If you compared this to humans … the hording human would be guarding a pile of bananas the size of Mount Everest
A pile of bananas to the moon
With 1500 other idiot chimps helping him guard it and call it “true ape nation”.
But they’re also paying an army of traitor chimps decked out in paramilitary gear.
And if somebody does somehow build a rival force to take the bananas, nothing truly changed it’s just the same system with different apes in the same amount, or actually even worse than the first system which was built upon individual representation which could easily be lost.
People downvoting you do not know much history, and believe only what they want to.
I’m thinking they’re about a dozen short of 1500
Human society has never truly changed. This is literally what our civilization was built on.
Completely disagree. Anthropologic evidence from the past and knowledge gained by studying current primitive tribes suggest that there was much greater equity in our past.
We’re kinda like in between chimpanzees and bonobos. We started off more like bonobos but as history marches on we become more like chimpanzees.
Maybe it comes and goes.
Because the fact that the majority of civilizations fought and killed each other throughout known history kinda tells me we’ve been at this game for a while now.
And I feel like only in the last 20-30 years have we decided - hey, maybe that’s not so cool anymore?
Perhaps. I mean yeah the history of humanity over the past 2000 years has been brutal. But we go back much farther than that.
I have a real problem with you saying that in the last 20-30 years humanity has chilled out. We’ve got multiple genocides going on, constant religious conflict, land war in Europe. The United States is so fucked I can’t even begin to list the reasons why, and it’s on the brink of some really bad things.
How many people can you kill with a club? How many people can you kill with a sword? How many people can you kill with a gun? How many people can you kill with a cluster bomb?
I found “The Better Angels of Our Nature” interesting and well-researched, it changed my opinion on this.
Presence of genocide isn’t really an argument against it having chilled out. Empires were born and died all the time in the past, genocides were standard practice by legions, nations consuming each other through war was a constant.
France has been involved in over 200 wars in its history.
Things are different now. Borders being unstable make international headlines. Aggressors in conflicts fact opposition from the entire world even if the defender is a minor state like Ukraine.
Before industrialized agriculture, the Human Population never breached a billion. In the past there was not equity, there was mass starvation for many ruled over by an aristocracy whose only major contribution was organizing militaries to either take food from others or prevent their own food from being taken. All over the world it was common to sell your children because you could not feed them.
Nowadays, violence is simply something optional for despots to entertain themselves, rather than a necessity.
Dude, I’m just trying to sit here and eat some Oreos.
(Copying my comment on a similar, older post, because I really want to share this info again since I think it’s fascinating:)
The notion that the early formation of societies was based on security rather than empathy is outdated. Compassion has many evolutionary advantages, especially in primate species where offspring are born vulnerable. It’s clearly evident in other primates who live in groups (or ‘societies’), as a driving force of cooperation and group cohesion.
Here’s a recent paper (2022) by Penny Spikins, PhD at the University of York, Department of Archaeology, that explores how compassion shaped early human evolution and the formation of societies: The Evolutionary Basis for Human Empathy, Compassion and Generosity.
And here’s another from 2011 by Goetz et al that explores in detail the evolutionary advantages of compassion: Compassion: An Evolutionary Analysis and Empirical Review.
Those papers are both fascinating reads, and I highly recommend them for a deeper understanding of why and how empathy is crucial to our success as a species.
(For a couple of centuries, the narrative has been humans are warlike and that’s what dominated our development, but that’s simply not true. We’ve been that way for the past couple thousand years, but largely not before that. I’ll leave up to the reader what significant ‘development’ coincided with that shift in our overall behaviour.)
Good points, and great articles. Thank you.
Mt Everest is anywhere near large enough to describe their greed.
Here’s just an American example, it’s worse when you think globally. The mean US net worth is 192k, the richest person’s net worth is 449 billion. That’s 2,338,000X the mean US net worth. Everest is 29000 feet tall, that’s 80 Everest’s tall. Aka, mean net worth is a foot, and this fuck owns 80 Everest’s.
My Everest is anywhere near large enough to describe their greed.
Our Everest
Thanks, too many typos…
Our typos
Don’t think you can stack 2.4 million bananas on top of each other. By volume you’d need like 10^16 bananas to form everest
No, I want to believe Donkey Kong is an ape of the people and not an hoarding bananaist
Well, he throws barrels at people, so…
Is that how luigi hurt himself?
I thought canonically it was the whole island’s vault of bananas in Donkey Kong country.
People often quote RATM’s “some of those who work work forces are the same who burn crosses.” It’s informative.
They have other, inspirational quotes, too:
“Can’t waste a day when the night brings a hearse, so make a move and plead the fifth cuz ya can’t plead the first.”
and
“Return the power to the have-nots, and take a shot.”
A mass of hands press on the market window
Ghosts of progress, dressed in slow death
Feeding on hunger and glaring through the promise
Upon the food that rots slowly in the aisle
A mass of nameless at the oasis
That hides the graves beneath the master’s hill
Are buried for drinking the rivers water while
Shackled to the the line at the empty well
The world is my expense
The cost of my desire
Jesus blessed me with its future
And I protect it with fire
So raise your fists
And march around
Don’t dare take what you need
I’ll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or I’ll drag you to your grave
I’m deep inside your children
They’ll betray you in my name
Sleep now in the fire
The fucking Family Guy pose lmao
Lol I knew that looked familar but couldn’t place it
FGDP
I bet Luigi did it.
Luigi is a patsy. It was probably Waluigi
Toadette.
It was obviously Diddy
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They really are just like us.
No they’re not … when one of them hordes all food, everyone else rebels and either beats up the horder or kills them so that everyone can get food.
When we humans have a horder in our group, we give them a gold crown, call them smart and protect them at all cost, even if most of us are starving.
It really makes you wonder which one is the more intelligent ape species.
we humans
Don’t blame it on the species, it’s bourgeois nation states you’re talking about. Despite of what Thatcher, Reagan and others want us to believe, there actually are alternatives. A stateless society wouldn’t allow this behavior but would much rather act as in the cartoon. The Dawn Of Everything is a good book about this.
You gotta name some examples there. I like what Bernie Sanders is putting down, a socialist democracy. Pure socialism doesn’t work though, you have to depend on everyone being good people.
You might have heard of the tragedy of the commons. It’s long since debunked, even the wikipedia article includes Solutions. The TLDR is that people are willing to follow rules and “police” each other once they are included in the process of creating the rules. It isn’t necessary that everyone is a good person, you just need a critical mass and a culture that sanctions selfish behavior instead of promoting is as ours does. SRSLY WRONG has a good podcast episode about commons
You got some countries that it has worked long term?
Ostrom helped disprove the idea held by economists that natural resources would be over-used and destroyed in the long run. Elinor Ostrom disproved this idea by conducting field studies on how people in small, local communities manage shared natural resources, such as pastures, fishing waters in Maine and Indonesia, and forests in Nepal. She showed that when natural resources are jointly managed by their users, in time, rules are established for how these are to be cared for and used in a way that is both economically and ecologically sustainable.
For a deeper dive watch this video or the afore mentioned podcast episode.
She showed that when natural resources are jointly managed by their users, in time, rules are established for how these are to be cared for and used in a way that is both economically and ecologically sustainable.
Until one tech bro or finance guy comes along. So no countries then. Don’t you think in the last hundreds of years of recorded history that you could have come up with one?
The Dawn Of Everything
Fascinating! I’m looking up details of the book now and I’ll probably read it … thanks for the recommendation.
So simple. We are actually the dumbest primates.
The invention of tools and eminent domain.
