Singapore conducted its first execution of a woman in 19 years on Friday and its second hanging this week for drug trafficking despite calls for the city-state to cease capital punishment for drug-related crimes.
Singapore hanging its weight on an antiquated, inhumane justice system while the world evolves towards rehabilitative models is downright disturbing. Death penalties for drug offenses are an archaic, blunt instrument to tackle a complex issue, punishing the vulnerable pawns rather than the kingpins of the trade.
What is it with sea and fear of drugs?
Nobody is forcing you to sell drugs in Singapore…
No one is forcing Singapore to execute those who the rest of the world views at petty criminals.
We’re not talking about drug kingpins here.
So? Singapore doesn’t want any drugs in the country, and put up draconian laws. Just don’t break those laws.
If I tell you that I will brutally murder you if you come to my house wearing a red tie, and you do that… Your death is at least partly on you. Because you had absolutely no good reason to do that.
There is absolutely no positive outcome to selling or consuming heroin. Just don’t do it. It’s not a hard rule to follow…
All I take from what you’re saying is that it is easy for you to morally justify murdering someone that you don’t know, much less harmed you.
That’s because that’s literally exactly what this commenter is stating, and nothing else. They leave a reasonable person no choice but to judge them as bloodthirsty and heartless
Well that is an interesting point of view to be sure… I would say the onus of the death lays entirely on the person deciding to apply monumental force against a petty issue.
I think you’re lost. Fascists aren’t really too welcome on Lemmy to my knowledge.
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And thus I wouldn’t do it if I 100% knew that doing that would lead to my death…
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30 grams of pure heroin are certainly not a personal dose…
Nobody is forcing you to lack empathy and common sense.
31 grams , are they serious ? Are there no other crimes in singapore now ?
31 grams of pure heroin. I think it’s worth mentioning.
While Singapore has doled severe punishments for possession of paltry amounts of cannabis in the past, the drug in this particular case is incomparable to weed.
I truckload of heroin is not worth the death penalty.
I’m not saying it is. I simply meant that heroin being a far more potent drug, the minimum amount that qualifies you for SG’s draconian punishment is lower. That minimum amount being roughly half of what this woman was caught with, ie, at 16gms IIRC.
I believe you’re taking your anger out on the wrong person here. I didn’t make those laws, I wouldn’t have. But it is what it is, and from what I’ve seen on the internet, most Singaporeans seem to be either apathetic to it or in support of it given their history with opium.
I wasn’t mad and especially not mad at you. If I was mad at anything it was at Singapore for killing a person over possession of ANYTHING. So no worries. 😀
I know you were making the distinction between the pure drug and cut street drug which can be quite different.
We’re in agreement, then. It’s a shame that the woman was straight up executed for such a tiny amount over the limit. I bet most of us couldn’t even feel that 15 grams of difference if placed on our palms. But that’s how it is in SG despite us outsiders wishing for a less than lethal judgement, and they do try to warn people of the consequences of possession at every step of the way to that country. So the onus is, to an extent, on the visitors as well to protect themselves.
I watched a few vids in the past where random Singaporeans were asked what they thought of the capital punishment and while most agreed it was severe, they also said it made sense considering their country was hamstrung by widespread opium addiction in the past. Unfortunate, but if the Singaporeans themselves don’t push for the change, it’s unlikely to happen anytime soon.
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Government sanctioned murder is still murder.
And in no way am I denying it. I thought it was imperative to mention the type of drug alongside the dose since heroin has a lower minimum amount you can be caught with and still walk away. She wouldn’t have been executed for 31 grams of weed.
I merely added info from the article that was missing on the OP’s comment, I don’t necessarily agree with SG’s laws.
Barbarians.
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Theocracy everyone
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Lovely place to be…
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How did they execute the woman?
“Singapore hangs first woman in 19 years”
I think they shot her.
Nah, I’m pretty sure they used a lethal injection.
JFC.
Biased title. Why should gender matter in law? This is a blatant attempt to tug at emotions. And they try to focus on ‘31 grams’ instead of ‘a year’s supply’. Take that clickbait back to reddit.
Edit since a lot of people think I’m discussing the sentencing. I’m not, I’m discussing the article itself. My reasoning:
Why I find the headline objectionable:
- Emphasis on gender. Why does it matter that she’s female, or how long is it’s been since the last woman was executed? Is it any more or less significant / objectionable than a man being sentenced to the same thing? It’s not trying to make some sort of analysis about gender trends, so I can only assume it’s a device to invoke emotions.
- Choice of wording about the quantity. ‘A year’s supply’ would have made it very obvious to anybody browsing that this was not a casual user. Instead they went with the less accessible amount in grams, which makes it seem to those unfamiliar with drugs like it was a tiny bust.
Combined, the headline seems to be pushing a specific agenda, which I find deplorable (the covertness, not the agenda).
Are you an incel by any means? Because clearly if its a women, the title will obviously be that. If it was a man, it wouldve been that. Keep your incelish shit somewhere else man.
It’s incelish to point out a headline is exploiting gender politics for clicks? Ok.
I’m not sure you know what an incel is, BTW. Here’s the definition for your reference: “a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile towards women and men who are sexually active.”
Now tell me which part of my statement is hostile towards women, or in any way at all related to sexuality. You’re merely using the term as a hammer against viewpoints you disagree with.
Using the word “female” instead of woman is often considered an incel kinda thing to do.
Yes, but they didn’t.
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I’m not discussing the morality of the punishment. I’ll refer you to my other comment here:
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/262280/Singapore-hangs-first-woman-in-19-years-after-she-was#entry-comment-1186793
Yeah the message should boil down to state kills person. That’s barbaric as it is.
Perhaps so. I’m not discussing the morality of death sentences, just the BS clickbait here
Clickbait? It’s literally Associated Press
Does the source matter when I’ve already pointed out what’s wrong with the headline?
It’s Associated Press, there’s an actual news article in the link that you can read that tells the story, plus the headline isn’t even clickbait, it’s literally telling you what happened. I’m confused as to why you would think saying what happened is clickbait? Could you elaborate?
My original comment contains details from the article, so I’m not sure why you think I haven’t read it.
Why I find the headline objectionable:
- Emphasis on gender. Why does it matter that she’s female, or how long is it’s been since the last woman was executed? Is it any more or less significant / objectionable than a man being sentenced to the same thing? It’s not trying to make some sort of analysis about gender trends, so I can only assume it’s a device to invoke emotions.
- Choice of wording about the quantity. ‘A year’s supply’ would have made it very obvious to anybody browsing that this was not a casual user. Instead they went with the less accessible amount in grams, which makes it seem to those unfamiliar with drugs like it was a tiny bust.
Combined, the headline seems to be pushing a specific agenda, which I find deplorable (the covertness, not the agenda).
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The emphasis on gender is simply a state of fact; most women are trafficked into this kind of work against their will, so she literally is a victim here and being executed for it. We all have emotions, unless you’re a zombie you will feel for something in this world. You can not enact the “emotions” excuse for any article that tells a deeply troubling or terrible story or describes a terrible event happening that shouldn’t happen.
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No one is arguing here she’s the user, she’s the victim of trafficking. The quantity described comes from the backwards organization doing the executions to begin with, so it’s irrelevant what the quantity is, it could be 50000 millenia worth of heroin, she has no choice to do this work. Basic human rights is an agenda we can all get behind, and I would certainly hope we push more of it into countries like Singapore to get them to stop abusing fundamental human rights
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