Pretty much. Last time they wore pussyhats, playing “Roar” really loud is a radical act for them.
Onion aside, what bothers me is that it is in the interest of many key party members to take a more aggressive stance. Trump and the GOP have vilified individuals like Pelosi.
When the majority of average Americans start feeling the shock from the changes that are being made Trump is going to want a scapegoat. No one is better suited for this purpose than key party members that he has been brainwashing people to believe are literal devil spawn. He has even threatened to execute certain people. Unless you have an escape plan(wouldn’t be surprised if some do), surely you must realize that this is an eventuality?
Nancy Pelosi, the most successful stock trader ever? Oh wait, I forget she’s a congressperson. Why should she care? You really think she’s on our side?
I’m so sick of all this “they(GOP) did this to us” language. The DNC is just as complicit in this as the GOP. It’s not about red vs blue or any of that bullshit. It’s haves vs havenots. It’s the rich vs the rest of us. It’s “get mine at the expense of anyone else”.
It’s simple: either they don’t want to stop this or they are powerless to do so. Either way they’re useless. Fuck the Democratic Party. A true left party needs to replace it.
Would we be shocked if Trump made an EO that reduced Congress to an advisory role? Would our leaders do anything at that point? SCOTUS and Congress will advise the Executive branch only. Whatcha gonna do about that, Schumer and Thune?
sure. I dont think that should bother you. Lets take Schumer as an example. Read his wikipedia page and look at his “accomplishments” over an entire career. He’s never stood up and pushed hard for a single thing his whole life. He’s never led a charge. Is he not worthy of being pilloried as an impediment to progress? And Pelosi, she has fought AOC and Talib much harder than she ever fought republicans. She’s grown very rich on insider trading, and fought hard against the imposition of ethics in that regard. Is that true or is it not?
Both championed war crimes, along with Biden. True or not?
These people were always opportunists taking advantage of us. That the republicians also hate them is coincidental, not an applicable defense of how awful they have been in failing to lead the party over time.
Allow our enemies to purge the weak from amongst our leaders. The strong will survive, and the tribe will grow stronger.
This is a more viable action from them than the usual roll over and get fucjed
Would still be more effective than…whatever it is that they’re doing.
Quiet quitting
The great resignation
Realizing they lost the game they didn’t know they were playing yet.
MOTHERFUCKER
😘💙
It bothers me that you can see the Google logo in that coffee
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Fuck. I just lost the game too.
Haven’t lost the game until your comment. 😬
Trump declaring himself King and you people still blame the Democrats, huh? Good luck with that.
The conservatives just gave a master class on what you can do if you want to take power. Democrats could do the same things conservatives did and not lie and they would still be able to retake the government.
Instead, they’re throwing pity parties. And why not? It’s not like they’re going to be loaded up on the train. They got enough money to live comfortably, even in fascist America.
Democrats are currently holding meetings crying about the pressure they’re getting from their constituents. If those spineless pieces of shit are who you’re expecting to turn this shit storm around, you’re going to get smacked in the face with reality really fast.
What are democrats doing now? Nothing? Oh, and you think I should support that?
Your bullshit “SUPPORT THE DEMS NO MATTER WHAT” is the exact reason we are where we are today.
So…
What are the Dems doing, to combat this? I’m seeing very little action.
Not voting, apparently
You can be mad at more than one group of useless dipshits at the same time.
“No if you don’t like that people with power and money aren’t stopping Trump, you clearly support trump!”
I fucking hate the one dimensional thinking liberals brainwashed themselves into.
And what is the so called “opposition” party gonna do about it? Cynically fundraise?
I mean if the Dems can’t even try to resist then they are guilty by association. They have just rolled over. Look at how well the Republicans did against Clinton or Obama when they were the minority. The Dems share the blame here.
Yeah, and?
And we can be mad at them for not doing their jobs while Trump and Musk use the American constitution to wipe their asses. They had the presidency and the majority, got us nothing but status quo, and now are doing jack shit to stop a Fascist takeover.
