• @Dkarma
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    So hear me out.

    Just imagine all those rabid murrica guns guns guns types…

    What if they actually found out trump was a fraud who actually doesn’t give a shit about and is actively hurting America?

    You think they’ll get less bang bang cuz it’s trump??? Lol

    • @RememberTheApollo_
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      The thing is they want someone worse. Trump isn’t hurting people enough. In their America they do want people being hurt in the liberal America, so they’re not hurting the Real America™️ that they live in. That’s why they’re upset.

  • @Bacano
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    My guess is that certain idolizers of orange saw the blatant oligarchical cabinet choices, particularly with Elmo and hit some heavy cognitive dissonance. The truck symbolism is right there.

    Most people can clearly see he’s always been pro-corporate and fuck-you-working class.

    The cognitive dissonance from anyone who’s been outright worshipping him and has opened their eyes must be straight up torture.

    Even magatts are operating on the following when it comes to their political consent: “what leadership will cause the most opportunity for peace for me and my loved ones”

    • @ikidd
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      I think you’re giving them way too much credit.

      • @Bacano
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        Maggat types have been noted as having a higher proclivity towards in-group thinking, so, to your point, the methods for obtaining peace can be twisted into believing that the out group is the root of the problem.

        Think of them as fellow working class with a slight (at times severe) gullability disability if that helps. One class. Working class.

  • @aseriesoftubes
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    How long until the right starts claiming that he was a trans immigrant?

  • @[email protected]
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    Everyone here has some good guesses but hear me out:

    This was the maga equivalent of a viking funeral.

    • qprimed
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      that Rambo died in a boxoffice fire between 1982 and 1985.

    • @[email protected]
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      Yeah that struck me, it’s literally the first time I’ve ever heard someone referred to as a “Rambo-type.”

      I maybe saw parts of the first Rambo 30 years ago, but I honestly can’t remember. This reference means very little to me other than “jacked mumbling idiot with a big machine gun.”

      • @shalafi
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        273 days ago

        Watch First Blood again. It’s a classic for a reason.

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          First Blood ia really the only one to watch. Maybe the second movie. But First Blood was supposed to end with his suicide. So I like to think all the rest of them are a fever dream.

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          Will do, I’m curious about it now. Tbh I’ve never found Stallone particularly compelling, but the more I think about it, the more I’m sure I only saw bits and pieces when I was young. Deserves a full watch.

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            First blood was based on a book. It’s pretty grounded. He’s not disintegrating heads with a machine gun. He’s just a vet walking through town.

          • @[email protected]
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            First Blood is excellent. It’s not action schlock like the rest. It is absolutely worth your watch as an adult.

      • @[email protected]
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        72 days ago

        Give it a watch, and enjoy the honoring of the Mujahedeen! The first one was literally dedicated to the peeps we now know as the Taliban.

        • @bigschnitz
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          The first one where he was a drifter somewhere in the Pacific Northwest getting taunted by cops? I think you mean the 2nd or 3rd.

  • Mossy Feathers (She/They)
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    What a strange occurrence. I wonder what sent him over the edge. Based on everything said, it makes it sound like this was hastily done in the spur of the moment. Did his wife divorce him? Did he suddenly become disillusioned with Trump?

    • @Windex007
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      The article (if you’re past the paywall) does seem to point to that. Except it wouldn’t be the wife, but instead fiance.

      • @[email protected]
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        What is going on with men that there’s this reverse saved by the prince(ss) narrative happening so much now? Waiting to be saved by a Knight in Shining Armor (from a crappy or mediocre life) was an expectation we had to spend years on breaking in women. And now we’re seeing it in men.

        “If I could just find someone…” everything in existence will then be ok. (Or it’ll be mostly the same and you’ll be unreasonably expecting too much of a partner who will then leave you because you failed to work on your personal crap.)

        How little is there in your life that you have nothing else to do but to get outwardly violent? How few coping skills are being taught as we grow up that there’s no self rescuing here?

