- A new patch is being quietly pushed to Windows 10 (and 11) PCs
- It’ll force upgrades in certain circumstances to keep the PC in support
- This update will mean more nag prompts coming to your PC
I’m going to upgrade to Ubuntu
Until the AI stuff I would have loved to get an upgrade. Now… Not so much. And good thing my computer doesn’t qualify due to their arbitrary standards.
Genuine question: why not try Linux? You’ll continue to get updates without the nagware. There are very few games I play that cant run on proton at this point.
Multiplayer gaming. I love games like Foxhole and they usually have a bit of trouble on Linux.
With my TPM chip off I do not qualify either, I guess at some point windows will upgrade without my intervention then be bricked, plz Proton make the 70 missing vr titles in my library work, you are my only hope!
We’ll see. I’ve set the Group policy to limit feature updates to Win 10 22H2. I will be unhappy if they over-ride or reset a GPO.
Can’t be nagged about Windows 11 if you never switched to SecureBoot.
Can’t be nagged about Windows 11 if you
never switched to SecureBoot.use Linux.ftfy
Not as bad as a recent security patch which unexpectedly upgraded Windows Server 2022 to 2025 causing at least a few outages I know about for our clients.
And when you try to install, they’ll say “no you can’t, get a new computer”
Microsoft is really in to the Year of Linux Desktop thing
as per usual, Microsoft remains the biggest advertiser to Linux
Makes sense, they are a big contributor to the kernel
How is it gonna nag me to upgrade to Windows 11 when I don’t have a TPM?
I’d love to upgrade, the system is completely capable of running it, but because it doesn’t have a useless bit of hardware I can’t. Fuck em.
It’s not useless. It will enable MS to build the walled garden they want, where you are forced to use the software they permit you to and nothing else.
Euh… How? Coming from somebody that has a dualboot system with tpm and secure boot lol
simple, Linux.
Mine said I couldn’t upgrade because of the no TPM thing. Turns out it’s just off by default on a lot of mobos.
Secondly, there’s a program called Rufus that can create a bootable flash drive with Windows 11 but removes stuff like the TPM requirements, the need for Microsoft account sign in, all the bad stuff etc
I’d been avoiding it for a year until I learned about Rufus but now that I’ve installed it, you know what? Without all the bloat, it’s a fucking smooth OS. Really excellent multitasking windows and fast too
Lemmy shits on it because “muh Linux” but if you install it right, it’s fucking excellent for the vast, vast majority of people
Yup, even though I’m 95% linux now, I realized that having a debloated windows on a separate drive for a small handful of stuff was easier than trying to make it work on Bazzite.
but if you install it right
Basically eliminates the vast majority of people who don’t have the technical knowledge to deal with Rufus
True, it’s as difficult as plugging in a flash drive and clicking three things
Your average yank can’t attempt to tie their shoes without accidentally committing genocide lol stay away from installing operating systems
as difficult as plugging in a flash drive
That’s a gross over-simplification
They have to
- Download the windows ISO
- How do you find the original ISO and not a cracked one?
- Get instructions to modify the ISO
- Hope you get the right set of instructions from a genuine website
- Download Rufus and install
- Make backup of their data
- Hope you disabled Bitlocker also
- Reboot and press the F? key to change boot order (F? varies from system to system)
- How do you even find the right key for this?
- Follow the installation process
One of the reasons Linux is not widespread is because following these “simple” instructions is too much for an average user. So I doubt a Windows user will be bothered to modify their OS. I have installed different variants of Linux 100s of time and even I need to check online if their are any hidden gotchas.
Exactly. You’d get your family “computer person” to do it.
If they care about the OS you want to use, they’ll upgrade to W11 this way.
If they’re obnoxious, self congratulatory Linux users, they’ll try to force you onto an OS you don’t understand
Which is better for the average person?
- Download the windows ISO
My only gripe with Windows 11 is how it constantly puts in crap I don’t like without my permission and I’ll have to spend time to remove it.
Other than that and the incoherent UI philosophy, the OS is pretty smooth.
No, just familiarity what you’re sold on.
Rufus is the first (and only) program I install on Windows =]
You use Edge? Why?
Was a bit tongue in cheek. Edge can download Linux. Rufus puts it on a USB stick, and goodbye Windows. Then, I can use my computer.
We shit on it because you need a crack to make it work properly in the first place.
I don’t use linux for my desktop either though because my computer is a tool, not a hobby.
Don’t you want the best tool for the job?
Yup, that’s why I got a Mac. It works perfectly out of the box, no rugged edges apps, no drivers/hw concerns, excellent battery time. Best UNIX laptop for the time being.