So what’s the people with actual power we voted into office to stop Trump doing?
It certainly isn’t even voting no on his choices. They aren’t protesting in the streets. They aren’t hauling the construction of labor camps.
A literal king is being put into place they just sit on their hands going “We need just $5 from you today to stop this!”
Dems are still blaming 3rd party voters that turned away from their tone-deaf genocide party.
Yeah, how’d that turn out?
Turned out great up to now.
Turns out the evil orange man isn’t ‘genociding the Palestinians even harder’.
The moronic reasoning these selfrightious libs tried to use as an incentive for voting for the other side of the uniparty.
They are only upset out of selfish reasons now it affects them too, not the rest of the world that would be droned and exploited just the same by a dem POS president. That country can go to hell and I’m enjoying it tremendously.Lol. I love seeing by your other comments everyone else hates you, too. You must be a fun person in real life.
I am real fun and loved by all. None of my friends like the imperialist US (or their genocider friends Isntreal) either.
A, I really don’t give a shit about what the echo chambers feelies are or how petty you are about a little arrow and a number.
For as long as the regime doesn’t censor me for an unwanted opinion like the big socials do (how free and sooo western values!) I will continue to call all the POS out for what they are.
And then watch them cope and seethe when they invariably lose an argument and they have to resort to insults out of impotence and frustration.
That’s what I love seeing.
All the collaborators and bootlickers crying.
Quickly go run to the mods! A dissenter is going against the only approved narrative, make it go away!That was so many words I didn’t read.
It turned out exactly how everyone kept telling the Democratic leadership it would turn out
In fairness, anyone who protest votes in this climate is a fucking idiot.
Blame the people, not the policies. It’s like the sun rising.
hahaha loser
They can’t do anything except block and delay bills.
They can’t filibuster cabinet picks or court confirmations. They can filibuster bills but the only bill in the process of discussion is the federal budget and the Republicans win whether it doesn’t pass and shuts down the federal governments or it does pass and cuts a trillion in benefits that help american working class so they can cut taxes for the rich.
So they can do nothing.
They can obstruct. And they aren’t even doing that.
They can radicalize people to resist the tyrant.
They can do an awful lot with that Bully Pulpit they all have, by nature of their office.
Unfortunately, they choose to use the Bully Pulpit like this vignette…
They cannot obstruct cabinet picks or judge appointments, since 2013 and 2017 respectively.
They can obstruct bills such as the new budget proposal by fillibuster, but that will cause government shutdown and the Republicans win either way, tbh. (I think they should filibuster it, but I expect people like you to complain either way).
Won’t see me complaining about anyone halting the progress if fascists.
America is experiencing a fascist dictatorship and you want the only party speaking against it to just stand by because the system doesn’t allow them to do anything??
How about FUCK THE SYSTEM!!! Trump and his cronies don’t care about it. You’re not going to beat wanna-be dictators with 0 disregard for the law by doing everything by the book.
Block the doors to the house and Senate rooms, encourage and participate in civil disobedience, get operatives to physically block Elon and his felons from illegally accessing extremely sensitive data about America’s allies and citizens. Loudly and passionately call out every anti-democracy, anti-American, and anti-human act that Trump and his gang are doing and explain exactly how it’s going to enrich them and other billionaires and how it’s going to seriously harm everyone else. Encourage and work with grassroots organisations across the country to gum up the MAGA Republican works.
The Democratic party leadership are should be the leaders of a movement defending against the destruction of America and it’s allies from within the country’s highest positions of power for the benefit of a small few wealthy and powerful people. This is a historical moment that is very likely to lead to the suffering and deaths of countless human beings within America and around the world, and could possibly lead to a world war the likes of which we have never seen. I want them to fucking ACT like it.
They need to do more than read dry, impassionate speeches and post boring tweets. America is dying and if the country is expecting the system to save them then chances are they’re already lost.
A few weeks back a bunch of Democratic Congresspeople went to the Department of Education with a whole media circus in tow, and were blocked from entering by a single small man, who couldn’t have weighed more than 150lbs soaking wet, who claimed to be hired by Musk and working for the federal government despite not providing any ID. The Democrats gave up and left.
