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Part of me sympathizes with the guy, but this was reckless
I’d argue that he gave them extra code, a bonus if you will.
your honor, I would move to dismiss on grounds that my clients actions were based as fuck.
and unlike dennis nedry, he didn’t have to get killed by a dinosaur to do it.
I developed a spreadsheet for a company I worked for a few jobs ago. When I left I used a picture of Dennis to lock everyone out of the spreadsheet but only for one day, months after I left. Stupid idea, but felt good.
I had created a few things on Google sheets that my coworkers were using. It wasn’t anything groundbreaking, but one was a spreadsheet I’d made that had all of our driver’s availability to assist with scheduling. The sheets were on my personal account, and we didn’t end on good terms, so I just locked them all out. It was funny getting all the texts asking for access the next day. I told them to make their own.
I’m disappointed they found so much in his search history. Do these people not have phones? In this day and age with everyone carrying a smartphone, there’s no excuse for using work computers for personal activities
The smart criminals never get caught…
That’s why you only hear about the dumb ones
Did it say they went through his work search history? Everything you search on Google with your IP or through your account is recorded, in case law enforcement knocks. Don’t think using a phone protects you. Use a trusted VPN in a separate browser if you want to search for things and not have them show up in court.
In this day and age with everyone carrying a smartphone, there’s no excuse for using work computers for personal activities
There are plenty of reasons, mostly amounting to “Nobody tends to give a fuck” and “I’m not running out to buy a second high end laptop just to casually browse the web from my couch on the weekend”.
What you’ve got is a very poorly enforced, very draconianly executed set of deliberately vague and inarticulate rules that vary from company to company. And none of that really has anything to do with the “kill switch” thing. In the same way you might say “Well but obviously nobody should smoke weed in a state that criminalizes it! That’s just stupid!” when you’ve got the police tearing apart a particular person’s house for a completely unrelated issue, based on an officer’s exclamation of “I smell weed!” at the front porch.
Just accept you live in a police state and stop buying into excuses made to surveil and punish.
don’t underestimate how lazy and stupid even the smartest person can be.
I feel targeted :-)
Weird that these protections exist for corporations that aren’t actually people but no protections exist for the person who was fired.
Exactly my thought. A corporation destroys people’s lives by firing them? Nothing. Someone actually pushes back? Suddenly the government gets involved.
Eg pictures of dozens of police protecting tesla dealerships
And how our legal system is setup to best defend the wealthy.
They are the protagonists of democracy after all.
yeah it’s pretty crazy. almost like government is for some things and not others, and knows it, like maybe laws were always just an excuse and tool for victim blaming. or something.
The amazing thing is that the government doesn’t get nearly as much tax income as you’d expect from these hugs companies. It’s almost as if the politicians have some other, secret motivating factor. Oh well, I guess we’ll never know.
wait, are you saying that there’s this class that are the beneficiaries of governments and laws, and it’s the same as the class that doesn’t suffer any limitations when they do stuff that the governments and laws don’t like?
and that we’re in this other class, that the laws and stuff exist to punish, but has to fund them and pay for them, or we get punished for that too?
that’s fucking crazy.
I don’t see how pretending that’s weird is gonna help anyone.
We all know we don’t live in a just world.
We need to try and make it one, instead of pretending we’re living in one which happens to have horrid injustice happening all the time.
I’m no English major, but I’m pretty sure @[email protected] calling it weird is a rhetorical device known as sarcasm.
Hmm, I wonder if it is actually. I think it’s just a euphemism for it’s wrong how" or “it’s weird how we as people keep allowing this to happen in a democratic world”, but I honestly don’t think it’s sarcasm.
I get the point and I write that way all the time too, but I thought to see what happens if I just stop participating in the pretense of it being weird.
But yes maybe it is just sarcasm, but like the same sort of rhetoric is often used to talk about problems which are sort of too complex and large to easily assert something which should or even could be done.
