New GOP bill would let Trump (but not Obama) run for a third term [another source]
How about we drop it down to one term only for anyone
Americans are just letting these guys touch them right in the constitution.
It’s so wild after all those lies about freedom and the right choice.
It would still have to get through the Senate and 38ish State Legislatures. This isn’t a serious thing.
It’s never serious until it is.
Not really. There’s no way this passes. The constitutional amendment process is too complicated even for broadly popular ideas to get through. Anything blatantly partisan like this is DOA.
There’s some other novel legal theories (read: dumb as shit, but our Supreme Court might let it through, anyway) on how Trump could bypass the constitutional term limits, but I doubt even those will work.
I’m just waiting for the Supreme Court to declare part of the Constitution unconstitutional.
Oh they already did.
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Wasn’t there also something in the constitution about insurrection…? Yeah… I don’t think they care about it.
The issue with that one was tangled up with “what is an insurrection, anyway?”. Most of the other presidential requirements have zero room for interpretation, including this one. States wouldn’t even put him on the ballot.
Can’t they reverse tickets next time so he’s running mate to Vance, then on Jan 22 Vance falls out a window and Bobs your Uncle. Trump gets his third term but was only ever elected twice
No. The 12th Amendment specifies that “… no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.” If you already served two terms as President, you aren’t eligible to be Vice President.
Yeah, I guess it’s the wrong order
Americans are just letting these guys touch them right in the constitution
If you have any ideas on how to stop them (that doesn’t violate Lemmy tos or get you put on a watch list) please share it.
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Why won’t the Republicans push for an actual Republic in the image of the original “Res Publica”? Two presidents, each with the power of veto over the other, each elected for one year at a time with no ability to serve two years in a row*. I’m not saying it would be a better system, but it would be more fun than whatever other bullshit they’re cooking up.
*The exceptions are notable for being exceptional, thus proving that the rule existed otherwise.
Can’t happen
Congress: A two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate is required
Constitutional convention: Two-thirds of state legislatures must call for a convention
Ratification
Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment
Each state legislature must vote on the amendment in an up-or-down vote
State legislatures cannot change the language of the amendment
This bill is DOA, it’s just (more) political theater
If anything it’s an admission of the realization that Trump won’t be able to accomplish much of anything in just 4 years at the pace government functions
You’re a lot more optimistic than I am that they’ll actually follow the rules, even in how to change the rules…
Now do abortion…oh wait
THEY SAID THEY EXACT SAME THING THEN
Hitler didn’t become dictator by playing by the rules. Why do you think Trump will?
Hitler burned down the German Congress. Trump will do something similar if he can.
Basically our only hope is if the CIA, FBI, secret service, and us armed forces refuse his orders. Step 1 will be putting his cronies in positions of power and firing anyone who stands up to him.
Our only hope is that they refuse the firing and take over their respective office, that employees are loyal to them and not Trump. Specifically this is most important in the us armed forces among the generals. But then our best case scenario is a civil war.
Civil war or dictatorship is on the horizon and there is no stopping it.
He already replaced the leader of the Coast Guard. That’s how you start. It’s already happening people. Recognize.
Now that Hegseth is in, the Joint Chiefs will be key. You can assume that anybody with a high enough rank to be a Joint Chief will have tended to vote Republican, but the current bunch would be dead set against using the military to fire on American civilians on American soil. They’ll be kicked out, but the Senate needs to confirm the new batch. That’s the fight that needs to have the monkey wrench thrown in.
That’s kind of a separate thought. The topic here is the specific amendment, which will not happen. If he somehow establishes himself in that manner, it won’t have anything to do with this amendment that will fail.
Can’t happen
Know your history. Pieces of paper don’t mean shit when the right political circumstances arise / are manufactured.
-edit: case in point, recent article by The Atlantic
People still think they care about the law and it mystifies me.
You don’t need to follow the law when you are the law.
And it has happened in the US. Consider the case of the Bonus Army. Herbert Hoover sicced Douglas MagArthur on US citizens protesting in Washington DC for fair treatment of veterans.
You’re assuming the constitution will still mean something by the time his
firstsecond term ends. That’s exactly why they’re pushing all sorts of unconstitutional shit. The executive branch is the one that has the power to enforce or not enforce laws, and the only recourse the legislative branch has is impeachment, which we’ve seen twice isn’t going to happen. Especially when the supreme court is beholden to him too.You’re assuming the constitution will still mean something by the time his first term ends.
2021?
I mean, was he wrong? Insurrection, separation of powers, no one being above the law, Roe. v. Wade, etc. I would say that since 2021 the constitution has not really meant that much apparently.
Ugh, I meant second. Guess I blocked out those 4 years.
That usually happens with traumatic experiences.
Which is what explains how I’m 41 years old, and don’t remember one second of my life.
…either that, or I have dementia…
If they get to the point of being able to just ignore something like that, they have no reason to amend the constitution anyway because they can just toss it out
Even if it doesn’t mean anything, it won’t get amended. This discussion is about passing an amendment, not directly about whether Trump keeps hold of power anyway.
Incidentally, assuming the larger institutions are intact (which is not a given), on the next inauguration day he is no longer head of the executive branch. He doesn’t need to be impeached, he’s out of office. So new president has authority to act regardless. So if he stays in, it is because he successfully dismantled everything, not because he can continue to wield authority as the executive branch after the conclusion of his term until an impeachment finally throws him out.
Oh totally, if you are playing by the rules then this can’t happen.
What happens if the GOP appoints him as their candidate in 4 years time? Presumably someone asks the supreme court to weigh in, but given it’s current make up, what happens if they say “yeah sure, because democrats are The Enemy” or something?
