@SocialistMMA
How are these people not embarrassed they voted for Biden? That they used their giant platform to advocate voting for a murderer
Now these Dem ops like Hasan going to make posts like this all the way until November until he votes for Biden and tells his audience to do so again
How do anyone take these clowns seriously?
Source: https://twitter.com/SocialistMMA/status/1785636121025593748
I would have taken a bit more time when posting this type of meme…
Do not get me wrong liberals will forsure upvote it, lemmy tends to seem liberal/conservative (obama/biden types).
Let us not forget how people acted when Trump was in power. Biden is the president, no need to act like he has no power.
Biden has no power over state police officers. Stop pretending he does.
No one is pretending on anything…
I would suggest to stop pretending that being the President of the United States has little to no power…
Do you know how US politics work, you can use your influence to change how things are, influence is one of the major benefits of being president…
So, hey. I think you’re a good person. That being said, I would very much like for you to tell me how the president of the US can control the actions of a particular state’s police via policy ahead of an unknown incident. A good example of this would be: how would Biden have prevented Missouri police from beating a particular professor to the point that he suffered broken ribs and a broken hand during a protest in 2024? Is there some policy he could have pushed through congress, or some executive order he could have effected that would have prevented that? Please tell us what he could have done to prevent it, and if it is a very obvious thing, which candidate for president in 2020 that would have obviously taken those steps in Biden’s stead.
I appreciate your attention to this matter! Us completely uninformed voters are grateful to your wisdom!
Voting for Biden does not in any way mean you like Biden. It just jeans you think the alternative is even worse.
Not sure how you let yourleft fall into the same old trap.
Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil.
The duopoly will always say the other side is worse, just by looking at the past decades and what was said about blue/red team presidents.
So what do you suggest? Let Trump win and watch the whole thing go to shit? Do you really think something better will rise from the ruins? Do you want to live through the downfall?
Trump will most likely win, no need to pretend that Biden will win, just by looking at the recent data from the past few months.
This is the DNC and Democrats fault, no one to blame but those in power.
3rd party voters will vote, if no 3rd party options are possible we can just sit it out like many other Americans happily do.
Not sure if you notice what is currently going on with the current admin, under Bidens watch, we are in three additional wars (one being ghost war) and much more conflicts have arisen over the world while Biden is in Power.
I know the presidents and politicians are just puppets paid for by the owner class, but pushing against the status quo can be done if they want to keep some of the working class votes.
People need to keep being criticial of gov’t and people with influence/power, even if the person in power is not Trump.
That’s a lot of words you used, and precisely 0 of them addressed the topic you were responding to.
Pretty sure I answered the questions.
Vote 3rd party.
Trump will win in 2024, looking at the current data from past month…
Continue to follow this mantra even if Trump/Biden is in power:
We should focus our actions, time, and resources on Direct Action, Mutual Aid, and Community Outreach. If you do engage in Electoral Politics do not support the Duopoly (Red or Blue Team). No War but Class War!
So you want to watch the world burn. Right. Gotcha.
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- buring -> burning
For some the world is already burning.
We are living through history, a current genocide is being shown minute by minute on social media…
Long term goals and being hopeful helps keep a strong mental health!
I hope this helps you understand a different side of politics, in which you might not be used to seeing!
I would like to ask you to do a little bit of critical analysis for a minute. How many times have voting 3rd party worked in American elections? There have been quite a lot of elections for US presidents over the years. Surely voting 3rd party should have worked some of those times. How many of them have been won by 3rd party candidates?
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Pretty sure I answered the questions.
You did not. The main question(s) were “So what do you suggest? Let Trump win and watch the whole thing go to shit?”
Your response did nothing to respond to those questions. You provided no suggestions, and you took Trump winning for a given, without giving any thought whatsoever to the possibility that he might not win, and what to do to prevent him from winning.
I know you have a brain in there somewhere. You seem to provide no indication that it’s actually functioning correctly, however.