But yes. Sarcasm.
r/iamverysmart
Up to 10 years is crazy. Sure, what he did was wrong, planned and malicious, and they claim it cost them tens of thousands of dollars. But 10 years? This is crazy for something that at worst would be a yearly salary of a single employee.
Fucking capitalism.
Now to make it worse, ask this, “If the corporation did 10 times this amount of damage, but to the general citizens of the country, how many people would go to jail?”
That’s right 0 people would go to jail! And they would only be fined for no more than 10% of the profit they made while doing it. Maybe someone like a jr director of operations gets tossed in jail, but he wasnt really apart of the club.
he should have tried to overthrow the government, or stole classified documents. that’s a drastically lower sentence
“allegedly costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses.” It seems he was already messing with the systems while he was still working there. This is not a case of malicious compliance or they fired the only guy who knew how something worked. He was actively sabotaging the company’s network.
“he apparently became disgruntled by a corporate “realignment” in 2018 that “reduced his responsibilities,”” So it’s not even like the company was being evil as they fired him while he was on PTO to take care of his daughter with leukaemia (or something). He would’ve been better off finding a new job if he was unhappy. Instead he made things far worse.
But 10 years is way too high. Especially for a victimless crime with alleged “values” of loss. But otherwise he gets no sympathy from me.
nothing he did was wrong.
“Up to 10 years” is the maximum possible for that type of crime. Actual sentencing guidelines for a $500k loss for a first time offender will probably come out to about 2, maybe 3 years.
In order for the recommended sentence to hit 10 years, we’d have to be talking about damage of over $550 million, or something like a long criminal history.
Substantial disruption of critical infrastructure would get someone to around 5 years, as a reference.
allegedly costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses.
Also it’s sabotage, which might attract heavier penalties than mere theft?
Actually for federal sentencing, property destruction is punished under the same table as theft. It’s mostly measured from the amount of loss to the victims, whether the person actually profited from it or not.
Fair enough.
Having known victims of vandalism I can say it hurts more than theft.
Tbh, what shocks me the most about this is how sloppy this appears to have been executed.
Talk about incentivizing us to make even more impactful kill switches!
Lol everyone probably fantasizes about such thing sometimes, but even if you weren’t caught, it’s not worth it to personally be bitter like that.
Just got laid off and could had done the same. Except I don’t have to. Internal systems are so bad and undocumented and I was like only IT specialist there who could use linux, and so many things related to core businesses were just basically behind me.
The kill switch has made it self. Funny how I would have written more documentation if I ever was given the time.
Same for my last job. My bosses and managers harassed and insulted me. They said I was useless and stupid.
I quit with 3 months of “notice” (standard in France to help you find a new job). They didn’t care during those 3 months. In the last week they panicked because they could not find a replacement that did everything I fixed every day.
I also interviewed my replacement, a junior out of school with big diplomas. When I asked if he knew Linux, he said “not really.” I thought “they are fucked with this guy.” They wanted to hire him because he was the son of some guy. I said to my boss that he would be a perfect fit for the company.
Unknowingly I was the kill switch. I sent them one last email with all the information they needed and told them to go fuck themselves in a polite way.
malicious compliance, I like it
but even if you weren’t caught, it’s not worth it to personally be bitter like that.
Really depends on what you do for a living… Non-profit? Sure. Weapons manufacturer? Fucking have at it.
But don’t be stupid about it. Stash a date somewhere that you manually update every so often (so that it’ll stop being updated if you’re fired) and then add a bunch of random waits whose durations scale with the time since that date. If you’re worried that the code will be found, comment it with some bullshit about avoiding race conditions.
…and now I can’t use that idea, since this comment would be used in court. If I did it to a weapons manufacturer, they’d probably get the death penalty somehow.
comment it with some bullshit about avoiding race conditions
Lmao, amazing
Fair but I wouldn’t ever work for weapons manufacturing. Also sabotage in that context would have heavy punishment, and at worst could cause collateral damage.
