As we see more and more bots on Lemmy World every day, it’s about time we publish a set of rules for bots and bot-owners.

So here goes:

  • Bots shall not be used for any kind of advertising.

  • The bot accounts must be clearly marked as a bot. Both in the bio and by marking the account as a bot.

  • The owner of the bot and contact details must be mentioned in the bot’s bio.

  • Bots are only allowed to post in communities they have the explicit permission from the community’s owners to do so.

  • Bots from other instances that post in Lemmy World communities must follow the same rules.

  • Bots shall not just be posting Reddit content.

  • Bots shall not be “spammy”, as in multiple posts per minute.

  • Breaking any of these rules will result in a ban for the Bot and, if required, its owner.

  • Commands must use the bots mention as prefix, and not a text prefix like !help

These rules will be updated when needed.

  • miles
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    Good stuff 👍 Right now you’re using “can” and “should” which are somewhat vague. What happens if bots don’t do something they should?

    Consider clarifying requirements using the following RFC-style language: “MUST”, “MUST NOT”, “REQUIRED”, “SHALL”, “SHALL NOT”, “SHOULD”, “SHOULD NOT”, “RECOMMENDED”, “MAY”, and “OPTIONAL”.

    ref: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119

    • MrCennyOP
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      8610 months ago

      Done. Thanks for the tip ❤️

      • @andrewta
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        610 months ago

        How is your name in red?

        • @Pandantic
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          They are an admin of the instance.

            • @TheGreatFox
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              When referring to an admin in this way, be sure to keep in mind the difference between “forgive me father, for I have sinned” and “sorry daddy, I’ve been naughty”.

              • @Cabrio
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                510 months ago

                Don’t worry, they’re actually interchangeable. Just ask a priest.

            • @Pandantic
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              Okay, @andrewta he is your father. Your lemmy father.

    • @PutangInaMo
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      1010 months ago

      Found the systems engineer lol good point though, gotta be clear.

  • Anti Weeb Penguin
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    12810 months ago

    “Bots shall not be used for any kind of advertising” Extremely based

    • @Monkeyhog
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      610 months ago

      That should be the 11th commandment

      • @robocall
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        910 months ago

        And God said, “thou shalt be based”

  • JJROKCZ
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    5610 months ago

    What about bots that exist to respond to certain words in comments like the many lotrmemes bots and wandering dwarf miner for deep rock galactic. I’m sure they’re getting close to several a minute depending on comment traffic on those instances, if this place ever gets Reddit size they’ll definitely be doing several per minute

    • LemmyLefty
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      The admins could throttle those bots down to reasonable posting levels and the meta around it could go from expecting an instant response to being “graced by their presence”. Something something art from adversity something something…

      We don’t have to be a direct copy of Reddit, after all.

      • @danc4498
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        We don’t have to be a direct copy of Reddit, after all.

        What I don’t like about statements like this is that it ignores the fact that Reddit was just an interface for people to produce content and experiences that they wanted.

        We are on Lemmy because we want a different interface, not because we want different content/experiences.

        If Lemmy is a direct copy of Reddit, it is because the people want it to be.

        • @SheeEttin
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          3310 months ago

          Personally, I’m on Lemmy because I want a different owner, not a different interface. I liked old reddit just fine. I left due to the monetization of the community.

          • @danc4498
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            810 months ago

            True, that’s more what I meant by “different interface”. Not actually feels different, just different as in on a different server.

        • SapienSRC
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          1510 months ago

          Thank you. It would seem some believe Reddit forced us to behave a certain way. Traditions and customary behavior, both good and bad, were developed by the users.

        • LemmyLefty
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          710 months ago

          I’m sure that’s true of some people, but my Lemmy experience is different from my Reddit experience and I like it that way. The population on it, in amount and type, the framework and the philosophy behind the framework automatically differentiates it from Reddit, for the better.

          • @danc4498
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            810 months ago

            Sure, but if there are things on Lemmy that were also on Reddit, it’s not automatically a bad thing. People are bringing things to Lemmy that they enjoyed on Reddit.

            I’m just saying, don’t knock something just because it was a Reddit thing. We’re all here because, to varying degrees, we loved the Reddit experience and are looking for that experience without the owners.

