This is going off the rails. Locking.
My personal favorite response to that question is “a person who covers their drink when you enter the room”
I’m stealing both of these.
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Oh they don’t have them on your planet?
I like it, but that’s like a 1960s sitcom tier insult. It’s too cute to infuriate.
They have 1960s sitcom mentality. Wouldn’t hurt to give it a try.
how about, “a person who doesn’t want to have sex with you.”
That doesn’t work. I’m sure plenty of queer men would be too disgusted by them to want to have sex with them either.
What about ‘I’ll ask your mom what she thinks when I see her tonight’?
Better: “I’ll ask your dad what she thinks when I see her tonight.”
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Thank you flyingSquid. Perfect.
Puerile, but it’s well catered to the audience.
“Someone who chooses the bear over you.”
I like “Well, I’m a straight male, so anything that turns me on is a woman, ma’am.”
Name totally checks out.
Ooooh, that’s so subtle and brilliant, they’ll be destroyed for life! Added bonus is it zings for all the alphabet.
Seems like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
They’re not honestly curiously asking anything.
They tried to do a gotcha. Badly. And got gotcha’ed for it.
One question can’t be “sealioning”. Sure they aren’t curiously looking for an answer, but that’s not what sealioning is. Click your own link.
I saw a further video of them doing this type of thing before.
No need to be a douchebag.
You said what they’re doing seems like sealioning. Not sure how any of us are supposed to infer that you’re not talking about the subject content you’re commenting on.
I affirmed the rest of your opinion other than the trendy label you then put on it. Not sure why that makes me a douchebag, but then with me not being American there might be subtleties to the term that I’m not aware of like “calmly suggests you might be misusing a term”.
They called you a douchebag because your response was snippy and rude. “Click your own link” sounds condescending and arrogant.
You’re probably right. I can see how someone who sees being corrected as hurtful choosing to interpret a simple request that way, I suppose.
I saw this clip. It was amazing the way that kid just dismisses Charlie Kirk with his response and how he just walked away.
Kirk’s face was in shock, cuz he got owned so bad. Mofo couldn’t think of anything smart to say except something from another right wing grifter. 🤦
The right wing really capitalized on the left’s good faith approach, for a very long time. Now that younger people that grew up on the internet are a much larger component of the left’s base, they don’t seem to know how to “own us” anymore. We’re used to this sea lioning bullshit, and won’t put up with it.
Thank you for the context. I never know what the youtube bigots look like.
The craziest thing to me was watching that encounter and then seeing Kirk come away thinking he looked good
He did get owned - but just to put things in perspective, conservatives who saw the video think he owned the kid, saying the ‘kid didn’t know what to say and so just walked away’.
These guys are so deep into their fantasies that they don’t see things the way sensible people do. At all. It’s important to keep in mind when talking to them that they are living in a totally different world.
is this a valid response?
Nah. There are plenty of women who do not make my dick hard. To paraphrase Richard Pryor, I wouldn’t fuck Melania Trump with your dick.
I have no idea why anyone wanted to see her naked. Bleah.
She used to be much more attractive. Look up the picture of her and Donald with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and you can see it.
I’ve seen them. Bleah.
Only if you’re a himbo on the level of Johnny Bravo.
I can only dream of that.
The ftm equivalent is “What is a man?” And the proper response is “A miserable little pile of secrets”.
But enough talk… Have at you!
Alternative responses:
- “Yeah, it makes sense that you wouldn’t know.”
- “A human. Did you seriously not know that?”
- “Are you coming on to me?”
Are you coming on to me?”
I’ve actually used “I’m flattered, but I’m not into guys, sorry.” and when immediately he got pissy and insisted he isn’t gay and wasn’t asking me out, “It’s okay, you don’t have to hide who you are, I’m simply not interested.” and at that point my patience and certainty they wouldnt try to deck me were out the door, along with myself.
A musical theater performance was probably not the best place for the guy to be attempting to ragebait.
10/10 responses, I’d add in “If you have to ask, maybe you should get out more” which I guess is similar to “Makes sense you wouldn’t know”
Your first option is best. Insulting comeback that isn’t open-ended. It ends it so you can move on. The other options are asking for a response, including the OP one.
You could always go jeopardy style of “what is someone who doesn’t want to sleep with you”
Is the answer not “A miserable little pile of secrets”?
Then men are no different.
I’d say “A slightly less miserable pile of secrets because they are generally more in tune with their emotions” but that doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue
I believe that would in fact be a man.
But enough talk. Have at you!
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Personally I think the “woke” definition of a woman (if there even is one) is much more straightforward than the alternative. This idea that the left “can’t define a woman” is absurd projection - the very people who ask this question are the ones who can’t define it without having to make 100s of exceptions.
yep “someone who identifies as a woman” doesn’t need to have caveats. every biological argument has to have many.
Im trans, but this only works if you never rule out outliers, which is something a scientific term like female and its counterpart should be doing. There is a normal or default or whatever word youd prefer
first of all we’re not talking about science so it’s not really relevant, but…what do you even mean scientific terms should be ruling out outliers? if we do that we have faulty data and harmful medicine.