I really don’t understand this particular style of objection. It seems like you think that voting for Biden automatically means that stuff like this will happen, and that voting for anybody else would have meant that it wouldn’t. So this means that you think that the president of the US has the wherewithal to halt the systemic violence of police, and that one of the possible candidates for president would have used said wherewithal to actually accomplish that over the objections of congress and local authority.
Ok. So we’re officially in fantasy land now. Tell me: who do you think would fit that role? Seriously - I want you to actually think about this and tell me who, in your infinite wisdom, would have been the choice candidate (who was actually running in the general election) in 2020 that would have had the ability to prevent something like this occurring.
Also, I would very much like you to tell me how any of the candidates running in 2020 would not have provided aid to Israel, even in the face of their ongoing genocide of the Palestinians. Please, I would love for you to tell me this.
The truth is, there is no candidate running in 2020 that would have accomplished these things. I get that you’re angry that there is evil in the world that people absolutely can do things about but are choosing not to, but living in a fantasy land where those heroes and saviors actually have a shot at becoming president does nobody any favors. Those of us who live in the actual real world try to vote for the people who have a shot at being a bit less evil than their opponents.
First statement is wrong off the bat. Trump was the one that was going to destroy US democracy, but as we can tell Biden/Trump have more alike than different. They are the duopoly that keep the status quo.
I am not sure of preventing it, due to protests being a right we all should have, but Jill Stein or anyone outside the duopoly would be an improvement.
I would say Bernie Sanders/AOC, but as we all now know, they sold out a while ago…
Jill Stein is a jewish candidate for 2024, this is just one known person that is actively involved in the protest and has spoken out against the genocide.
I am not angry, I am excited, just seeing Gen Z and how people are fighting for a change to the status quo is making many on the far left and other political leanings very hopeful!
I strive for closer to a revolution but that will most likely not happen, due to our police state and much more systematic problems that we face in the US.
Far left don’t even take advantage of our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms during protests, confirm with local laws before doing so though.
Just seeing how people think China has more propaganda than the US baffles me, our media is controlled by billionaires and a few corporations…
The lesser of two evils is still voting for evil, I would suggest to let yourself learn diverse ideas not just what is shown to you by gov’t and main stream media companies. I am more inline with Yanis Varoufakis views on this subject, many more also have great points that they have spoken.
Check out Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, Yanis Varoufakis, and much more people outside the status quo. I tend to post and share some of them, while also being open to checking out what people and shows you may share with me!
Ok… this is a very long reply to my very long message. And there are a lot of things that I vehemently disagree with or want clarification for. So, I’m not sure how much patience you have, or how much you want to discuss, but I figure it’s probably best if we do a choose-your-own-adventure style debate here. To that end, I’m going to number the things that I will reply to, and you can reference those numbers in your reply (if you choose to make one), and that should add a little bit of order to our discussion. Hopefully. Otherwise, shit will grow to be downright unwieldy very quickly.
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First statement is wrong off the bat.
What statement is that? None of my first several statements seem to be the ones you’re referring to, or if they are, your reply doesn’t make a lot of sense. Can you please clarify? You can quote me by typing > and then pasting my words.
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I would say Bernie Sanders/AOC, but as we all now know, they sold out a while ago…
Were either of those people running for the general election in 2020? Sorry - that’s a leading question. They were not. I voted for Sanders in the primary, just as I did in 2016, but alas, he did not make it, and he did not choose to run for general election in 2020 as an independent. Also, AOC was not eligible to run, as she was not 35 at the time. So this is a complete red herring.
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Jill Stein is a jewish candidate for 2024, this is just one known person that is actively involved in the protest and has spoken out against the genocide.
Do you think that Jill Stein had any shot of winning in 2020? I don’t mean an outside chance. I also don’t mean a “Mighty Ducks” if you believe, you can make it happen style chance. I mean any chance whatsoever of actually becoming president of the United States in the reality we currently inhabit. Even a miniscule one. Even an infinitesimally small one.