I was using that as an example because it was the worst thing that came to mind. There is a whole gradient between non-profit and weapons manufacturer.
I didn’t plant anything and I could still brick the production backends of a former employer because some poor ass decisions were made when choosing technologies and then when I pointed it out that it’s pretty bad the technology was stuck with so literally all it takes is sending 2-3 requests so all pods die.
But why do it.
Similar cases with my old company. In my case people who would had suffered the most direct consequences would had been my colleagues who I respect.
But I could totally cause trouble without any backdoor access.
For the last time, I didn’t leave a kill switch – I just refused to document anything!
You are truly a madman
Edit: or a madlady
M’lady
I worked for a company once that installed a remote-activation killswitch in their drivers, as a secret weapon to force the customer to stay current on their maintenance contract.
The CEO was a fuckup however, and the code killed their system even without being activated - resulting in a bunch of angry phonecalls and some of the most egregious lying I’ve ever heard.
god, he was a piece of shit
Sounds like lawsuit territory
I’m the lone human being who understands the code behind the byzantine financial operation of my org. No kill switch necessary.
Pro tip: your poorly thought out business rules can lead to stupidly complex processes.
Look at me, I am the killswitch now.
I work on a small team and recently realized my boss is falling victim to survivorship bias. Another colleague and I handle our work, which is mission critical to the org, competently and fairly opaquely, only raising issues as they arise. However some other members of our team have less critical but more visible work that they tend to bungle. The department invests hiring dollars, training efforts, and materials purchases in service of remediating those issues. But my colleague and I are both burned out, eyeing the door, and fully aware there’s no one who understands what we do or is capable of doing it within our organization - aside from each other, but our respective scope of work is non-overlapping and there’s truly not wiggle room to cross train or support each other’s work. I’ve said all I know to say to leadership about this issue but they seem willfully ignorant.
When one of us goes, I think the other will follow quickly. Hiring takes almost 2 months at my work, so the gap/lack of knowledge transfer will make for a huge shit show.
So when company do it it’s fine but when we do it to companies it’s not?
Literally the same day as HP *activating a “kill switch” code for their printers.
what happened?
(updated with a link)
Naturally. Advantage, privilege and money should only be in the hands of those who run large companies or better.
If that made you angry, bear in mind that’s what most top level company executives think. Well, actually they don’t think it, they know it unconsciously as the true order of the universe they inhabit and they get really uncomfortable should it even look vaguely like someone might be trying a competing philosophy to their own.
To be fair though, most people get really uncomfortable when something might undermine even part of the philosophy they live by.
Why do kill switches when you can just hog all the work of maintaining some critical part of the infrastructure and make it’s functioning and maintenance so opaque and impenetrable that the employer can’t replace or fire you without their shit catching fire soon after. It doesn’t have to be malicious or illegal.
His efforts to sabotage their network began that year, and by the next year, he had planted different forms of malicious code, creating “infinite loops” that deleted coworker profile files, preventing legitimate logins and causing system crashes
I wish this guy was were actually politically motivated, but he seems to have been just really petty minded person.
so opaque and impenetrable that the employer can’t replace or fire you without their shit catching fire soon after.
Somehow, that’s the kinda roles I always land in lol
Why do kill switches when you can just hog all the work of maintaining some critical part of the infrastructure and make it’s functioning and maintenance so opaque and impenetrable that the employer can’t replace or fire you without their shit catching fire soon after.
This is literally my firm’s core business practice. We’ve been at it for so long that at this point we have to be included in competing bids because we are the only ones in the world that can do certain specific things.
That’s what my old company used to do. You did this? Do a KT to some underpaid remote employee and when they leave it’s again your responsibility to maintain it, alongside the new bugs and spaghetti they introduced.
We once told a SP50 customer that we would not provide a business critical service because an employee went on sabatical for a month and she had the only working version on her cookery computer. At that point the customer was so integrated with us that it would take them years to replace us.