Like fucking what? Are you kidding me? You are members of Congress! Just fucking push past him! Either that security guard has the authority to keep you out, in which case they’d have to go through the terrible fucking optics of arresting a sitting congressperson for accessing a government building, or he doesn’t actually have the authority in which case you have a duty to tell him to fuck off.
They’re just spineless.
Yeah exactly they are too comfortable taking no for an answer. They should have even asked permission they should have barged in. If they were truly representing me that’s what they would do. Any kind of confrontation and they just cave.
As much as I agree with the sentiment, it’s not going to be elected Democrats putting their bodies and personal freedom on the line; what we need are more Anarchists, and support for Anarchists.
The closest thing I have to a point is that on a Federal level, the Democratic party is a corpse. At best I think it could be resurrected as the supporting “acceptable” political wing of a larger movement that also includes a direct action wing that actually sets the movement’s agenda. But I’m afraid that’s just as much of a fantasy as the idea of pampered technocrats standing up to get their heads bashed in by US Marshalls.
Think it’s on the same level of expecting cops to risk their lives for the safety of people when there’s no risk to property.
Genuinely curious what people want the Democrats to specifically do right now, apart from vague calls of “something” and “more” and “better.” At least on a federal level, aren’t they pretty much powerless at this point? What even can they do?
- Vote no on everything like Republicans did when Obama/Biden tried good things
- Filibuster every bill like Republicans
- Give motivated members of Congress more power, like AOC
- Retire the old blood of the DNC and have people with ideas from after 1982 enter office (my state allows office vacancies to be filled by appointment until election)
- Listen to the Americans who voted for you to stop Trump and stop whining about that in private meetings
- Stop voting yes on anything Trump wants
- Don’t ratfuck young faces because they are running in seats with old people
- Don’t say everything is okay and normal despite the fact it’s clearly not, it didn’t work both times they ran on it as a platform
All great ideas. Have you mentioned them to the Democrats? They are depressingly poll-driven, but it’s probably worth directly reaching out. My local congress people are probably sick of my shit by now, but if so – good.
Well since they think a mean worded tweet is all you need to stop Trump, I figured a mean worded comment is just as good /s
What the Repugs do whenever they’re in the minority: complain loudly and publicly, and obstruct absolutely goddamned everything.
I want Dems to start arming the working class. Like, empty the campaign coffers, and use it to buy guns, bullets, and butter for the working class.
How’s that for a start?
It’s certainly specific!
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Figure out what they stand for, stated in two sentences. (From that old chestnut that says that you don’t understand a thing if you can’t explain it in two sentences, or less.)
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Learn from the experts (PR people, psychologists, neuroscientists, screenwriters, etc.) how to state it in ways that resonate with people.
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Then, do it. Convince all of us that they care, and are trying. Build coalitions around the message, and strengthen civil society.
The greatest damage from this administration’s lawlessness does not come from tearing down government agencies, it’s the corrosive effect of hopelessness in the minds and hearts of the citizens as we look around and feel like we’re alone, and that nobody else actually cares about our laws, traditions, and principles.
They already did number 2, exclusively, and its part of the problem.
“We’re second worst, you have no choice but to vote for us, and we will only move right” might have resonated with you.
They love Republican policy they just hate wearing red as commies have used it before. Blue is a much better fitting color.
They should have to give back their campaign money when they lose.
And not hoard it for themselves to buy private guards? Never. That would actually help America, and the rich don’t like that.
When did that happen? Their messaging is pretty widely regarded as terrible.
Because it was so rehearsed and prepared. They needed the opposite, which is what trump and JD Vance did. Podcasts and shows where they just had casual conversations. The experts and linguists and whatever else were a horrible idea.