            • LemmyLefty
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              -210 months ago

              …I’m not? I’m suggesting another way to interact with similar elements of Reddit within the confines of a much smaller space so that it isn’t overwhelmed.

              • @danc4498
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                Maybe you didn’t mean it that way, but the part that I quoted came across that way to me. And I’ve seen that same sentiment in many comments on Lemmy. Like, things being done the “reddit” way in Lemmy is a bad thing. Which is why I said something.

                • LemmyLefty
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                  -310 months ago

                  Then please remember that you’re interacting with a number of different people and try not to jump the gun.

      • @Graphy
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        Kind of a tangent, but I hated when bots went from saying random lines to saying relevant lines.

        Like if you said Gandalf and ‘pass’ in the same comment then you know the Gandalf bot would reply “you … pass!”

        Took the fun away from getting a relevant quote

    • @Carnelian
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      2310 months ago

      Perhaps they could simply be rate limited to once every 60 seconds, and abandon some comments if the traffic is too high?

      • JJROKCZ
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        -610 months ago

        Yea but that could essentially relegate them to being nonexistent.

        • @MBM
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          110 months ago

          Is there even more than 1 comment per minute in those comms yet?

    • Wörk
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      1610 months ago

      I like the character bots, though I find if they take up too much of the commend section of any given post it’s kinda boring; thus I think a limit on their responses is a good thing.

      • @dustyData
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        I remember going to threads in certain communities where 4 or 5 top comments were just back and forth of character bots repeating the same lines over and over.

    • @SheeEttin
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      910 months ago

      Please no. Those and the one that quoted Sabaton lyrics were so annoying. They just cluttered up the comments.

      • @kibiz0r
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        210 months ago

        Did I hear a rock and stone?

      • JJROKCZ
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        210 months ago

        ROCK AND STOOOONNNEEE!

    • @Dicska
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      310 months ago

      I was just thinking about remindme bot. It’s even useful, so I doubt people wouldn’t be happy for it. But it will get loads of requests.

      • @Galluf
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        2010 months ago

        It doesn’t need to publicly respond. A pm would be sufficient.

        • Aa!
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          1110 months ago

          It also doesn’t need to be publicly requested either. None of us care that someone is setting a reminder on their phone, and that’s all a “remind me” has to be.

          • @WhoRoger
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            -210 months ago

            But we do, it’s the best kind of humour to see someone set a reminder to remind someone of a reminder they don’t want to be reminded of

        • JJROKCZ
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          210 months ago

          Good compromise but I don’t know if the traffic load impact of a pm is much different from a comment. I imagine the server load induced by either is roughly the same

          • ChlorineAddict
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            510 months ago

            Sending the content wouldn’t be much different, but serving the content would be vastly reduced if it only appeared in one user’s inbox vs being displayed to everyone who visits the thread.

          • @MBM
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            110 months ago

            I didn’t think it was about server load so much as just user experience (no comment sections filled with bots)

      • JJROKCZ
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        110 months ago

        Yea that one gets lots of requests I’m sure

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    • @minorninth
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      110 months ago

      Yeah, I’d love to see a way for bots that respond to text the users specifically add to trigger a bot to be allowed. Stuff like remindme - maybe we don’t need that bot if Lemmy clients have that feature, but I love that it’s possible to implement stuff like remindme as a bot.

      Could we make that type of bot opt-out for communities? Or have keywords for bots to parse in community descriptions?

    • @Ippei
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      -110 months ago

      Seconding this. I hope you get an answer.

    • oursunisdying
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      3710 months ago

      The link-fixer-bot is really useful on mobile, I hope they can make an exception for this one.

      • @itadakimasu
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        -5510 months ago

        I’d prefer no exceptions. Don’t give an inch.

        • @AncientMariner
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          5410 months ago

          Rules are created to ensure that they work for people. If there is a set of rules to make it better for people, and it doesn’t, they may need a tweak.

        • @just_change_it
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          Now you sound like the chief problems with the justice system in the US. We don’t need to be terrible.

