You must log in or register to comment.
Who are these fucking complete garbage people who can conceive of a world where there are elves, dwarves, Qunari and darkspawn, but trans people are a bridge too far?
I have no idea what woke even means anymore. It seems to mean “social awareness”. Black lives matters kind of a thing. Equal rights for trans people too of course. That doesn’t mean that everyone should support games being forced into having all genders, or races, or include trans people. Or all books or movies should be forced to have those things.
If you create something, it’s up to you how you want that to be. You are the artist.
This is not equal to hating trans people, and anyone with some iq points realizes this. We can’t turn every creation into a vehicle for trans rights.
And when the artists chooses to include all genders, or races, or trans people; what would you call the effort to force the artists from removing this from their art?
That doesn’t mean that everyone should support games being forced into having all genders, or races, or include trans people
The fuck are you talking about? No one is forcing anyone to “have all genders or races or include trans people”
That’s the anti-woke propaganda the text you’re quoting is complaining about. If you listen to anyone right wing long enough this is what they’ll bring up eventually. it’s “fake news” basically – very dangerous fake news.
Perhaps you misunderstood the poster?
No he is misrepresenting what’s going on and telling on himself.
Social Media Person Destroys Troll In Epic “Clapback” - see details after two sets of ads below
I have one problem with this:
slams
… siiiiigh
can you explain?
It’s a very overused and absolutely terrible use of a word.
For two reasons:
- It has a predefined meaning, and if you read what the DA creators say, they’re not actually “slamming” it. While they’re pretty openly hostile - and for good reason - that’s a far cry from what someone “slamming” someone else or a quote would be.
- It’s inclusion in the headline is for sensationalism, which would not be needed as the “You’re an idiot!”-quote already does that. Or maybe it’s just surprising how desensitivized people on the net are nowadays.
To think it further, consider the whole headline had been slam-ified:
Dragon Age GOATs slam “woke” lollerz: “Cry moar!”
The best Dragon Age game is still Origins. They’ve had two sequels that haven’t matched the quality of the original. That’s what I would worry about. “Woke” had nothing to do with under-delivery.
This is the reality. EA, Ubisoft they both created masterpieces in the past. And they just got worse in every release with their beloved series. The reason is mostly nothing is simple anymore. People want simplicity, not bunch of launchers with additional accounts, always online single player games, tens of DLCs that were suppose to be in the main game.
Simplicity to access the content is important, but I’d argue just as important is they’ve tried to make the games simple and appealing to everyone, and they end up not really appealing to anyone. Make an interesting game for the people that want it. Don’t make a game no one wants.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
I disagree. I preferred 2 and 3 to 1. Obviously YMMV and that’s fine
Aye, let’s agree to respect each other’s opinion. No matter how wrong yours might be.
(joking of course, I actually like 2 a lot despite how clearly unfinished and rushed it was, although I really really disliked 3 except for the romances and the character interactions)
I liked Varic in 2 but that’s about it. The asset recycling was absolutely mad.
my soul brother.
Really what did you prefer, character, worldbuilding, level design, graphics? I’m genuinely curious. I personally loved Varic in the later games.
Yeah I love the second one also. Liked the characters better, I like the contained story, combat was more fun I thought, Etc…
Wasn’t it dragon age 2 where the level design got super repetitive though? It felt like they kept reusing the same exact level design in ways that didn’t really make sense.
Yep Varic was the sole redeeming quality of a bad game.
I’ve heard that, and it’s reasonable however I found the level design in the first one could be a little repetitive as well so I thought some of the criticism was somewhat unwarranted.
Who will be idiot if the game flops?
If the game is dog shit the people crying about it being woke will still be the idiots. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exactly. Woke is just a symptom not the reason. It’s hard to see a beloved series go bad but people should learn to move on if the game is bad. Just buy the game when it’s good and the problem is solved.
Woke is not a symptom. What people usually complain about with “woke” is more choices for the player to personalize their experience. Body type 1 or 2 instead of male female? Woke. Different skincolors? Woke. Woman in charge? Woke.
(I’m so sorry for writing so much. Skip to the last paragraph if you have to. There’s a tension in me because I fall on both sides a bit.)
It’s an indicator of developer focus and intent. Sometimes.
If people’s introduction to trans characters wasn’t “hi, I’m trans” then maybe they wouldn’t have these stereotypes, but we are where we are. Pretending that it’s just extra options is ignoring that the people that push this sort of thing also seem to think we also want to read their shitty writing and shitty characters.
Their dumblelore/voldemort slash fiction bullshit was trash 15 years ago and they haven’t improved because their focus is social issues, not good writing. That’s the real issue - paper thin characters that are just vehicles for social commentary. Subversion isn’t annoying your audience from the start, it’s developing deep characters with all the flaws of humanity that also happen to have atypical identities.
My favorite book series are The Culture novels and Discworld. They both have trans characters that aren’t there just to push narrative. They were well written characters that fit the world and also trans. In the culture it’s not even remarkable - they’ve solved everything biological so it’s just kind of there. Discworld is more by-the-horns, but he still manages to be sneaky with the subversion and it works every fucking time.
On the flip side, Hugo award winner A Deepness in the Sky has a character that uses gender neutral pronouns which is whatever. Not a big deal, but it was the first time I saw it in a book. What was the book? Torture/rape fantasy set in space. It’s one of two books I couldn’t finish. The other is Atlas Shrugged. Coming from someone that’s read a lot of more classic science fiction and considered a Hugo a seal of approval, that was a very harsh realization.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with extra options or making ugly characters (though I don’t get that - there’s a sweet spot between fan service and trash can) but I don’t consider them a useful feature if the game is shit. If they focus on the game and add ‘woke’ shit to a good game with well written characters it’ll go down like honey. If the devs see the game as a vehicle to disseminate their social ideas, they’re in love with themselves and not the game and people will see that. It can, and has, been done well.
That’s not wise to complain about more choices though. Unless there is a forced agenda, that I can understand.
“woke” is now just a dog whistle that tells you the person saying it is a bigoted shithead.
Aye, it has become another dogwhistle of the weirdo alt right crowd. It’s kinda helpful because whenever you see someone use it unironically, you can just safely block/ban them at no loss of conversation.
Eh, it’s a bit of slippery slope if you ask me since it’s overused these days.
Not sure I’d consider things like the ability to make your character trans a symptom of anything other than the game being made in the 21st century.
I think it’s a symptom because the creators using it to hide their bad games, and the idiots think the game is bad because it’s woke. If the game is already bad, it’s bad. Dragon Age games were always diverse and Dragon Age Origins was epitome of its genre. No one is talking about it being woke.
because the creators using it to hide their bad games
How does this work in particular? The hiding bit? Doesn’t it actually draw attention, considering how many people then spam “OMG SO WOKE!11!!angry-1!!” and so on threads everywhere?
They indeed draw attention. It’s basically there is no good or bad advertising from their point. However, this is a fantasy world and people would like to see psychically appealing characters, especially the playable ones. I believe this is the root issue.
When they have no good material, they start to promote unrelated things to gameplay. This is just one of those things.
When they have no good material, they start to promote unrelated things to gameplay. This is just one of those things.
Didn’t YOU just say that people focus on the visuals of characters? As in, something unrelated to gameplay?
Who will be the idiot if the game doesn’t?