They need to have rehearsed and prepared talking points because that’s the only way they’ll actually come across as standing for anything other than the status quo, which is deeply unpopular. Most democrats probably don’t even know what they even theoretically stand for without a corporate donor explicitly telling them what to do, and most of them can’t do improv on the level of even being able to make shit up or lie in the absence of that, much less to charmingly lie by omission or tell the truth by technicality.
I’m saying the status quo IS the rehearsed and prepared talking points. Whether they are honest or not, its not what people want, and they dont trust it. Having casual unscripted conversations without restrictions, like trump and Vance did on podcasts, is a great way to appeal to people directly. Theres a reason these podcasts have millions of subscribers.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Harris’s message was along the lines of (from a Lemmy comment, TBF), “address disparate health care outcomes that predominantly impact Black men.” Nobody even knows what that means, much less has the ability to remember it. Or, she had some talking point about a several-thousand-dollar tax credit. (I don’t recall how much or for whom.) That is, they talked like policy wonks, not in terms like “dignity” and “providing for your family” that reach people emotionally.
Their opponents said highly memorable-but-evil things like, “Haitian immigrants are eating the pets.” I mean, like that, but good. Or, when you think of Obama, there’s one word that immediately comes to mind. Like that.
ETA: I just remembered one of Harris’s other leitmotifs for the campaign: “We’re not going back.” Just awful messaging. Democrats constantly, constantly, go for the negative formulation, which is terrible messaging. For one, saying you’re not your opponent lets your opponent control the terms of the debate. Also, our memories and subconscious minds are bad with negatives. Like the famous pink elephant example, if I were to say, “I’m not a professional dogcatcher,” a week from now, you might have the vague recollection of u/SwingingTheLamp and dogcatchers, or maybe just dogs. If I were smart, I’d say, “u/SwingingTheLamp is such a sexy guy” instead.
This particular example doesn’t suffer from that problem, but on the other hand, it doesn’t say anything of importance. So we’re not going back, great, we already knew that, but where are we going? It doesn’t say anything emotionally-impactful about the future and Harris’s role in it. By contrast, “make America great again” is much better slogan, because it makes a promise about the future. And a vague one, so you can seamlessly fill in whatever you think “great” looks like, and you can actually envision a perfectly-tailored picture of the future. Harris == discontent about the past; MAGA guy == good-feels about the future.
What democrats saw from trump is much different than what republicans saw.
For example, her interview on fox, most democrats saw clips of it, rather than watch the whole conversation. Most democrats aren’t aware of just how many podcasts trump went on. Most know about rogan but thats about it.
I agree with how you frame the messaging from democrats, but I dont think it was because they didnt pay the right people to write their slogans, I think it was because all the had were slogans.
Hands down, trump was the more personable candidate, which should be extremely upsetting to the democrats, but instead they have blamed voters for being too stupid to understand they were the good team.
Okay, yeah, I get it now. I think we agree. That’s what I was saying originally, it’s that they skipped Step 1, the part about deciding on the substance behind the slogans.
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Obstruct fucking everything instead of being the complicit bastards they are.
I mean, I’m not an expert by any means but haven’t the republicans been able to very efficiently stifle democrat majorities before? If they just follow that playbook (delaying things, being pains in the ass, constant insistence on funky rules) they can at least annoy the shit out of them and hopefully slow things down. They’re way too polite for that tho, they’d rather just let it happen and hope they come out okay in the end then to risk the wrath of the annoying orange and his minions.
One thing they could do is stop voting with republicans to confirm Trump’s appointees. Have you seen. how well the Republicans obstruct? They can get everybody in their rank and file out on network TV to call for banning a book by title while the democrats can’t even get their best faces on TV to call what’s happening with NY’s mayor blatant quid pro quo corruption
EDIT: Trump energy chief says there are upsides to ecological collapse
agreed. that’s literally their job. oppose the other party by whatever means at their disposal. use the press, support union actions, so many ideas. be bold be creative.
they at least should stop pretending that “playing by the rules” and “trusting the system” is an appropriate response to illegal orders, illegal firings, violations of constitutional doctrine, and open defiance of judicial and legislative oversight. relevant video from InnuendoStudio, sadly aged like wine
You can’t filibuster cabinet picks or federal judges, meaning the Dems cannot stop Trump appointees, either. The Republicans have 53 senate seats so they can pass whoever they want.
