News are reporting 50 dead children
You know what would to be really, REALLY uncomfortable?
If Harris loses, there’s a strong chance that it might be over this terrible war. What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency.
The harris campaign is up openly hostile to the anti-war anti-genocide vote. They are not interested in trying to get our votes. If they make the calculation that they need the anti-war vote to win they will try to appeal to us but they have decided (so far) that they don’t want us and don’t need us.
Don’t blame us for not voting for a candidate who doesn’t want our vote and is actively hostile to our position.
Red and blue serve the same interests
What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency and continue the war unchanged.
FTFY
Nah, your boy trump promises to end the war in mere hours (with industrial genocide).
So let’s not vote for kkkamala harriss because we care so much about Palestinians.
What a stupid, stupid reason to have to live through another Trump presidency and continue the war, with even more support than ever.
FTFY
Evangelicals like the genocide, brings their death cult closer to its end.
Hey at least he could never win again, silver lining lol. Then all we have to do is kill him when he tries to go dictator which honestly shouldn’t be that hard, the nearest secret service agent may even do it…extrajudiciously.
(I have a pet theory that one of the functions of the secret service is to quickly turn from bodyguards to assassins if a dictatorial president does attempt a real take over. I mean, why not? if it isn’t it should be.)
unchanged
Getting worse means changes are required… Trump wouldn’t make anything better but there is no reason to suggest Harris wants to make things better.
Biden:
Only a Russian bot would post this.
Putin is a cunt and Russia’s war of aggression in Ukraine must be stopped.
If I was on Russia’s payroll that should be enough to get me arrested or at least fired.
So either I’m risking my safety OOOOORRRR not everyone opposed to Biden’s support for Israel is a Russian bot. Golly gosh I wonder which one it is
If I was on Russia’s payroll that should be enough to get me arrested or at least fired.
You don’t need to be on Russia’s payroll to spew pro-Putin talking points. Plenty of American oligarchs will foot the bill.
So either I’m risking my safety
Its so crazy to be listening to a podcast interview with Daniel Santiago while reading this.
You don’t need to be on Russia’s payroll to spew pro-Putin talking points
You know, if criticizing killing is a “pro-Putin talking point,” then pro Putin talking points clearly aren’t always bad? Should I be in favour of murder to really show how much I hate Putin? Literally what the fuck are you talking about
I agree with Putin that the sky is blue too. I’m expecting my rubles in the mail any day now.
You know, if criticizing killing is a “pro-Putin talking point,” then pro Putin talking points clearly aren’t always bad?
If they are Pro-Putin, they must be bad. Or possibly an evil trick, trying to fool me into thinking Russians aren’t a D&D monster race that is ontological evil.
Should I be in favour of murder to really show how much I hate Putin?
I mean, the real irony of all this is in how politically tight Putin and Netanyahu have been over the last twenty years. What’s more, the over 80k Russian Jews migrating to Israel since the start of Russia-Ukraine hostilities have been at the forefront of the Israeli settler movement over the same period of time.
So… you could kinda sorta see a line between these two countries and their respective wars on their neighbors.
But that kind of analysis sends pro-Israel / anti-Russia journalists into a confused and angry spiral. So we go out of our way to avoid conflating these conflicts at every opportunity.
I agree with Putin that the sky is blue too. I’m expecting my rubles in the mail any day now.
Сила есть, ума не надо
I don’t think the sarcasm registered in this crowd
Liberal DNC shills when Americans don’t blindly support a centrist corporate lobby party in disguise:
You are schizophrenic
machineLearner
lolz
I hope you know that Lemmy isn’t shift work, right?
Is that a real comment or sarcasm?
Sarcasm.
But we’re posting under a link to The Intercept. I’m surprised we don’t have more folks saying it sincerely, given how critical the paper has been of the Biden administration.
Ah I see. Usually I’m not in favour of the sarcasm tag (ruins the joke) but it would have really helped here, lol.
Lebanese civilians and Lebanese homes are Hezbollah. It worked in Gaza, why wouldn’t it work in Lebanon.
If you’re not careful, you will be Hezbollah too.
Journalists and UN workers? That’s right, Hezbollah
Israel desperately trying to start WW3.
With the back of the west who would hands down win it thanks to the trillions of public money they spend on war. Watch out for the propaganda, iran or russia are not worst than us they are as much as bad.
Yeah how the fuck is this moving from Gaza, already a fucked up goings on in the world, to more and more of Lebanon? Why are governments of other countries still supporting this? What the actual fuck?
Why are governments of other countries still supporting this?
Why not? What are you going to do about it?
Israel has no sober friends.
Netanyahu is. The Israeli public is highly racist, but much less enthusiastic about total war than Bibi. Unfortunately, they don’t get a say. This isn’t a democracy.
The people are damningly complicit with their leaders and killing others.
It is telling the world a very dangerous message.
I guess we’ll never know, huh?
If tomorrow Netanyahu get removed from office, there are probably 10 or 12 other genocidal war-mongers who could take his place.
I agree that the Israeli public is far more split on this issue, but the ultra nationalists have a pretty strong hold on power.
I always wonder when people post this: how exactly would this go down?
Say when Iran sends troops/ships/whatever to support Hezbollah and get into a fight with the US, which other parties with significant military power would side with them? Russia is tied up and probably incapable, North Korea would be unlikely to want to commit suicide by using their nukes over this, …
Perhaps Erdogan would be the most realistic one but I don’t think their military would be very eager to follow those orders
Turkey is a NATO member, they might talk a good game, but they aren’t going to act against US interests. The blowback would be catastrophic for Erdogan and Turkey.
