than making sure it won’t leakFixed it for you.
Happy Birthday to the ground!
That’s not my mom, that’s a cell phone!
Patrick foretold!
“We take this thing here… and push it all the way over here.”
Internalize profits, externalize costs
They’re not fixing the leaks, they’re making the car detect when it starts spraying gasoline inside the engine compartment so it will enter limp mode before a fire starts.
The driver can then push their disabled car to the side of the road, and assuming they weren’t killed in traffic, then Ford will replace the faulty injector.
So they’re making the “Found On Road Dead” joke a reality?
Fix Or Repair Daily would be more profitable. What are they, stupid?
I always thought it was Fix Or Replace Daily?
Fix & Repair are kinda the same thing…?
Limp mode still let’s you drive, it just reduces max revs and power.
Are you sure? It’sa Ford after all. Limp mode could mean a hammer drops from under the dash, smashes one of your knees, and puts you in limp mode.
"Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one.
Woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn’t believe.
Woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one."
You know what doesn’t leak gas from fuel injectors onto hot engine surfaces?
EVs. Just saying.
And yes, I know, you’ll show me videos of piece of shit Teslas catching fire, as if that makes such problems equal to something like this.
Battery fires are significantly worse than combustion engine fires, that’s not unique to Teslas. I like EVs but let’s not pretend they’re fireproof.
They’re also much less frequent.
There’s a lot less EV’s.
Most car fires I’ve put out are due to electrical shorts. Not a fuel leak. The last fuel caused one I put out (and I haven’t extinguished many over the years. Maybe 5 fuel related ones in the past 15 years) was a classic muscle car that the owner had just recently put a new engine into. He didn’t tighten the fuel line down enough and it popped off.
They’re a lot less frequent proportionately. Not just by absolute numbers.
Also leaking fuel ignition is not the only way ICE vehicles can catch fire.
Proportionally because all the evs are essentially less than 10 years old, while even just the average ice vehicle is well over that?
You’re right about one thing. There are other ways ice vehicles catch fire besides leaky fuel systems. Like the electrical system that short out. Hmmm…I wonder if EV’s have much of an electrical system?
Seriously, though. That’s pretty much all vehicle caused fires. Electrical short or fuel leak in the engine compartment. You can get brake systems that cause it on trailers and commercial vehicles, but that doesn’t really happen on passenger vehicles very often at all, and could happen on an ev just the same anyhow.
Nobody is pretending they’re fireproof.
Ba dum dum tshh
A gasoline fire can be put out with about a thousand gallons of water. A lithium battery in an electric car can take 3,000-5,000 gallons of water to put out. There have been cases of wrecked Teslas reigniting at scrap yards weeks after they were destroyed.
they gotta start taking the batteries out of them before scrapping them, probably with mandatory recycling. also hot take all cars should have a public transit and protected bike lane tax applied to them
I think it already is supposed to be mandatory before crushing them.
Most wrecked cars generally get parted out before recycled/crushed and shredded. Taking the battery out is also a huge pita. That’s what shouldn’t be allowed. Batteries need to be much more easily replaceable than they are.
You’d think we’d have a better solution for extinguishing this by now. Solid state batteries can’t get here fast enough.
The same thing that makes lithium good for batteries also makes it good for burning for days at a time and reigniting randomly
That’s kinda true, in a sense that all batteries use a chemical reaction to generate electricity and a damaged battery can short and thus ignite arbitrarily. But there’s lithium-based batteries like LiFePo₄ that burn significantly less intensely if at all; and there’s lab-only chemistries that are non-flammable. So it’s not really because of the lithium specifically that they burn so well.
If EV fires take 3-5x as much water to put out, but ICE vehicles catch fire 30x more often as EVs, is that really so bad?
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Teslas are a bad example anyway.
EVs are definitely the way to go here… just not a fucking tesla.
Unless salt water gets to them
GDI engines that need to run the fuel to the injectors at over 2,000 psi is just stupid. Using that much pressure for such a marginal gain in efficiency from other engines that only need like 50 psi.
2,000 psi is like a guarantee that at some point in that vehicles life there’s going to be fuel leaks and problems. Ever see a firetruck shooting that giant stream of water from the end of its ladder? That’s only 80 psi.
Direct injected cars are nothing new. Diesels run their injectors much higher than 2000psi for hundreds of thousands kilometers. Ford is just shit at engineering.
