The most disturbing part of this is, she made it to 93, and wasn’t able to pay rent. Does America have no way to pay their retired and elderly people a living wage at the end of their life?
Like, she’s not even just retired, she’s elderly. The “Golden years” of wearing a diaper and needing a walker, kind of elderly.
Even if the charges were dropped and she was allowed to go home, the fact that it got to the point where she was hauled off to jail in an orange jumpsuit and cuffs should not have happened. Someone should have stopped and said, “are we really going to try to send a 93 year old to jail?” And that should have been where it stopped. Because that’s not something you do to a 93 year old for missing a few rent payments.
America is cracked man. Should not have gotten there. What the actual fuck.
Every single assisted living facility in the United States would do the same thing. They are businesses designed to strip every last bit of wealth before we die, they do not give a shit about their
residentscustomers.Yeah but have you ever tried to care for aging parents outside of a retirement community, sucks all your time, money, and energy leaving nothing else for the rest of your family. End of life care is a great place to extract wealth if you’re heartless. People are their most scared and vulnerable, they’ll pay anything to feel normal for just a little while longer
Yes, my mother has advanced Parkinson’s and I was her primary caretaker for years before we finally had to move her into assisted living. I know very well how ill-equipped our society is for elder care.
People always talk about how it takes a village to raise a child, but we rarely talk about the village required to care for our elders.
Personally, I would rather kill myself than end up in a facility like my mom is in.
I think it says a lot when people remark they would rather be dead than in a assisted care facility. Something is clearly wrong with our system.
are you “there yet”, America?
It’s funny how the person commenting is still saying unable to work as an argument. In what word a 93 able to work should be expected to… work?
She’s too disabled to work in the coal mines. Otherwise she could do some 10 hour shifts and maybe afford a living with food stamps
I think they mean it more in the sense of “this lack of money at 93 is not the fault of the individual as there is no means for them to continue to bring in income” not "put her in the mines’
“refusing to leave”
Where, specifically, did they expect her to go? Being thrown out on the streets at 93 is effectively a death sentence.
not being able to work is a death sentence in America
Reminder that socialist countries like Cuba or the USSR have historically de jure and de facto guaranteed employment, with worse economic conditions and over a half century ago. Unemployment is a capitalist construct and we can do better than that.
i think we need to get rid of the mentality that work is a moral obligation.
what’s the point in having exponential productivity increase if we are all still expected to work full time or starve.
we could probably just set up a 20 hour week maximum and the economy would still run. just with less profits for the 1%, but they can go fuck themselves with syphilitic cacti.
i think we need to get rid of the mentality that work is a moral obligation
That’s up for debate, but my point was about work being a guaranteed universal right, not about it being forced at gunpoint.
guess the freedom in america is the “works makes you free” variety
I saw that sentence somewhere in German.
The cruelty is the point
of course its florida. eventually florida will be evicted by the ocean,
The exact same thing would happen in California. Assisted living facility owners are crooks.
My grandad was told he’d have to give back his electric wheelchair due to some change in insurance.
He was like “let me know what day, so I can have the news here as your tip a 100 year old ww2 veteran out of his wheelchair”
They let him keep the chair.
I bet the people were like “smart alec”
I’m like “you go grandpa show them who’s boss”
He was a tough old man. He had all the patience in the world for us kids but none for adults who should know better.
His mom died in the dust bowl… from dust inhalation. Then he went to Italy to fight facists. Then came home and joined the board of health and helped develop the rabbis vaccine they could put in meat and drop from planes. He’s the reason you never had to worry about getting rabbis in America.
Try he think they’re going to take his wheelchair? Come and take it!
Oh he also had his name legally changed so he wouldn’t be named after Robert E Lee anymore. He wasn’t a fan of slavery. He also wasn’t a fan of baby boomers. Called them “the me me me generation “
helped develop the rabbis vaccine they could put in meat and drop from planes. He’s the reason you never had to worry about getting rabbis in America.
We have lots of rabbis in America, someone should warn the Jewish population that there’s a vaccine for them! /s
(I’m pretty sure you mean “rabies” but yours is a hell of a lot funnier)
Oh shit… he had a hat that said Ww2 veteran we never asked “what side”!!! This changes everything!!! At least he was working on a cure tho… joke obviously.