The GOP needs every single person on their side to pass the nominations… Which rarely happen.
Why aren’t the dems working whatever GOPers they can to say no? Or is that something only the GOP is allowed to do? Get Dems to defect?
False, Hegseth is the closest to losing confirmation when 3 GOP voted no, but VP tiebreaker confirmed him anyways.
Hegseth, Vought, Gabbard, Kennedy, and Lutnick all recieved 0 dem votes and passed.
Only 3 Republicans have voted against any confirmation, and Mitch McConnell is the only republican to vote against more than one: he voted against 3.
Fuck Mitch McConnell trying to leave a legacy when he was instrumental in creating this fucking mess
Same with Pence, yeah.
Only if the appointees are bad (which, since it’s Trump and “stuff up the deep state” project 2025, there’s probably a lot of bad appointees). If we obstruct appointees that are good, we’ll just keep seeing the pendulum swinging when a new party comes into power.
None of Trump’s appointees are good. If they were, they would refuse to serve under him.
Appointed federal judges do not have obligations to Trump and may strike down his orders.
lol, k.
Sure bud. It’s not like they didn’t block Biden’s stuff and rubber stamped Trump’s stuff.
I do not think that is enough reasoning for claiming they’re incompetent for blocking their nominations. The Supreme Court has 2 or 3 problem justices, yes, but just look at the plethora of court cases against Trump with injunctions right now. Quite a bit of them were speedily decided under Trump appointees.
Please name a single person Trump has picked for a cabinet position that is objectively good.
I don’t believe you’re making that argument in good faith. Every one of his nominees have been ridiculous caricatures of stereotypical MAGA car salesman
There’s more appointees than Trump’s cabinet, which I agree is bad. There’s for example district court judges.
IIRC he had like two or so with good credentials. The one replacing Lina Khan I think was surprisingly good.
Yep, all they have to do is think…”what would republicans do in this situation?”
Republicans would get one of their followers to bash Mike Johnson’s spouse in the head with a hammer like they did to Pelosi.
Democrats need to pass progressive reform to win. Republicans need to stop progressive reform to win. They’re playing different games.
For example, Republicans are gutting Medicaid and Medicare in their new budget proposal and the only thing Dems can do is block the bill which will defund those programs regardless.
Zero win conditions.
Not lining up to bend over for republicans would be nice a nice start. Even a quarter the obstructionism as the republican party has put forth when Democrats are in charge would be appreciated.
Certainly, but like – what specifically? If you could pick one specific thing they should do/have done, what would it be?
Not vote “Yes” on appointments.
For the most part they haven’t; and with the votes available, not a single nominee was in danger of being voted down even when all Democrats voted against them. Pete Hegseth received 0 Democratic votes and still got confirmed.
Speak up, speak loud and speak often. Be the leaders of the grassroots organization they pretend to represent.
They seem to be incessantly tweeting and Facebooking, but people are complaining that that’s not very effective.
Because shitposting isn’t organizing.
It seemed to work for MAGA. Maybe the Democrats need more bot accounts? Shittier shitposts, maybe?
Project 2025 wasn’t a tweet.
It’s also not why people voted for Trump. He had to consistently lie about supporting it so as not to scare off his potential voters. Meanwhile, a deliberately misleading viral shitstorm made out of a single Biden comment had MAGAts rolling up to their polling places in trash bags.
Organising what? What should they organise?
Workers strikes, general strikes, work stoppages and walk outs … organize people to conduct mass disruptive activities in a peaceful obstructive way to force those in power to either move against them or take steps back to accommodate people.
Strikes need strike funds. Dem billionaire donors are not going to fund picket lines and unions (half of which majority voted for trump) are not going to sacrifice their livelihoods for what trump has done so far.
Mass protest is possible, but it won’t come from organized labor unless something changes drastically.
