Indictments don’t count for shit without guilty verdicts and seeing the orange asshole behind bars, and I’m not even a doomer about this, I believe it’ll happen, but claiming victory before winning is always folly, just ask Trump.
Not that I disagree but it’s hilarious to see the contortions about how the indictments are no big deal from the “ZoMG Killary’s gonna get indicted any day now” crowd.
I’m not sure you understand what a doomer is. Doomers (as a meme) are people who are incredibly cynical and jaded; who believe that we as a species are fucked, and any attempt to stop it is like an antelope thrashing in the mouth of a lion. This idea isn’t inherently right-wing or left-wing, nor is it specific to any particular country (though it’s probably more common in the left-wing western anglo-sphere). It’s the idea that while it technically might not be too late to reverse course and solve things like wealth inequality, climate change, police brutality, fascism, etc; the fact that the people who benefit from these things are also the ones in power means it’ll never happen. It’ll always be 90% words, 10% action until it truly is too late; at which point they’ll declare that they tried as hard as they could and there’s nothing else to be done.
The people you’re describing aren’t actually doomers, they’re just concern trolls.
Doomers and concern trolls.
Hilarious definitely, but not surprising in the least, they’re just a bunch of fascist hypocrites.
I’ll eat my hat after convicted and sentenced and not a second sooner.
Don’t look at the conviction rate for federal prosecutors then. And stock up on BBQ sauce. A NY jury would convict Trump of just being fat and ugly, that’s how much everyone (including Republicans) hate him. People literally go out of their way to make their dogs pee on Trump Tower.
You will just change your mind and say “He should have gotten more time! 5 years is nothing. House arrest? His house is huge!”
For a former president, that’s the worst possible.
Republican voters absolutely still love him. Just look at early polling for the GOP primaries, he’s still leading by a huge landslide in the majority of states: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/us/politics/2024-poll-nyt-siena-trump-republicans.html
Is it depressing as hell that so many people are still obsessed with this corrupt, shitty buffoon? Definitely. But I keep seeing more and more comments on here acting like Trump is irrelevant and his base is virtually non-existent when that’s just not true (which is ironic, given how one of the main criticisms against Trump and his ilk is their detachment from reality).
Maybe people in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx, and Manhattan hate him, but Staten Island, Long Island, and upstate NY are Trump country
Where do you think all the people live? It’s not Staten Island.
TIL nobody lives on Staten Island.
Guess it’s all vampires.
I’ll sit on the laurel of all the presidents who have been convicted of their crimes so far.
While you’re looking at them, compare their average approval ratings. Trump has the lowest of them all, having never broken 50% approval.
I’m sure that will really hamper him in the popularity contest portion of the trial but he will pick those back up in the swimsuit contest.
I get what you’re saying, but yuck
conviction rate for federal prosecutors
The thing is that they, like state and local prosecutors, prosecute poor people who can’t afford effective representation tens if not hundreds of times as often.
If you isolate their stats with regards to rich and/or powerful defendants like the Mango Mussolini, suddenly they don’t convict at anywhere near that rate.
The difference is so immense that even an obviously guilty oaf with incompetent and unhinged lawyers like him is more likely than not to win or at the very least delay until his own death at his country club home.
Oh so you “isolated the stats” then.
Great, share them!
Even though it doesn’t seem like you’re gonna argue in good faith, here’s a review of a book about it.
Oh God, I don’t even know where to start. How do you “argue in good faith” with someone who cites a book revire as evidence? And then you bother to look at the book reviee and it says nothing about winning at trial/after charging due to wealth?
Such a high win rate for federal prosecutions is indicative of a problem. Whether that be only taking cases which they are assured victory or winning against those who are not guilty, they’re both wrong.
The criminal justice system is intended to be biased in favor of the defendants as innocent until proven guilty. Consequently, if everything were working perfectly, I’d expect prosecutors to only charge people if they were extremely confident that they could prove the person’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Taking cases without solid evidence and regularly losing at trial would be indicative of a major problem.
If prosecutors lost more cases, that would mean they were being even more aggressive in over-prosecuting flimsy cases.
Especially when you dig a little deeper and look into socio-economic and racial ratios of both prosecutions in general and convictions.
It’s a system by and for the rich and powerful, designed to protect people exactly like Trump while criminalizing poverty and melanin.
I’m eat my hat either way because I have a problem
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My scrilla on MacKenzie Tartan Tammy.
But it’s certainly nice to see that the path towards that situation is still open.