Spelling isn’t my strong point. I’m a salesman and a great “talker” but spelling escapes me
Jokes aside rabies (that right) is a terrible way to go. It was a bigger deal back in the day. In some countries it’s still a big worry.
(So many edits) I’m imagining now my friend Zack who was Jewish walking thru the woods “is this free meat? Well can’t let it go to waste… wait why do I feel like god has left me all the sudden”
Oh I forget the best story because I just told someone earlier today. He had to pull him out of the nursing home because he kept bullying the younger trump supporters with “ I killed the Nazis once. I can kill them again if I have to”
My dad was a trump supporter up until he died but he voted democrat those years out of respect for my mom’s father.
I swear my grandfather had the presence of dumbledore from harry potter. Like him or don’t but you can’t help but respect him.
fuck trump supporters
DONT fuck trump supporters. It reminds me of the joke “if you go over to a persons house and don’t see any books… don’t fuck them”
Same with trump stuff. I’m asexual myself but I hear sex is a strong motivator for most men.
I just ment trump supporters suck
I know. I’m just being silly lol we live in dark times my friend. I force myself to find smiles whenever I can.
Oh I forget the best story because I just told someone earlier today. We had to pull him out of the nursing home because he kept bullying the younger trump supporters with “ I killed the Nazis once. I can kill them again if I have to”
My dad was a trump supporter up until he died but he voted democrat those years out of respect for my mom’s father.
I swear my grandfather had the presence of dumbledore from harry potter. Like him or don’t but you can’t help but respect him.
i don’t know even what insult i wanna use for those people. those are horrible people
They’re people with a job they need to feed their families. The person who made the call wasn’t the one who made the decision.
I was a GM for a few dollar trees and had to have people kicked out for stealing toothache medicine. I know how bad toothaches can be, I understand they are homeless, but I had a job that needed to feed my family.
The world sucks not the people in it. We are all just slaves to this system we’ve built.
Horrible “people”.
My grandfather taught me never to dehumanize people.
Once you start seeing people as “less than people” things go bad quick. People are people. There’s good, bad, and ugly. But they are people.
State spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to chase a nonagenarian out of her home over a four figure rent check.
All so some landlord can afford another wing on the McMansion
mcmansion is crazy
“Hundreds of thousands of dollars” dude, absurd exaggeration doesn’t help anyone. an eviction requires a single non-emergency callout, which in flordia costs around $2500 (evictions are usually categorized as property crime)
Legal filings are covered by the landlord and are significantly more expensive (numbers I am seeing for florida are hovering around $5000, but like all things legal it varies wildly). This was disgusting, but the state isn’t paying out orders of magnitude more than the loss just to protect some random landlord.
Yeah it is. It’s going to cost between 20 and 30k a year to keep her in a prison, and tax payers will have to pay for her medical treatment as well
She’s 90 years old, it’s a safe conclusion that the taxpayer was already paying for her medical care via medicare and she was already released (from jail) and the charges were dropped (as has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread). The original comment just made up the cost to farm outrage, and it’s fucking ridiculous they felt the need to do that on a post about a 90 year old being evicted.
I know it’s rough to see propaganda you agree with called out, but that’s what’s happening here. That people are reacting as though I’m devaluing or excusing this travesty, I’m not, is the reason I’m doing it - even propaganda you agree with poisons the discussion. Hell, to my eye the cost to throw an ancient woman out of her housing being so incredibly cheap should really make this story all the more disgusting, as it highlights how cheap human suffering really is.
Completely off topic, but had to look up what a nonagenarian is, and what a useless word. Who decided we needed such a long word to say “in their 90s”
Completely off topic, but had to look up what a teenager is, and what a useless word. Who decided we needed such a long word to say “in their teens”
who’s in their teens here don’t you have to be 18+??? (I don’t really think 18 or 19 year olds to be in their teens)
“Who decided” – like most word constructions, it probably wasn’t consciously decided upon by a single person but rather evolved out of existing phrases.