        Granted, there’s destruction aimed inward (suicide) and then there’s destruction that wants to take some of life with you when you go. The latter could be seen as an extension of the former, sure. But it’s not an either or thing, many people keep on keeping on without ever going to either.

        • @Windex007
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          My theory:

          A lot of people are hitting mid-life from the first western generation significantly less well-off than their parents. They grew up with expectations set by their environment which they’re now realizing isn’t realistic at all. It’s not really their fault for having those expectations, it was a reality they witnessed with their own eyes.

          I think this fairly nebulous anxiety over the disconnect between expectation and reality is the root cause of a lot of various flavours of anti-social behavior. It’s just a roulette spin of who they end up blaming.

          Andrew Tate misogyny, MAGA fascism, Xenophobia, Anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, full-on neo nazis etc etc, I think the surprising uptake of these otherwise fringe ideas are just people subconsciously grasping for explanation of why the world (and by extension their lives) “just isn’t right”.

          So yah, layer than onto regular mid-life crises, it’s a powder keg.

          And I think this is where so much MAGA support comes from. They heavily lean into acknowledgement that things AREN’T good. They’re BAD. You’re NOT CRAZY for thinking they’re FUCKED, and the urgency you feel is APPROPRIATE.

          In the US at least, it’s the right offering radical change. It’s fucking idiotic change guaranteed to blow up in your face before the leopards come to chew it off… but goddamnit it’s radical. It at least matches the energy level of the angst. The Dems are offering piecemeal incremental bland realistic changes that while certainly for the better, they won’t rock the boat too hard.

          • Drusas
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            We were told that if we went and got a college degree, we would have a well-paying, decent (which is to say, doesn’t treat us like crap) job out the door and that the degree would pay for itself within a few years.

            We were told this over and over and over again, and that, if you went for any other path, you were a fuckup.

            What a scam it was.

            • @[email protected]
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              We were told this over and over and over again, and that, if you went for any other path, you were a fuckup.

              What a scam it was.

              Even worse, I’m not even sure what to counsel my son to do now that he’s out of high school. It was absolutely a lie, but yet I also go to a job every day where I’m surrounded by people (including myself) in jobs that list “4 year degree in blah blah blah” as the first requirement in their job description. Everyone I know has a job that says that. And yet I also know the loan debt problem is a real problem.

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            I’d also add that IMO, it’s also heavily caused by misalignment of social network personalization algorithms. It’s very probable that someone developed a ML algorithm during the early years of FB/YT/Google (not LLM, just some kind of feedbacky ML), that takes data they have about you as input, and selects what posts to show you next to maximize your time spent scrolling on the app.

            You have unimaginable amount of data (with literally billions of active users), and it could’ve been running and getting better for the last decade.

            The algorithm gets better and better at gluing you to the screen, at manipulating and changing people. My theory is that one of the best ways how to keep someone glued to a social network is radicalization and introduction into a conspiraci theory. It probably removes you from “normal” people around you IRL, because you’re now wierd, you feel smart because you’ve “figured out the truth”, you don’t spend time with people around you or read “traditional” media, because they are lying and don’t get you, and the only safe space you have is the echo chamber on the social network. That sounds like a pretty good recipe how to keep people interacting on the platform, and there’s not really a way how to prevent it, assuming it’s a ML algorithm driving it. No one knows how it works, and it only works with one goal - maximize app time at all costs.

            Just take a look how good some ML models are at the task of “text -> image”. Now imagine it has billions of people and a decade to experiment, with a task “person -> next content to show”. It’s horrifying to think about what it would be able to manipulate you into, and it is even better at it that the image models, because it had exponentially more data and room to experiment in real time on real people.

            Also - there’s no way how to fight back. Even if you know about it, there are tens of thousands people like you, who are also “immune” to this approach. But the ML algorithm gets to experiment on them, and if there is a way how to manipulate even them, it will figure it out. Because it knows what approach won’t work on people like you. The only way you can prevent this is by not using anything that has a personalized feed - no Google search, no FB wall, no YT recommendations, etc. This probably doesn’t lead to radicalization in this case, because the goal is to keep you in the app, not radicalize. For now, at least. Thankfully, people managing the biggest social networks are reasonable people who are just running a business, and they have no reason to change the goal of the algorithm into something else than screen time, right?