Congresscritters could do a little more to gum up congress. Stop confirming his nominees except for the 3 sane options.
As others have said they will have a chance to negotiate when the shutdown comes due. We will see.
They could reach out to Sean O’Brien.
“But my [insert excuse not to go out and protest]…”
…wife and child need to eat and have shelter? Yeah, clearly we’re the problem.
The next real test will probably be the budget vote in the House. Post-Trump Republicans have historically been unable to pass budgets without democrat help, even when they had a majority, so one thing democrats can do is squeeze the GOP dry for concessions before helping them pass the next budget.
step one should be a change of leadership.
Agreed. Can anyone think of somebody the Progressive wing and the mega-donors can agree on?
Mega donors can’t eat their money. The working class WILL get behind a strike, if they see support from the electeds.
What will the working class eat while they aren’t getting paid during the strike?
We already produce the food… oligarchs don’t.
We can seize the means of production.
Voting against literally any of the trump cabinet nominees would have been a start
Most of the votes cast by Democrats were against Trump’s cabinet picks. (Not that it mattered, but I’ll never know how the fuck Marco Rubio pulled so many Democrats 🤦♀️ .)
Because Dems are complicit, that’s why.
massive string of lawsuits
That is happening as we speak: https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/
Surely this will be an Onion link
Oh, for fuck’s sake…
Also, please don’t link to Xitter.
https://kbin.earth/m/[email protected]/t/932145/Bracing-for-a-Shutdown-Fight-Democrats-Warn-Their-Votes-Are
When eighty million Americans sat out the election they sent a pretty clear message that they’re okay with whatever Trump and Co wants to do.
No, they sent a message saying “Both of these choices suck, badly.”
They sent a message saying “Both of these choices suck by exactly the same amount. I have no preference”.
How can you win a war, when you lack the strength to grit your teeth and choose the lesser evil? Will you stamp your fists on the ground and demand no evil, while the greater evil slaughters your people? How many lives of your tribesmen will you give in order to send your message to the Democrats?
No, more like “both of these people should be tried for crimes against humanity, so I support neither”
As far as “how do I win a war” it starts with not supporting a capitalist, because as long as they have power, the working class will be oppressed.
You have power! You are responsible! You need to use that power. You need to make active choices in the world.
Yes, we have power, which we can use to toss off the chains of the oppressors, and seize the means of production.
Ready to help?
I didn’t choose this username for no reason
When eighty million Americans sat out the election they sent a pretty clear message that they’re okay with whatever Trump and Co wants to do.
Bo, the6 sent the message of "both of these are atrocious human beings, so I will support neither "
By choosing neither they threw their full support behind the winner which was Trump.
There is blood on their hands from the choice they made.
I always find it telling when someone blames the people who couldn’t stomach to vote for an openly corrupt, genocidal party, instead of blaming the leadership of the party for being openly corrupt and genocidal.
There were two choices and by not being able to see that reality they helped the worse choice get power.
I hate that fucking song so much.
They’re preparing a stockpile of spears and chainmail so they can rule uncontested over whatever is left of America by the end of the year.
Considering what they’ve done so far… I’d say it’s an improvement.
Well still better than trying to “find bipartisanship” that these idiot leaders keep talking about.
Jeezus, they need to only have people under the age of 50 to revitalize any messaging. An anthem from a washed up pop star celeb is not going to do shit. Celebs are a turn off. The election not 3 months ago proved that.
Ate the onion?
ahhh shit… lol
Reality is weird these days. The parody outlets have things too easy.
It’s no longer parody. It’s prophecy
Maybe the democrats need a media apparatus to propagandize people against whatever the republicans want to do 🙄
Oh, so they’ve finally decided to do anything at all? I wish this wasn’t the Onion, because I’m really starting to think the democrats got what they wanted when he was elected.
I assume this is a new/newer song? I am not sure I’ve heard it, and if so, I certainly didn’t know it was Katy Perry’s “Roar”.
It came out in 2013, so no, not new at all. It was an incredibly popular song, with over a billion listens on Spotify.