          Exceptions should be made on a case by case basis for common sense rationales. Spirit of the law, not letter of the law. This way if someone “technically” doesn’t violate the rules but is still violating the spirit of it - they’ve gotta go. An example would be contact details and ownership info that points to someone who may or may not exist but the contact info actually goes nowhere when you reach out because they never respond to anyone. Bots that just repost content from other sites like twatter and livejournal and reddit technically don’t fall under not just reddit but still violate the spirit of “do not just repost shit from elsewhere with bots”. The imagination of the masses is all that limits the scenarios so common sense needs to apply imo.

          At the same time there will be useful options that technically violate. Something like a remindme bot might hit faster than 1/minute. Some kind of minigame bot that only replies to prompts in a certain sub for just that use case is another scenario. Automoderator replies for incredibly popular subs will probably break 1/min rules if people post faster than 1/min, for instance. Again… common sense!

      • Izzy
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        310 months ago

        I agree completely.

      • @s38b35M5
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        210 months ago

        I’d rather my ex wife just didn’t call me so I don’t have to block her calls. A man can dream…

      • qaz
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        210 months ago

        A temporary exception won’t hurt

    • @nyar
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      1010 months ago

      I think posts and comments are different things.

  • Flying Squid
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    4210 months ago

    Excellent. Bots can be helpful, but they should be few in number. Some of them would drive me crazy on Reddit. Like that stupid ‘water is not wet’ bot.

    • @Pandantic
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      1110 months ago

      The bot that told people if their post’s words were in alphabetical order - like why do we need that?

      • RCMaehl [Any]
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        1110 months ago

        The bot that told users when all the numbers in their post added up to 69 / 420 as well.

      • @Caboose12000
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        I loved that bot, especially when it would reply to particularly heated comments where someone was getting really mad. nothing funnier than someone losing their shit and then being smacked with “wow, all the words in your comment are in alphabetical order!” lmao

  • @Cybermass
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    4110 months ago

    Love the bots no just reposting links to Reddit, I fucking hate that

  • RCMaehl [Any]
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    Hi @[email protected] @[email protected],

    I’m planning on launching a service soon that will allow users to quickly and easily create+run lemmy bots similar to automod. I’ve posted about it on the Lemmy Matrix before, but is there a best place to contact you all to ensure that as I open pandora’s box, everyone is ready?

    • @Astrealix
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      Would love to know when such a thing is set up — been needing some bots for some things like match threads for a while on our c/gunners community

      • RCMaehl [Any]
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        I’ll be making a post about it before the end of the month, although access to the service will be limited to moderators, instance admins, and curated users for a probably a year.

        • @Astrealix
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          can’t imagine people other than mods needing it ngl, so that’s totally fine by me haha — this is where i’d love to have a !remindme bot tho :p

          • RCMaehl [Any]
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            Yes, but it’d be nice that if a user has an idea for a bot they can easily build it, test it, and share it (with community approvals). Also, there is a mastodon based remindme bot. It’s not specifically coded for Lemmy, but it’s compatible. Just mention @remindme@mstdn.social

      • @Skyraptor7
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        I am in the process of making on for R Reddevils. It’s using flash pre to get the data

        • @Astrealix
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          110 months ago

          Yeah, we’ve seen your github! Taking a bit longer on our end, though.

    • AFK BRB Chocolate
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      810 months ago

      Seems like you could build in compliance with most of the rules (check the “bot account” box and put the owner’s name in the bio, etc.).

      • RCMaehl [Any]
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        1310 months ago

        That was mostly the plan.

        Although, I’m definitely revising my post draft to account for these new requirements

  • @shotgun_crab
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    3310 months ago

    I think we should prioritize useful bots over funny bots. Funny bots are fine if they comment on rare occasions, like the one that tells you when all the words on your comment are in alphabetical order. Also, having bots that react to specific commands is better imo.

    • @thessnake03
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      One of my favorite reddit bots was mlbcompare. You’d input two (or more) baseball player names and it would compare stats. There were a bunch of other parameters you could feed it; 1st season, specific years, games on Tuesdays, etc. Very niche, but very cool

      • @everythingsucks
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        610 months ago

        My favorite bot wasn’t a bot but was some guy who would comment “and my axe!”. I believe they were known as novelty accounts way back when.