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            The Dems are offering piecemeal incremental bland realistic changes that while certainly for the better, they won’t rock the boat too hard.

            Hell, the Dems aren’t really offering that, either. They are offering just enough to placate the masses, while still shoveling money into the pockets of billionaires.

            ie, Dems are still offering bread and circuses, while the GOP is offering gladiator battles.

          • Drusas
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            And I think this is where so much MAGA support comes from. They heavily lean into acknowledgement that things AREN’T good. They’re BAD. You’re NOT CRAZY for thinking they’re FUCKED, and the urgency you feel is APPROPRIATE.

            I think you’re right that this is a big part of it. Most people seem to have some degree of understanding that they are fucked. But they don’t know how to express it or what to do about it. The Republicans play on that inner anxiety, but the Democrats try to steer away from it. I don’t want to say that the Democrats should be playing on people’s anxieties the way the Republicans do, but it clearly works politically.

            • @[email protected]
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              I don’t want to say that the Democrats should be playing on people’s anxieties the way the Republicans do, but it clearly works politically.

              The Dems most certainly should be shouting from the rooftops, that things are f’d, and the way to fix them is via radical, progressive, working class-focused policies.

              What we get instead is “How about some more trickle down economics? We’ll call it Bidenomics, this time, though. And, we’ll toss in some lite genocide. Does that make you happy now?”

          • @shalafi
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            God. Damn. That is well said. And more succinct than I ever said it.

          • @[email protected]
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            Well stated. But it still doesn’t explain why blowing up a bunch of strangers as you suicide out is the pick of the day.

            • @Windex007
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              Yeah I kinda glanced off that…

              I think that’s always been “on the menu” for people who are deeply unhappy and can’t figure out who to blame. “Going postal” isn’t a new concept.

              I don’t expect the biggest factor to be an increase of the likelihood that a mentally anguished person will decide to mass-murder-suicide-by-cop, I think that the pool of mentally anguished people has just grown so much.

        • misterdoctor
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          I’m sure that generation after generation neglecting men’s mental health hasn’t helped

          • @CharlesDarwin
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            I do think that boomers were one of the first generations to take a step in addressing it in some way. At least that is my impression from watching TV/movies; no boomers I was close to had the kind of income/insurance that would pay for therapists. Prior generations seem just have their men suffer in utter silence or be declared un-men.

            I’m Gen X, I knew of a few people that were getting therapy/medication, but they were considered problem children by their parents/teachers/administrators. I don’t know if they continued, and I don’t know how many generations since have fared. I think there has been some efforts to shelter people more, but I don’t know what kind of coping mechanisms people have when mom and dad are no longer there to shield them from life.

            There seems to be few healthy (group) outlets for men to really turn to, though. Lots of things seem to get sublimated into spending of one kind or another - working on cars/trucks, guns, grilling meat, golf, are deemed acceptable if done on the weekend. Maybe a little bit of games. But most of these activities tend to be rather surface. Men tend to have less friends than women, and they really encouraged to cultivate them, in my experience (and societal norms seem to reflect this and/or reinforce this from what I can tell).

            Michael Moore pointed this out over two decades ago, even if it was not gendered - the mass decline in activities like bowling, civic engagement, etc…was quite evident long before the Columbine shooting…

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          I don’t know, but I suspect it’s a combo of the following:

          No great options for being successful (it’s a lot of luck), suppression of all sorts of things such as mental health, toxic tribalism, and options for people (internet dating, friend groups, and more openness about sexuality different from the “norms”).

    • @jaybone
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      Others were speculating this was possibly an accident. Like he was going to go party in the desert with his fireworks and the gas can was leaking. Is that off the table now?

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        Considering he shot himself in the head before the bomb went off, yeah, I’d say that’s off the table.

  • Norgoroth
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    Typical trump loving coward