In this case, the Latin root nona- for ninth was extended with the -gin- / -gen- infix used for multiples of ten (viginti = 20, triginta = 30 and so on) to form the root nonaginti / nonageni for ninety / “per ninety”. The infix -ari- indicates an adjective/description (nonagenarius = “having ninety”), with the suffix -an indicating a representative noun.
Together, nonagenarian refers to “someone with ninety of something” as a logical composition of existing language elements, all of which you’ll find elsewhere too. It will probably have evolved naturally by people slapping on parts to describe something and others picking it up because it made sense. From there, it made its way into English as Latin words tend to.
If anything, we ought to appreciate that the “years” part of that composition is omitted, lest we would need to include something related to anni, maybe nonagenanniarian which would be even longer and more complex.
As to why people use it: Sometimes, a single descriptive noun or adjective is less ambiguous that multi-word structures. Sometimes, people want to mix up how they refer to things and use different words. Sometimes, people just want to sound erudite.
And sometimes, people pick up speech habits without much thinking about it, because they’re used to people understanding it. You didn’t, but congratulations: you learned a new word!
No one made it up explicitly, it just follows the formula for the rest of the decade age words like octagenarian
Octagenarian, what a useless word. Let me know when you start looking at the sexagenarians. Oh baby!
You got a problem with it? What are you, some kind of trenagenarian?
No! I’m a teenagemutantninjaterian thank you very much!
The Romans did or at least they created the base word structures. Primus, secundus, tertius, quartus, et cetera could all be compounded with the suffix genarian to create an age bracket specific word. For example I am a secundagenarian.
How do you even live with yourself if you’ve been a part of those proceedings?
How they live with themselves:
I’d bet you hear a variation of, “just following orders.”
Delusion
Money is a stupid concept
More to that story… Turns out charges were dropped within days.
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn’t need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible…
Hmmm.
Always look up the stories behind the memes. They might not really be about what you think they are.
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn’t need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible…
And the full thing with context is this:
Karen Twinem, with National Church Residences, which owns the Franklin House where Fitzgerald has lived since April 2011, said Fitzgerald told the staff she held back rent for the past three months because she thought she was going to die soon. Fitzgerald denied that claim, telling News 6 that she tried to pay October rent but was denied.
So your provided context is misleading and it shows that most people trusted you and didn’t read the article for themselves.
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn’t need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible…
Damn you know what, in that case she totally deserved it.
Like who fucking cares? Why do you even think that’s something important to mention?
The guy you responded too was misleading, the full quote in his own article paints a completely different story.
It means the disaster was self imposed, not forced by the system.
Read the article, the guy you replied to cut context, the care facility said she told them that, but she claims she tried to pay rent but couldn’t and that she never said that.
Like a 94 old person isn’t quite there any more and doesn’t know how to deal with labyrinthine bureaucratic processes?
There’s a bunch of articles with conflicting details. It does look like the facility tried a few different avenues before evicting her, but I haven’t seen a report mentioning involvement from a healthcare professional trained to handle situations like this. Every article does make it sound like that’s exactly what she needed though. It’s also entirely possible that when she said she thought she was going to die soon, she was referring to the potential mold issue she had been complaining about. I don’t think the article you linked mentions anything about that. I could be wrong though since I read a few.
There’s also this quote from another article:
Ms Fitzgerald, who was interviewed in jail while dressed in an orange jumpsuit, tearfully refuted the claims. Asked about why she would not pay the rent, the woman, who was handcuffed and appeared to have bruises up her arms, said of a housing facility employee: “She wouldn’t take it, that woman blamed me for the mould.” She added: “I paid my September rent and when she decided she was going to put me out, she wouldn’t accept any rent after that.”
The truth is probably somewhere between the two accounts. But honestly, that’s beside the point. Even if the living facility’s version was completely accurate, a 93 year old woman should not have ended up bruised and dragged out of her home by police just because she withheld rent for two months and refused to follow an order to vacate. Full stop.
Oh, I don’t disagree with you on that. She did apparently find permanent housing and I looked all over the place for later news on her like an obit or anything, actually… so I can only assume she’s still kicking somewhere and is now 100.
You added absolutely nothing of relevance to the story.
People who aren’t around 90 year olds expect they are as keen as the 90 year olds on TV.