It’s just people, breaking the rules is always an option. Rules and laws only work if they are enforceable - and at the end of the day, who would be enforcing that he can’t run? The military? State militias?
I fully expect them to come up with some kind of insane rationale to try to get around the 22nd amendment and it will come down to a stacked deck supreme court to rule on its constitutionality
It will be fun to watch the Supreme Court justices try their best to distort reality on an amendment specifically designed to handle instances such as this.
It’s going to be a brain melter for sure
I think I might just sell everything I own, quit my job and move somewhere low cost and tropical after November 7, 2028
I wish I had already done it. I just honestly didn’t think America would elect a convicted felon. Even just misspelling the word “potato” used to be a deal breaker
Well here’s the workaround for the 22nd.
It says no such president can be elected more than twice. So if Trump is the running mate of a stand in President, that president can step down and Trump take over. He could technically have that third term.
He’d be ineligible to be vice president as well
Not that this would stop them, of course
Seeing as he’s literally already ineligible to be president this time since he incited an insurrection, and his entire second administration and everything it does is by extension illegal and unconstitutional
I was curious where precisely it would state that a person disqualified by the 22nd amendment can’t be VP either. I mean it’s common sense, but I haven’t seen it. Of course if they had their heartset on it, one wonders if the could just name him speaker of the house and then have both step down.
The technicality on the insurrection is that he was never found responsible by any federal court.
The question is whether they keep trying to “technically” around the Constitution versus dropping all pretense. It seems that, so far, they still value the optics of compliance. But we are so so early in the term…
I’m not seeing it on a quick look either, I thought it was spelled out but I think it’s mainly assumed that since the VP’s only real duties beyond the president of the Senate is as a replacement for the president and would need to actually be able to hold that position to be vp.
But I think you’re right, that’s just largely held to be the case but not explicitly defined.
That’s one thing about Trump’s administration, so many decent common sense norms that the common person assumed were codified were in fact self-enforced by basic decency in most administrations. That despite all the verbosity and crafting of the law, there’s still gigantic holes for a less decent administration to use…
State militias
Yeah, that’s who was supposed to be the last resort. Buuuut…our modern “militias” probably would just turn their guns back on us for him.
Buy a gun and start one
lol, he’s just gonna stay in the white house and no one’s gonna stop him. No one needs to ratify shit. Democrats don’t storm government buildings.
You fucking hopeful people, relying on adherence to laws and norms. Sick of seeing this shit. So sure that sane things will happen. You people are the reason he’s in office in the first place.
Thank you. Anyone who still has faith in our government systems to stop this from happening has their head in the sand.
It’s so we are talking about this and not the incompetent racist fascists who are being selected.
That ship has sailed. You need to catch up. Things are moving fast.
No, it hasn’t. This is a part of the “fill the zone with shit” strategy thatTrump continually uses.
Wait till till Carence Thomas and Samuel Alito pic and choose Textual mism and Originalism to say that the ratification that added term limits is not how the founding fathers intended and therefore is note constitutional.
Kind of impossible to rule an amendment unconstitutional.
I mean, is it though? If they literally did that… Who would challenge it? Who would it be challenged to?
When the rules don’t matter, relying on them to follow rules isn’t going to get you very far… They may be unlikely to try to pull that, but don’t count on that stopping them.
SCOTUS can make whatever ruling they want as long as the President and Congress support it.
True, but the supreme court has been doing some of the strangest things and using the strangest reasons for them.
At least there’s hope.
I would love a better proposed amendment… Anyone may kick a skip term president’s ass after he’s no longer president. 3 times.
Meh, I fully accepted that if Trump got a second term then the Supreme Court would find an excuse for him to become a dictator for life. This is just smoke before the flames. They don’t need a measly bill to do this. It’s going to happen through the courts.
Fuck all these assholes.
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As a Newsweek report noted, “The language specifies preventing a president running for a third term if they were elected for two consecutive terms.”
For the curious
But…. Didn’t trump also win in 2020 according to- pretty much all conservatives since then?
By conservative logic, Trump’s current presidency should be illegitimate as he already “won” two elections.
conservative logic
There’s your mistake. There’s no more point trying to “gotcha” these Nazis with logic than there was with the original Nazis in the 1930s and 40s.
No he’s just now serving the term he won in 2020. The term he just won in November he will serve that 4 years from now. Makes perfect sense.
Exactly.
They’ve been saying for years that Trump won in 2020.
Don’t look for logic from these lunatics.
TIL in U.S. presidents can’t run for a third term.
Don’t worry. It’s just to get your undies ruffled. Won’t happen.
Thats what they said in 2016 about him becoming president. And him winning the 2024 presidency.
His whole life is based on “never gonna happen”, and then he gets away with it.
Literally everyone: “Oh, I was sure someone else was going to stop him.”
Yup there’s a large collection of wealth behind that persona.
Your faith in the system is very misplaced.
For reference, see the entirety of American history.
He might just throw us into a war in which case we’re fucked
…they said to the tribe they just signed a treaty with again after they violated it the last three times.
We’re all gonna die
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Firstly, cishet white political opponents are not safe. Secondly, the fascists’ enemies list will always grow, because this is how fascism sustains itself.
Cishet white people need to realize that fighting for the rights of LGBTQ+ people is fighting for everyone’s rights, including their own. It may even be fighting for your life.
And yet it’s pretty much only cishet white people who act like there’s not going to be anything bad happening under Trump.
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Let’s not forget he has established a base excuse for invading MEXICO already, has tacitly threatened our longtime peaceful ally CANADA, and established a desire to possess GREENLAND.
These are not jokes. They are pretexts to massive land grabs.
Protest now, or we’re all the frog in the pot.
Someone should turn him into a vampire so he can be president indefinatelly! /s