Don’t try and bring diesel into this. They’re pretty different. It also doesn’t cause nearly the fire risk when they leak some fuel.
Also, they absolutely leak fuel. I’ve seen loads of diesels with fuel leaks (I drive a lot of diesels for work). But like I said, them leaking a bit isn’t really a cause to sound the alarm bells for a fire, cause diesel fuel isn’t a risk like that.
High pressure side leaks? If a common rail diesel has a high pressure leak the engine will most likely shut down due to pressure loss.
Not sure why you’re downvoted. They can’t open the injectors without enough pressure.
Right, and on newer emissions systems the engines use the high pressure to help with more complete combustion allowing for lower soot, meaning less DPF issues. While this does cause higher NOx , we are able to clean it up with SCR and flowing more DEF. Ford is being lazy on this, but the issue is not high pressure. I also understand the differences between gasoline and diesel, and again, Ford could develope a system that does not fail, and then dumps gasoline on the ground hahaha. I’m saying this as a master diesel engine tech with 12 years of experience. I’m not rooting my own horn, but just letting people know I do have industry experience.
HD diesel engines run at 29k psi without issues
Fuel isn’t gas.
What do you mean? Gas is a type of fuel…
Gas is a type of fuel…
And squares are a type of rectangle, but rectangles aren’t all squares.
Diesel fuel isn’t gasoline. They have different properties and Diesel isn’t nearly as flammable.
Just because it’s not nearly as flammable doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have the exam inherent risks especially when you end up having it come out under high pressure it’s going to try an atomize into a fine spray it most certainly can be a fire risk.
Yes. There are huge risks. I have seen several diesel powered class 8 trucks burn and catch fire due to fuel leaks. It’s not very common at all, but it does happen. Ford is not fixing the issue when they could. The fuel system probably needs to be re engineered, but high pressure is not the issue
Inflammable means flammable? What a country!
But diesel isn’t a type of gas, so you can be a bit ambiguous calling gas “fuel”, you can’t call diesel “gas”.
I never called diesel gas… I called it diesel.
ah yes. Ford and saving money and fires…
The article says that this is an extension of a recall from 2022 for the same problem, and that Ford says replacement parts are available, but its odd to me that they wouldn’t just replace them. I guess we’re still on risk calculation vs people freaking over a known reason that their car could catch on fire
Yes. Human lives are just another data point for these companies.
If it’s cheaper to have people die than to make things safely, we all know what they’re going to do.
The solution is to create penalties that outweigh the profits.
Wouldn’t the solution be corporations equally owned by the workers?
People don’t pay enough attention or shit like this would kill brands
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Me (while reading about the “fix” in the article): That’s just a Band-aid!
The article:
Michael Brooks, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety, called Ford’s remedy for the fuel leaks a “Band-aid type recall” and said the company is trying to avoid the cost of repairing the fuel injectors.
Me: That’s what I just said!
This is why you don’t buy Ford. Never buy a GM product, either.
Ok. Alpha Romeo it is
A Chrysler? How is that better?
All Stellantis are grade B cars, like if you compare an Acer laptop with a Dell laptop.
It’s Fiat
Excuse me.? That’s some of the best Italian engineering right there.
Isn’t Italian engineering an oxymoron?
The Stelvio and Giulia are really nice and surprisingly reliable, for what they are.
Found the LFS user
“But remedy won’t fix leaks.”
That pretty much makes it not a fucking remedy!
Ford Pinto!
Now now, don’t leave out the Bobcat.
Can we just recall all gas SUV’s?
Do not buy American cars.
I honestly don’t know the reason, but they have made hot garbage for over 2 decades.
The interiors look like prison cells and the QA is nonexistent.
Don’t forget the 90s hot garbage.
GM had a recall on their Epsilon extended platform that didn’t fix the problem either. Wires would corrode due to no seals and proximity to HVAC. Safety systems would go off line, brake lights would get stuck on. A Colorado woman actually drove off a mountain because of this defect.
Still not fixed to this day, as the correct fix would involve replacing a computer module in millions of cars with one that has a weathertight interface. US automakers always get the laziest of passes.
Does widdle baby American corporations need the bail out bottle?
Smells like no one changed the diaper after decades of the US auto industry sitting it’s pants.