When Iran joins the war in full capacity, the US needs to give them full attention. That leaves Taiwan open for grabs. Which they also need full attention for. Then there’s still Ukraine and Russia making plays. I imagine if Russia ever wins in Ukraine, and there are wars happening in the Middle East, Taiwan, elsewhere, then they might make a play on the Baltics for instance. So US now has 3 fronts to deal with against multiple nuclear powers. And that is of course as long as the US stays the course and doesn’t end up isolating from the rest of the world.
World wars happened because of a series of alliances pulling multiple countries into a large, singular war. Israel provoking multiple of their neighbors by attacking them and commiting genocide can absolutely draw the world into a war.
Even if your crazy scenario would play out (Europe giving up the Baltics? The US fighting a conventional war against China?), how would you put that on Israel for responding to Hezbollah’s attacks? Iran tying up the US who you seem to see as ‘World Police’ and not those other countries just itching to attack their neighbours?
If you think 2024 exists in a vacuum and that Israel has no part in the “tensions” in the region, then there isn’t much to talk about.
Sure. On the other hand: if your bottom line position is that Israel should dissapear and ‘everything goes’ until that happens, a) there are a lot of other countries where that case can be made and b) I don’t think everyone killing everyone would be the thing that prevents WW3
how exactly would this go down?
Israeli expansion draws a bigger fish into the conflict. Perhaps they start attacking Syria or Iran more directly. Perhaps they start bombing into Saudi Arabia or Jordan. Perhaps we see another collapse of the Egyptian military dictatorship due to unrest, and the replacement government isn’t nearly as Israel-friendly as the current regime.
Then the US has to intercede. But as the US intercedes in the Middle East, it draws in more countries - fighting breaks out in Iraq to expel what remains of the US military presence, fighting breaks out between Greece and Turkey again as US naval assets are withdrawn from the region, Russia capitalizes on US arms assets slowing down in Ukraine and makes a big push into Kiev. The US has military bases all over the world, so you don’t have to travel far in order to pull off a USS Cole style bombing.
You can see this spiral into a global conflict easily enough. We’re already seeing low-key upheavels all through the central African states, the disputed territory of Kashmir, and the Chinese/Japanese contested ocean territories. When the Primary Imperial Power is engaged in too many fronts at once, that creates a lot of room for the various minor powers to reassert themselves.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, the risk of regional escalation is very well understood even in the US state department.
Saudi Arabia is an enemy of Iran in the region, and Jordan even helped Israel intercept Iranian missiles. Why would Israel ever attack its allies in that conflict?
And Israel has been expanding into the West Bank since like '67. What changed that that would suddenly ‘draw in bigger fish’ now?
Saudi Arabia is an enemy of Iran in the region
China’s been brokering peace negotiations with them for some time as part of its Belt & Road Initiative.
Jordan even helped Israel intercept Iranian missiles
And Israel repaid the aid by bombing a Jordanian hospital in Gaza. Its a very one-sided relationship, heavily predicated on Jordanian security services being in bed with the IDF.
And Israel has been expanding into the West Bank since like '67.
Not since the '48 Nakba has Israel been this aggressive with its expansion. This is in no small part thanks to the flood of Ukrainian and Russian refugees serving as fodder for settlements.
Jordan even helped Israel intercept Iranian missiles
And Israel repaid the aid by bombing a Jordanian hospital in Gaza.
So what you’re claiming is they first tricked Jordan in helping them intercept those Iranian missiles, and then went back in time a couple of months to spray some bullets towards that hospital without Future-Jordan being aware? That just sounds too incredible for me. Even if they have that technology there are a million better uses for it
And Israel has been expanding into the West Bank since like '67.
Not since the '48 Nakba has Israel been this aggressive with its expansion. This is in no small part thanks to the flood of Ukrainian and Russian refugees serving as fodder for settlements.
Yeah you might want to look at the expansion after the '67 war first before you proclaim a couple of settlements are the most dramatic thing since '48, going to trigger WW3
So what you’re claiming is they first tricked Jordan in helping them intercept those Iranian missiles, and then went back in time a couple of months to spray some bullets towards that hospital without Future-Jordan being aware?
No
Israel has already fought multiple wars with its neighbors, and the US never interceded (if by that you mean “sent US troops”). In fact, the whole purpose of arming Israel is partly so their soldiers do the fighting instead of Americans. I think the US expects Israel to handle Iran as it did Egypt, Jordan, Syria etc.
The US doesn’t really care about Central Africa or Kashmir, it has no strategic interests in those regions. So any wars fought there (and again, there have already been a few) will be mostly ignored by the US.
The US cares a lot about China, so this is the only place it might send its own US forces. But those will mostly be US Navy, since it doesn’t need to occupy new territory. And the Navy isn’t really needed elsewhere.
Israel has already fought multiple wars with its neighbors, and the US never interceded
The US has been sending military aid, military advisors, and military assets into the region around Israel for over 80 years. The US has stationed two different carrier groups to support the Israeli invasion of Gaza.
Right, which is why I specified “send US troops”.
Who do you think is manning those carrier groups?
Both have already returned home.
They’re on rotation. The USS Lincoln is set to replace the Roosevelt, which was replacing the Eisenhower.
Probably China over estimating itself in Taiwan and hoping the US is too bogged down in Israel/Ukraine.
WWW3 when?
As soon as they produces enough weapons and brainwash enough people for it
We didn’t call WW1 a world war until america joined 3 years into the European war. The second world war wasn’t called that until after the war had formally ended. Who knows.
Late October, Netanyahu will do whatever he can to help Trump win.
Let’s not forget that they bailed on ceasefire talks a few weeks ago because former president, and private citizen, Donald Trump violated the Logan Act by calling Netanyahu and telling him not to accept the ceasefire.
Well, we wouldn’t want them to run out I guess. /s
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