Wait is this real? Fucking seriously? Israeli’s trotting around being racist as fuck, but any response is “antisemitism”?
That’s not an argument. Not every Israeli is a nazi. You can’t just go around beating up Isrealis because they’re from Israel. But yeah, it’s disgusting how they’re just constantly hiding behind antisemitism like it’s their get-out-of-jail-free-card
They got beat up because of what they said and their behavior, not because of where they were from.
So that makes it okay? I guess it does, because what is a soccer match without the traditional police interventions, amiright?!
If someone is being violent, I think it’s reasonable to answer that with violence contextually and in the moment. I don’t think it’s reasonable to track the person down later and ambush them.
Yeah, it is okay to meet a violent person with their own energy.
You can’t just go around beating up Isrealis because they’re from Israel
I’m mostly correcting you. That was not why they got beat up.
Although I never think violence is an appropriate response, it’s hard to find fault in someone that punches a nazi. I hold the same opinion for all pro-genocide groups.
They were ripping down Palestinian flags and picking fights. This is not just a few tourists getting assaulted because they looked Jewish. Reconsider your assumptions
The Dutch hooligans were literally picking up tourists from the street, asking them to show their passports to prove they weren’t Israeli. I’m up for a debate, but reconsider you tone!
Fair enough
No, they went around beating israelis who werechanting racist shit, damaging property and attacking dutch citizens.
https://youtube.com/shorts/wQixriV-wkY https://youtu.be/0SDlUVv-2w0 I cannot verify if the subtitles in the first video linked are accurate, but if so, it’s really disgusting, especially when they were guarded by cops while screaming the things they screamed. This doesn’t justify attacks on random israeli tourists if those happened, but also proves it’s not some coordinated antisemitic attack on jews, but rather outrage about behavior of some of them.
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I read a lot of stuff on Lemmy within the last year that was way over the top. I don’t know if it’s because this is the only comment below this post at the time of writing that I feel this way, but I am deeply disgusted. As a German knowing our European history very well, I find your comment very concerning.
Have you spent any time trying to understand the recent events that happened in Amsterdam? It seems like Israelis were the instigators and participating in despicable behavior, according to first-hand reports, but I’m absolutely open to being corrected - this is a developing story, afaik
I’ll admit I find comments blindly defending authoritarian racists advocating for an ongoing genocide deeply concerning, myself.
These are Israeli hooligans. They spent days terrorising the city, attacking buildings and beating up taxi drivers until people were fed up and fought back (because the police didn’t do anything). Now they’re playing the victim.
There’s plenty of Jews in Amsterdam that don’t get attacked on the daily.
Because for you all Jews are the same which they’re not, there are cunts like those guys, people who are not racist scum.
so you’re upset about civilians being attacked but you’re not upset about civilians being attacked?
which civilians deserve to be attacked?
I suppose the ones that aren’t holding your government hostage via the military industrial complex. If those Palestinians didn’t want to be bombed into oblivion they should have lobbied themselves up by their own bootstraps.
do you feel any cognitive dissonance condoning the attack of civilians for the actions of their genocidal countrymen while throwing up your hands in popular defense of civilians being attacked for the actions of their genocidal countrymen?
Honestly I don’t know enough to condone either ‘side’ here but I am reasonably confident in my own mind that this was not just taxi drivers looking for Jews to attack for no reason. I am open to being wrong there.
I wish there was no violence but I also believe that communities have the right to defend themselves. I can’t say if there is a moral winner in this whole situation.
Every American should learn about the so called zoot suit “riots”
White American sailors got in a fight with Mexican Americans. It’s unclear what started it but the following actions of American sailors provides good context. After the initial fight, sailors started to randomly target Mexican-Americans and jumping them. Of course, there was retaliation and it got really crazy - I won’t spoil it for anyone interested.
The reason I mention it is because it’s fascinating to see how media organizations like the LA Times covered it. They unanimously blamed “gangs” of Mexicans and didn’t blame demonstrably racist American sailors whatsoever - they were obviously brave patriots, and not you know fuckin fascists
I actually read about these because of the cherry poppin daddies song.
and I agree, you make a great point.
It was also 80+ years ago.
I mean, its relevant, just - things also change. Brave American Soldiers in 1943 was an easy sell.
Discrimination is bad, you should just kill all civilians equally
sounds weird when you strip away the cynicism
I honestly lost track of the layers of irony here. I don’t want Israelis to be harmed any more than Palestinians. I am under the impression the violence was defensive in nature which is hard to be upset about. If it wasn’t then I absolutely don’t condone it.
Theres another post here that says these soccer hooligans were chanting death to arabs.