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The lesser of two evils is still voting for evil, I would suggest to let yourself learn diverse ideas not just what is shown to you by gov’t and main stream media companies.
Ok. So, this one kind of depends on your answers to 2 and 3 above. Sorry about that; I was hoping to make it more modular, but them’s the breaks.
Of the candidates who were viable in 2020, which of them were not evil? If you think that all of the viable candidates were evil, is your recommendation to not vote? Do you not see any benefit to voting for someone who is less evil than their competitor?
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Check out Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, Yanis Varoufakis, and much more people outside the status quo.
Do Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, or Yanis Varoufakis have any solutions for us that might give us viable presidential candidates who are not evil? Or are they all speaking theoretically about a situation that does not currently exist in the world?
True, I tend to generalize and stick to the talking point where people can see where I stand on certain topics.
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First paragraph, not statement… Biden/Trump will not change too much of the status quo, but some of what Trump did and how he ran should have taught the current admin things that would work. I guess that only worked because Trump was an ‘outsider’ and was not afraid to go against the RNC, to a certain degree. Do not get me wrong, I still see Biden/Trump more similar than different when it comes to changing the status quo.
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AOC/Bernie sentence was more of an example showing that the democrats are not ‘left’, they are just really good at pretending to be. Bernie Sanders was just in the race to sheep herd people back into the blue team.
You can not change the system from within, the system will change you. Example: Justice Democrats, AOC is the new Nancy Pelosi (mama bear is no bueno, just another life long politician that pushes for the status quo at the end of the day).
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Long term vs short term, I see Jill stein as a great stepping stone. The more people that leave the duopoly the better for the long run. Nationial election is not the big all, I and those that I share push for local and direct action in our communities.
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The duopoly is ‘evil’, while also looking at RFK Jr. being in that same camp. 3rd party candidates are proven to be more trust worthy and willing to fight to change the status quo, just looking at their past and present politics. I have shared the 3rd party debates on some communities on lemmy if you would like to see what they have to offer.
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Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, and Yanis Varoufakis do have theoretical and real world solutions to help us change the status quo. Some of what they said is what brought me to change my views on politics as a whole and my involvement in my community. I share their diverse ideas on lemmy so people can learn and improve on their ideas, while also seeing what they are doing to change the current system.
Ok, I think we’re talking past each other here. Your response to this post (and a couple others) indicates to me that you don’t place a lot of importance on the role of a president. For example, you directly say in this post:
Nationial election is not the big all
Biden/Trump will not change too much of the status quo
You can not change the system from within, the system will change you
And all of that would be fine, except the whole reason we’re having this conversation in the first place is that you posted this picture with the title:
How are these people not embarrassed they voted for Biden? That they used their giant platform to advocate voting for a murderer
So… how do you square asking how the people who voted for Biden are not embarrassed by the fact that they voted for Biden with your seeming apathy about who actually becomes president? As Sesame Street used to say, “one of these things is not like the other”.
One of the major advantages of being president is using their influence to change the status quo, we know Trump/Biden will not do this to help the wokring class.
That is why, some in my circles do not see the president as our saviors that will fix all our problems, we push for being closer to this mantra:
We should focus our actions, time, and resources on Direct Action, Mutual Aid, and Community Outreach. If you do engage in Electoral Politics do not support the Duopoly (Red or Blue Team). No War but Class War!
This would have a much bigger impact in our communities and in helping the working class people!
This post and some others I share are to push back against the Lemmy status quo politicial views, which are to help people see diverse ideas instead of the same stuff that keeps being posted.
I hope this has helped you understand a bit more of why I posted this twitter post, and will continue to do so, while also taking the time to try and explain a different political view point so you may have a bit more of understanding when you try to ‘step in my shoes’ per se.
Thank you for contiuing this conversation, I hope this has helped you in starting to question and critize what the status quo pushes, either it being Trump/Biden and the owner class!
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