I don’t recall seeing anybody say he wouldn’t be indicted, but that ultimately he wouldn’t face “serious” consequences or any jail time. We’ve yet to find out what, if any, consequences he’ll actually face. My uneducated guess is that he’ll just be given house arrest for everything, based on age and his former position as President. It sounds like the Georgia indictment may carry mandatory prison time, but we still haven’t seen how any of that will play out, it could still be affected by Republican fuckery. I would love to be proven wrong on everything and he gets the book thrown at him, but current/former world leaders have a tendency to not face the consequences of their actions (except in some extreme situations).
Um Actually, that’s a Goal Net, not a Goal Post. Your argument doesn’t hold water.
no shit it doesnt hold water its a net
Of course it doesn’t hold water, it’s a net
Ooh, now I get it!
I’ve never wanted to be wrong about anything more than this in my entire life, but Trump will never be put behind bars. House arrest in Trump Tower? Most likely. Going to a white collar “resort prison” à la Martha Stewart? Less likely, but still possible. Going to actual Federal or State prison? I just can’t see it.
If Trump is clearly going to lose in court, his lawyers would be wise to posture him as vulnerable and not fit to serve his sentence in the general population.
Also, who fucking knows how the Secret Service are going to handle this one. Apparently there is no way to revoke a former presidents lifetime security detail, even if they are impeached or convicted of a felony. Only an act of congress can do so, so good luck getting a majority of both chambers to uphold the rule of law and send a felon to prison. Republicans will protect this piece of trash until their very last breath.
White collar prisons aren’t real, other than house arrests.
Minimum security prisons, where you are treated as roughly human, are though.
While good, indictments are only one step in the legal process, they are not the end result. Most people were not confident we would even make it this far into the legal process with how much the justice system favors those with money and power and this situation has literally never happened in our history. We have never had a former president indicted for crimes.
As a doomer, I’d like to point out that even conviction and imprisonment, do not prohibit him from winning the presidential election.
Depends on what he’s convicted of. There are certain convictions specifically prohibiting you from holding high office.
Is that true, which of the charges do that?
https://www.vox.com/23828477/trump-2024-14th-amendment-banned
The legal paper, authored by University of Chicago professor William Baude and University of St. Thomas professor Michael Stokes Paulsen, centers on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment — a provision that limits people from returning to public office if they have since “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” or “given aid or comfort” to those who have. Baude and Paulsen argue that this clearly covers Trump’s behavior between November 2020 and January 2021.
Tested at the state level:
A state judge in New Mexico has removed a county commissioner from office after ruling that – because he participated in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol – the U.S. Constitution barred him for engaging in an “insurrection.”
The State Supreme Court dismissed his appeal:
Griffin tried to appeal the ruling, but the state Supreme Court dismissed the appeal in November. He filed a motion for the state’s highest court to reconsider, which they dismissed this week. Now, Griffin wants to take this to the United States Supreme Court.
His wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Couy_Griffin#Removal_from_office
At at this point, pardoning himself is his only chance of staying out of prison.
Unless he gets convicted in GA.
Why Georgia?
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/16/trump-georgia-pardon-00111503
Presidents can issue pardons only for federal crimes, and the Georgia indictment involves exclusively state crimes. Trump couldn’t even seek help from the state’s governor, because in Georgia, unlike many other states, the governor cannot issue pardons.
Ok but can’t he appoint an attorney general to drop the case?
Trump should have been in prison orange years ago. But there’s a better chance of him becoming president again. He’s protected by the American right wing and that is probably enough to keep him not only safe from legal consequences but to keep him in power. They won’t drop him until voters do.
Prove me wrong america
*the prison orange
LMAO this shitpost is drawing some salty doomers out of the woodwork and I love to see it
Lol got em
Show me the mugshot of Trump with an orange jumpsuit and a tear tattooed near his eye and I’ll claim victory
Personally, I’m just incredibly jaded and have literally no faith in anything anymore. You’re expecting that the feds and state governments will be willing to enforce the 14th amendment at the risk of personal safety. I’m expecting that they’re all gonna raise a big huff and fuss but then pussy out about actually blocking trump from running for president.
In this thread: people this meme is about.
We don’t care about indickted, only convicted, give us a holler when the real thing happens. Orange jumpsuit to match his face, cuffs, perp walk, call me when I can see it or don’t call me.
Some folk have not watched this worm slither off the hook again and again, and it really shows.
In my very humble opinion the worst hell get is a retirement deal in Mar a Lago. Some extra security? A bigger fence perhaps.