I give you as main flaws the cost and the irreparability of the hardware and maybe missing out on a few games but that is probably a tie with Linux, since it runs the same emulators/transcoder if needed.
maybe missing out on a few games but that is probably a tie with Linux
As some one who runs both: no, not even close. Mac has more direct ports than Linux true, but proton vastly outweighs that. I have dozens of games that show up on steam on my mac as unplayable where as I dont have any that wont run under proton.
Five years ago you’d probably have been right, but Linux is far superior to OSX for gaming now.
(E: assuming you’re talking about an apple silicon macbook, IDK the status of proton on x86 macs maybe it works there?)
I’ll give you that as I honestly don’t care much about games so I don’t know much. I’ve read somewhere that apple has a game porting toolkit similar to proton and whisky was good enough the one time I wanted to launch a windows one but I don’t know if it’s any good.
If they keep this up when are they going to offer to buy me a new PC for the new OS?
Yes, it’ll be part of the subscription package. Similar to your phone.
They won’t, but they bought me a brand new shiny copy of Linux Mint.
I’ll keep running W10 on my current machine, but when I build the next one I’m very seriously considering going Linux. My only concern is that many of the software I use regularly don’t have Linux versions.
And also every piece of software you use in Linux has to have some form of backing from the community or it dies. That said there have been well supported softwares over the years that are still here with us and support everything you did with them for 20 years or longer. Sometimes you just gotta open an old file with an old version of the software so you can bring it up to date.
I’m just saying that the software is different, does different things, Acts differently and is differently supported than windows. It also does differently. As an example or recent memory…scyncthing, the crazy cool backup thing is now “dead” because nobody gave money to the developer and he got tired of putting up with Google and Android. Scyncthing-fork came from it and who knows if anyone is going to keep using that. I’m migrating to a gui-less tool called rsync. Yeah, stuff can die overnight. But it keeps running for a few years, you just gotta remember to jump ship ⚓🚢. Linux is for those who like the adventure or support the software.
Wait what, Syncthing is dead? But it’s what I use!
Only the android client, just use the fork I think he updated before the official one did anyway. Still it’s another case of Google constantly changing the rules on developers for no reason.
I know, surprise!
Why not timeshift?
I wanna do that ngl same concern.
But I managed to run affinity on wine which is great.
Microsoft: Our computer.
Microsoft: your computer, my choice
Capitalize the computer, socialize your hardware.
Normies dont see an issuesz the merchant is much obliged
M$oft: “Your hardware, my computer”
I am very glad I moved to Linux full time
Despite what everyone told me on message boards about lack of support for Adobe products and CAD software… somehow I’ve been really successful on linux-only for many many years now.
It’s really nice. Remember when your computer was actually yours? You choose what apps to install, what configuration you want, and who you share your data with? Those dreams are alive with Linux: Not just for nerds anymore.
Despite what everyone told me on message boards about lack of support for Adobe products and CAD software…
Do you know something I don’t? I can get away with running Affinity software through wine instead of Adobe, but the only good CAD option is running OnShape in your browser, but then you have to deal with the terrible licensing model of OnShape
What did you end up using for CAD? qCAD?
I’ve been wanting to learn but all of my peers in school learned on AutoCAD.
Bro istg if I reboot my windows separate ssd and it’s windows 11 am fully gonna use Linux
Stuff like this is why I disabled the TPM on my computer. No TPM means that you’re “not eligible” for 11, meaning I don’t get nagged by the random full screen pop-ups.
I updated my bios at some point and it turned on the TPM again, be careful! When I got an update window and quite the shock, I added a group policy to block the update as a backup.
Disabling secure key storage is a weird hill to die on but ok
10 is the last version of Windows I’ll be using, and I don’t want to have more full screen ads for 11 pop up on top of whatever program I’m trying to use. The previous time it happened is what prompted me to do it in the first place, and I’m definitely not gonna let them force update my Windows version like they’ve done in the past.
The nagging to pay for the OneDrive subscription is something I would only see on trashy websites full of ads. I guess that’s what Windows has become.
Google is the same. Every time I open the stock gallery app instead of the FOSS one it nags me to enable backups for my photos. And I know if I do I will be forced to pay their subscription.
Well you won’t be forced, but they will take your gmail hostage since all Gapps share the same 15gb now.
A trashy website full of ads, that’s the most accurate description of Windows indeed. Nice.
I figured to turn on one drive for my business user account as I was using two computers.
Then I decided, that I didn’t want it to sync the documents folder since I don’t really use it.
The settings told me that it can’t stop syncing the desktop, pictures, or documents folders because they had critical files or something like that.
I just signed out of OneDrive and the problem was solved.
If it was so critical why does everything work after signing out?
I fucking hate using windows.