At 90 there is always some dementia. He is treating this like it is some thought out plan instead of confusion.
I’ve known multiple 90+ year olds that were cognitively very capable, not at their peak certainly but to say everyone gets dementia is wrong.
Dementia is not just a small cognitive decline.
She said “Bible” so she’s religious, ergo bad.
Throw her to the wolves!
They must be catering to that huge “atheist but not socialist” demographic on Lemmy.
Secular libertarians somehow manage to be worse than religious ones
This story is very confusing, and I can only assume it’s not as cut and dry as this screenshot of a tweet would have us believe. Being evicted because you can’t pay your rent and being evicted because you decided to stop paying your rent are genuinely two different things
“Ackchually, I don’t know the details, so maybe they were right to evict an ancient woman”
I honestly could not care less why she stopped paying
You can play the centrist, but only if you throw away your morals. Even if she’s refusing to pay rent, it’s still simply appalling to throw her out. File a civil suit and collect the money in court or from her estate or something. After all, she’s 93. If you throw her out, she will probably die. It really is that simple… Or maybe you have different values. I hope not, but some people really are that cruel.
It’s impossible to make a moral argument with so little information. Again, we’re presented here with a screenshot of a tweet. We have no idea what actually transpired here
We have no idea what actually transpired here, but there’s no viable chain of events that would make it acceptable to evict a 93 years old. Full stop.
Holy bootlicking batman. You already had your argument dismantled elsewhere so I won’t do so myself, but what the fuck how delicious does the boot have to be for you to so persistently defend such blatant cruelty? This is “you don’t know why those IDF soldiers shot children in the head” levels of apologia and you should think deep and hard about why you’re doing this.
There is no situation where this is okay. I’m sorry you have to be told this.
It’s easy to take a black and white stance like “this is never okay,” but reality is never that clear cut. What if she was exhibiting behaviors that put other residents at risk? Should the long term care facility just put up with her and risk the safety of other residents, or should they take steps to remove her? This is just one of many possibilities that are not black and white. Again, we have literally no info to go off of, and we won’t because this woman’s situation is protected health information.
You mean we have absolutely zero information in a situation where we’re responding to a post that literally gives us some information?
If you want to speculate about theoretical violent old women, I guess you can. But even then, let’s roll with it. So apparently you’re saying it’s possible that she’s violent and if so then it would be reasonable of them to throw her to the curb. So you think it’s okay if they throw her out to die, in that hypothetical. That’s your values. And I’m happy to say that I don’t mirror them.
theoretical violent old women
My wife worked in the memory care section of a assisted living facility. She quit primarily because the sheer amount of physical abuse from the residents was taking its toll on her health and she was pregnant at that time so it was risking more than just her own life. Many people become violent once dementia starts setting in. Since they no longer have the mental faculties to handle the situation they lash out and they don’t hold back. Some of these folks are surprisingly strong despite being in their 80s/90s/100s and in their heads they think they’re fighting for their life, when in reality they’re just refusing to take their twice daily heart medication for example, or refusing to let the nurse plug them in for their thrice weekly dialysis (which is extremely deadly if any dialysis sessions are missed)
Ok, let’s roll with it then. What would be your solution in this hypothetical situation that avoids removing her from the premises?
Not the other person you’re talking to, but let me take a stab.
First off, I want to point out that you ask your question as if it’s difficult to answer, but it’s not. If the issue really is violence, the first thing that pops into my mind is bringing in specialists that can treat or rehabilitate her, to make her safer for herself and the other residents. Failing that, they could move her to a different facility better equipped to handle violent 93 year olds. If the issue is just that she’s refusing to pay but has the money, file a civil suit and have the rent taken out of her estate. If the issue is that she has no money, help her start a go fund me or whatever, so she can raise the money. Better yet, find ways to reduce or waive her rent so they she can continue to live there for free.
At no point should they consider making a 93 year old with possible mental health issues fucking homeless, and it’s concerning that you’re implying that that’s the only option.
So, do we know whether she voted capitalist or socialist while she could?
In the
welthiestcountry with the biggest debt on earth“heartless animals”
This is basically how I view the United States at this point.
I am American.