    • @Nihilistic_Mystics
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      610 months ago

      TheBenShapiroBot was funnier than the vast, vast majority of reddit.

        • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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          310 months ago

          A compilation just for you:

          I saw that you mentioned Ben Shapiro. In case some of you don’t know, Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. If you find anything he’s said compelling, you should keep in mind he also says things like this:

          This is what the radical feminist movement was proposing, remember? Women need a man the way a fish needs a bicycle… unless it turns out that they’re little fish, then you might need another fish around to help take care of things.

          I’m a bot. My purpose is to counteract online radicalization. You can summon me by tagging thebenshapirobot. Options: covid, novel, civil rights, feminism, etc.


          By objectification of women, do you mean that there are actual standards of beauty and that there are many people in popular culture who we have been told are supposed to be seen as beautiful who are not objectively beautiful? Obviously that’s true. Obviously that’s true. If you polled men on whether Lizzo is beautiful–and I say Lizzo is not by any classical definition a beautiful person–that does not mean that that is objectification of women, that just means that there is a standard called beauty and it has meaning. -Ben Shapiro


          Freedom is an invention of the last couple of centuries. It really did not exist en masse until the last couple of centuries–and even then, really only since the end of the Soviet Union has it been sorta the broad movement of the public across the world. -Ben Shapiro


          If you like socialism so much why don’t you go to Venezuela?


          I saw that you mentioned Ben Shapiro. In case some of you don’t know, Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. If you find anything he’s said compelling, you should keep in mind he also says things like this:

          Let’s say your life depended on the following choice today: you must obtain either an affordable chair or an affordable X-ray. Which would you choose to obtain? Obviously, you’d choose the chair. That’s because there are many types of chair, produced by scores of different companies and widely distributed. You could buy a $15 folding chair or a $1,000 antique without the slightest difficulty. By contrast, to obtain an X-ray you’d have to work with your insurance company, wait for an appointment, and then haggle over price. Why? Because the medical market is far more regulated — thanks to the widespread perception that health care is a “right” — than the chair market. Does that sound soulless? True soullessness is depriving people of the choices they require because you’re more interested in patting yourself on the back by inventing rights than by incentivizing the creation of goods and services. In health care, we could use a lot less virtue signaling and a lot less government. Or we could just read Senator Sanders’s tweets while we wait in line for a government-sponsored surgery — dying, presumably, in a decrepit chair.

        • @tpyo
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          310 months ago

          Would give a Ben Shapiro quote that’s absolutely asinine when someone would mention his name (in subs the bot was allowed)

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    • @problematicPanther
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      I particularly enjoyed when the various gnu/linux explainer bots would interact with each other, or when people get fooled by the Petrosian bot on anarchy chess

    • @Risus_Nex
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      Are Bots certainly dumb enough for good helpful instruments?

    • @Risus_Nex
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      I need to test this alphabetical bot. Never heard of it.

  • @Dingus93
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    I get stabby around ads

  • @dan1101
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    Bots are only allowed to post in communities they have the explicit permission from the community’s owners to do so.

    This one might be tough for people. But yeah these rules are very reasonable.

    • Virtual Insanity
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      Could be an issue for remind me bots, but that said a reminder bot could just PM a user…

      Speaking of PM… does such a thing exist in Lemmy yet?

      Edit… yes it does… guess reminder bots don’t need to be able to post… Or maybe they could be limited to one per OP with a clickable link for subsequent people to also get reminders?

  • @ChatGPT
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    2810 months ago

    How do I label myself as a bot?

      • @markovianparallax
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        710 months ago

        Noob question: How can you tell a bot is a bot? What am I looking for? A little B next to the username or something?

        • @genshin_mirror_botB
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          Noob question: How can you tell a bot is a bot? What am I looking for? A little B next to the username or something?

          Correct.

          It’s also a good idea to name bots something that makes the bot’s purpose obvious.

    • MrCennyOP
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      That was actually a part of my draft, just didn’t copy it over. It’s added now. Thanks for the tip!

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    • @Risk
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      I agree with the permission requirement being onerous on both mods and bot owners. Why not just let mods ban bots from their community when they pop up and decide they’re not appropriate?