Because that’s the standard procedure for collecting experimental data and defining terms? Because the things that cause those outliers are usually influenced by things other than the thing being defined/observed
The standard human body that biology supposes exists, does not exist.
The perfect human cadaver does not exist, there’s no cadaver that follows the models in books. All cadavers have weird shaped organs, in kinda weird spots, not symmetrical, little tumors and tendon issues and muscle issues etc. Same for their neurochemicals including hormones (and fyi people can get adrenal autoimmune disease later in life that can cause changes in sex features). Same for genes. Like especially genetically, we know everyone has different genes because that’s how DNA tests work in forensics.
No one is the standard and this is why many medical studies are super shitty and our medicine is so nonspecific. That’s why firstline treatment for depression is SSRIs even though they only have a 30% efficacy.
So the idea that “control” groups in medical studies are really made up of some kind of standard body is pure nonsense, unfortunately. They do not even investigate for hormones or other diseases really during these medical studies. If the drug itself will impact sex hormones, the study will describe what tests they ran and will investigate then, but if it’s a depression drug or heart drug etc, they just go off whatever the patient thinks. Genuinely. Our studies are so primitive.
i don’t follow at all
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Yes. But imagine the screaming if they hadn’t been allowed in.
Okay. I imagined it. It gave me happiness. What next?
Covertly donating to Democratic party by buying the merch?
Language is an imperfect medium with inherent limitations, intended to convey thoughts from the mind of one person to another. Thus, context is critical. The tragedy of humans not being telepathic.
A large portion of this argument is between two factions trying to have a complex discussion regarding at least four different things using only two words; male and female. The discussion however expands to biology, stereotypes, gender norms, rights, etc.
To me, everyone arguing is a moron for trying to have a discussion without first agreeing on axioms and vocabulary. Male and female are not enough words for a discussion involving this many variables.
It’s like, hey, please reconcile general relativity, quantum mechanics, and metaphysics using only X and Y. It just screams absurdity.
You might want to look at Wittgenstein.
In his early work he went hard on this approach, and insisted that “hey philosophy is dumb”, just agree on the definitions and then chase through the implications.
In his later work he realised that this is impossible. Words have contextual meaning that is revealed by their usage and you can’t nail down full and complete definitions in advance.
What you’re talking about absolutely can and will never work. We have tried it and seen it fail.
The general point is that the “what is a woman” question is still word games rather than an honest attempt at finding truth and understanding
Yes exactly. “What is a chair?” These semantic boundaries may seem annoying and pedantic to explore at first, but can be pretty interesting once examined especially at a neurolinguistic level.
Yeah, let’s spend the next 3 days hashing out all our vocabulary so we could have an argument…
I get the idea and I agree that people who won’t come to the same understanding of words and concepts cannot have a discussion about a topic that uses those words and concepts. But if you think anyone is going to sit down and be “First we must get our axioms and vocabularies in sync” you’re dreaming.
A practical approach is to assume people have roughly the same understanding of vocabulary so you could start the discussion. When discrepancies present themselves that’s when you shift to finding a common understanding of axioms, concepts, words or whatever you want to call them. Morons are the people who refuse compromise on anything they believe in (including axioms and vocabulary).
It is safe to assume that many people would not agree on definitions at the start. So your strategy sounds good, but it’s unrealistic in many circumstances.
Also, one faction is typically trying to avoid a complex discussion. They want to pretend life is simpler than it is.
It isn’t for me to define, and there are more important things in life to focus on.
I used to think 2 x chromosomes. Clearly I was wrong.
What if they have trisomy or monosomy?
What if they have a mutation and they don’t have the correct genes in their X and Y Chromosomes?
What if gender (a social construct) and biological sex aren’t actually the same thing?
What about just let people be because it’s none of your goddamned business how they want to express themselves, who they love, and why?
Did you skip the second and third words and entire second sentence of that comment, or what?
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A “woman” is a label. It’s a social construct.
As such, while you and I may have some idea of what we think a woman is, it’s not really something that can be given a concrete definition the way these people seem to think it needs.
The meta of gender is simply the way we see eachother and not something that can be measured. It’s felt.
It’s a lot like trying to build a concrete definition for intelligence. What is intelligence? How can it be measured? IQ tests are one way, but they’re pretty much universally regarded as inaccurate at best.
Whatever intelligence is, these rage baiters don’t have it.
I agree. the only thing that we can say scientifically is that someone has a specific amount of traits we have associated with the social label ‘woman’. These traits are biologically speaking primarily related to reproduction and which role one would be able to fulfill the most effectively. Which does leave room for being able to fulfill both reproductive roles in some way or another.
Our social needs to mark ourselves and others as one of the two is deeply ingrained, but as it’s such a grey area under the hood it would make sense to have a more fluid relationship with the topic.
Gender helps when the surgeon cuts into the abdomen and wants better than 50/50 odds on what to expect on the other side.
One would expect the surgeon to have actually done their Pre-op. If they don’t know what to expect when cutting into someone, they shouldn’t be.
Reminds me of this https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/master-debater-both-guy
“master debator” kind of sounds like masturbater
A cunning linguist once said
