• @KombatWombat
    link
    1272 months ago

    I always took the phrase “She is someone’s [whatever]” not to suggest that the recipient isn’t thinking of them as a person, but that they are thinking of them as a stranger. As in, “How would you like it if you knew someone was treating your [person you care about] like that?”. It’s still a criticism for the recipient, but it doesn’t go as far to accuse them of dehumanizing anyone. Instead, it suggests you should treat them like you would someone you are close to and care about more deeply.

    • Queen HawlSera
      link
      fedilink
      English
      462 months ago

      This IS the intended meaning of the phrase, some people just read too much into things…

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        122 months ago

        I agree with the original statement and also the correction in ops picture. They both communicate true and valuable information.

      • @HappycamperNZ
        link
        42 months ago

        Id also follow up with SHE has people that care about HER. She’s not an object for you.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        32 months ago

        It’s fair to read into like that when you usually only hear it used in reference to women. It may not be the intent, but it reframes them as something (daughter, mother, whatever) worthy of empathy rather than someone.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      30
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      A lot of men see only the women in their family as human, other women are just potential mates. This is why some people try to humanise women victims by pressing the fact that they are someone’s daughter/sister/mother. Why don’t we see the same language used on victimised men?

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        -1
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        Why don’t we see the same language used on victimised men?

        Are men victimized systemically and threatened physically to the same extent women are? Feminists speaking up for women’s issues doesn’t preclude men from speaking up for men’s issues, but lo and behold, men don’t have the same issues as a population that women do, and it’s not feminists’ job to speak up for them anyway.

        Edit: I misunderstood, see reply.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          142 months ago

          It’s because if a man is victimised then we don’t need to convince other men that they’re a person and didn’t deserve something bad happening to them. I’m not advocating for feminists to speak about men’s issues (they already do though). I’m saying that women are more often dehumanised which is why some people think they need to specify that a victimised woman is someone’s daughter/sister/mother/etc. The person I’m replying to is rejecting the assumption that dehumanisation of women takes place.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            72 months ago

            I’m sorry, I took your ending question as a challenge towards the victimization of women, not as an attempt to get the other commenter to think about how men are treated differently.

            My bad, I 100% agree with you.

    • @Soup
      link
      162 months ago

      I like to say “everyone’s had a childhood.” It might not have been a good childhood but no one just phases into existence as a full grown adult, not even the dumbass who cut you off and may as well have been born yesterday.

  • wallmenis
    link
    fedilink
    English
    232 months ago

    True. I need to work on not talking like that more.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    202 months ago

    The sign isn’t for us who knows women are people.

    It’s for a percentage of people who don’t realize when they are vote Republican and their many anti-women policies – it affects their mothers, sisters, daughters, etc.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    122 months ago

    Funny how White Christian Nationalists so readily ignore things like Whatever you do for the least of us, you do for me [Jesus as in their god and ticket holder to the backstage party] and Whatever you do to the least of us to do to me.

    Funny enough, in the OT there were also calls about uplifting the beggar, the widow, the migrant and the stranger, and an example was made of two cities specifically for not doing this when they were embarrassed with riches, specifically Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Not that women don’t get short shrift in the bible, but the current crap about contraception and abortion are a stretch misreading of passages, and are drawn from the same resources that say don’t have kids, the apocalypse is neigh and it’s not nice to do that to people who won’t even get to grow up.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      102 months ago

      It’s especially perverse that they have decided the sin of sodom was homosexuality and used that as a wedge to exclude and dehumanize people, so that they can feel better about committing the ACTUAL sin of sodom that their own book clarifies is inhospitality to the outcasts and foreigners

    • @PugJesusOP
      link
      English
      382 months ago

      Then she’s still someone, just someone shitty.

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        02 months ago

        More likely someone scared and misinformed and has a bit of the old attitude polarization (which comes when not schooled on critical thinking.) We naked apes are smarter than the average hominid but with uncommon exception, not that much smarter.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          52 months ago

          No, there are plenty of women who actively reinforce hierarchy over egalitarianism for the same reason men do. They want to feel special in comparison and in competition to other members of their perceived cohort. A woman might feel extra powerful from the idea she was disadvantaged and became an oppressor herself.

          Or worse, she has the “temporarily embarrassed billionaire” or submissive perspective and reinforces the system at her own detriment because she doesn’t want to stick out and is angered by others sticking out as it would invalidate any progress she has made under the current regime.

      • Lemongrab
        link
        fedilink
        5
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        Theoretical a person, though I feel like anyone who is a Nazi loses their humanity.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          02 months ago

          This is always going to be thorny because it depends what you mean by personhood or humanity, or whatever term is being discussed.

          Some people view acknowledging that everyone possesses these innately and indelibly as akin to saying they’re an adequate or worthy person. Not unlike how some people get offended when you call really shitty art what it is - art (albeit shitty).

          I’m not going to defend Nazis, but I fall in the indelible camp. To me it’s like acknowledging that someone can feel pain. It’s just a matter of reality.

    • @AngryCommieKender
      link
      32 months ago

      The more I learn about Bellatrix, the more I pity her. Voldy never even saw her as a person, I honestly think that he cared more about Harry than he did her.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        22 months ago

        To be fair I too, would give more thoughts for my would-be downfall-bearer which is also a part of my soul than a work mate

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    4
    edit-2
    2 months ago

    Fucking country music lol. I live in northern Ontario and work with a bunch of old heads. They fuckin loooove that dumb song about someone’s daughter. These men don’t even see women as individuals. They literally see woman as someone’s daughter/wife/ex girlfriend. It’s fucked working with them sometimes. I’ve actually lost a job or two for my “woke” worldviews.

  • @Godric
    link
    32 months ago

    I fucking hate that song, but hey, if it makes just one shitsack pause and reconsider being a monster, just one time their two braincells rub together and fart out the thought “that’s someone’s daughter” to make them treat a woman like a person, fuck it, I’ll take it.

  • @Nuke_the_whales
    link
    12 months ago

    I think this person is missing the whole point of the original message

    • zea
      link
      fedilink
      92 months ago

      It feels uncomfortable constantly hearing people justify your value based on your relation to men. I know it doesn’t specify men, but let’s be honest, that’s what everyone thinks of. If you have good intentions, that’s good, but that doesn’t stop the implication that women are only valuable as they relate to men. Intentions do not factor into someone’s frustration hearing it for the millionth damn time! Until that phrase gets reclaimed, it’s gonna have that patriarchal association to most people.