The U.S. will send Ukraine an undisclosed number of medium-range cluster bombs and an array of rockets, artillery and armored vehicles in a military aid package totaling about $375 million, U.S. officials said Tuesday.
Officials expect an announcement on Wednesday, as global leaders meet at the U.N. General Assembly, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy uses his appearance there to shore up support and persuade the U.S. to allow his troops to use long-range weapon s to strike deeper into Russia. The following day, Zelenskyy meets with President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris in Washington.
good.
Now if only i could get IP people to realize that ukraine existed, maybe they could get the government to send those bombs to ukraine instead…
good.
Cluster bombs dropped across the country will be killing people decades after the war is over.
Ukraine can’t win without Western troops.
It’s that simple.
They are doing very well even without them right now (especially against the supposedly second army in the world). What they need is more weapons.
They are doing very well
Its crazy to see people double down on this line two years into the conflict.
Nobody is doing well. This is a war of attrition that’s ruining Ukraine’s interior, devastating its population, and obliterating its economy. The absolute best thing you can say about the conflict is that Russians are also losing lots of blood. But that puts the terms of “victory” entirely within the scope of “How many dead Russians have we produced?” rather than “How much of Ukraine is there left to save?”
What they need is more weapons.
Who is going to be using them?
Who is going to use them?
You think himars and long range missiles are needing to use up hundreds of Ukrainians to be fired?
But whatever, you’re arguing for a “peace plan” I guess. Where Ukraine cannot enter NATO nor get back the invaded land, right?
They haven’t been winning with them either
That marks the start of World War 3 tho
I think that “honor” is for Israel.
With their actions in Lebanon? Ugh, you might be right…
“May you live in interesting times”, eh?
That’s nice, but $375 million, in US Military terms, is the equivalent of loose change between the cushions. We better send Ukraine a fat Christmas present.
We’re planning on sending several billion in our extant weapon stocks, and disbursing a smaller but also 10 digit amount to purchase more weapons for Ukraine’s use.
I would like some loose change, Mr. President
Cluster bombs are being deployed in your house
I thought we weren’t allowed to use cluster munitions?
the US is one of few nations that didn’t sign that treaty, along with landmines.
We pretend it’s ok by saying that we have high accuracy high precision cluster bombs. Though the ones getting to ukraine aren’t, that entire place is also littered with minefields, so it makes no difference lmao.
We pretend it’s ok by saying that we have high accuracy high precision cluster bombs.
Why would you want precise cluster bombs? The whole point of a cluster munition is to spread the effect over a broad area.
Pretty sure the US is one of the few nations that never said they wouldn’t use them.
Cluster munitions are bad when you’re an invading army bc some of the explosives fail to fire, endangering civilians who come across them later. Ukraine, however, is using them on its own territory to combat russia who 1) is already using cluster munitions with a greater fail rate than the ones the US is providing Ukraine, and 2) deliberately mines the areas they invade in a way to kill civilians (e.g. setting up a mine to explode if you try to move the corpse of a beloved family dog). So in this case, using the US’s cluster munitions to get russia out is a net positive.
Whereby there also videos from the first weeks where Russians left grenades as booby traps in kitchen cabinets and dishwashers?
The US didn’t sign that treaty AFAIK. Not sure about Ukraine though.
Ukraine didn’t, and neither did Russia.
It’s like with incendiary weapons: Not war crimes as such, but for fuck’s sake don’t use them near civilians. Ultimately they’re not doing anything that an artillery barrage couldn’t do, including leaving unexploded ordinance around: When there’s lots of soft targets you don’t need all those explosions but only shrapnel so you can send a single shot and cause that shrapnel instead of twenty causing shrapnel and pointless explosions.
Also, can’t commit war crimes if there’s no war. And Russia says this isn’t a war.
Russia did declare it a war a while ago. They dropped the stupid military operation pretense.
I know you’re being facetious, but they’re considered war crimes even if it’s not a full declared war.
Special military operation crimes then!
Only if you care about civilians
And a little more debt for Ukraine.
most of which is default-able. The rest is probably going to be paid back inevitably, due to ukraine receiving a massive industry boom post war for shit like drones and stuff.
Not to mention the rebuilding of the economy.
The post-war part is another different thing. But telling someone that’s on fire “pay me for putting the flames down” is inhuman.
“A little more debt for Poland and France” - bufalo1973 in 1944
It should be interesting to see who pays for this when Russia wins.
Russia can’t win. I don’t mean I don’t want it to happen, despite that being true. I mean there is no winning condition for Russia or Putin to end this conflict. Even if they were to occupy Kiev, they should really remember what happened when they attempted to occupy Afghanistan, because the exact same thing will happen. We didn’t even have to supply bombs and missiles, just some shoulder mounted surface to air shit, and the Russian occupation was completely halted. The Ukrainians aren’t going to give up, even if Russia declared victory.
What’s worse is that I’m not certain if we have passed the point where Russia literally cannot make enough people for this war to not cripple their economy and political power for the next century or so, but they’ve lost so many young men that if we haven’t passed that point yet, we will by the end of the year.
probably russia
Lmao, Ukraine is being invaded and the people are being genocided and you’re here to talk about financials…
Shouldn’t you be off generating fake concern for another atrocity to sway a foreign election or something?
What would you suggest Ukraine do instead?
My point is that this is not a helping hand but a business for the arms dealers.
lil bro on the internet discovers that in a globalist capitalist world, that even military conflicts are burdened by the concepts of capital itself.
Then they shouldn’t sell it as “help”. If you help, you help. If you sell, you sell.
Edit: and I know the World is mostly a shitty place but that doesn’t make me less angry.
Okay, again, what would you suggest Ukraine do instead?
.ml want Ukraine to surrender. That’s pretry much it.
They don’t care about the people
They don’t care about the US taxpayer’s money
They don’t care that the weapon companies profitThey just want russia to win.
“Having a discussion” is just smoke and mirrors with them.
I know, but I like to give them enough rope…
I don’t care about ML. What I say is that this is NOT HELPING. It’s MAKING A PROFIT on someone in need. Helping would be “I give you the weapons to defend yourself and we will pass the bill to Russia”, not this.
I don’t care about ML. What I say is that this is NOT HELPING. It’s MAKING A PROFIT on someone in need. Helping would be “I give you the weapons to defend yourself and we will pass the bill to Russia”, not this.
hence why we keep giving them massive loans. And sending them old equipment from our military, and sharing intelligence with them, and providing public media support for them as well.
War is more than just capital my friend.
“I give you the weapons to defend yourself and we will pass the bill to Russia”, not this.
also this is literally what europe is looking to do with their stockpile of frozen russian assets.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Why are you pressing that question as if Ukraine is an independent actor?
Because… they are? Unless you share Russia’s opinion on the matter.
Why are you refusing to answer the question?
You can’t refuse to answer a question that was never directed at you.
Unless you share Russia’s opinion on the matter.
The fact that Ukraine is a proxy state is spoken out loud by American politicians as well.
Kayfabe is for the kids.
The fact that Ukraine is a proxy state is spoken out loud by American politicians as well.
Please provide evidence for this supposed fact.
Also, Putin doesn’t call it a proxy state, he calls it the homeland of the Russian people, which is why he’s trying to make it part of Russia.
Most enlightened tankie. I guess Ukrainians should use rocks, or jedi powers to defend against the orcs?
Or the NATO could give them weapons and pass the bill to the Russians.
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