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The most important thing to take out of this:
He knows it’s bad for his inevitable presidential run he’s been focusing on, but he has to do what his wealthy donors want so they keep donating.
If he manages a first term, he’ll still do shit like this, because he needs his donors for term 2.
We need a legit grass roots candidate, because when they keep their donors happy, that’s doing what’s good for average Americans.
You’ve just described exactly why the Democratic party lost touch with normal people. They couldn’t resist wealthy donors. Or so says Bernie Sanders all the goddammed time.
Y’all. Stop fucking fooling yourselves. Don’t let others strongman our county into the ground by convincing you to gobble down whatever rancid dick a political party throws at you.
You want the Dems to win? People under 35 should primary every fucking member of Congress. Boomers did this to is, and they’ll keep doing this to us. Fuck them.
Don’t let others strongman our county into the ground by convincing you to gobble down whatever rancid dick a political party throws at you.
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We vote in primaries to avoid that.
I was trying to get people to vote in primaries, you are telling them to give up on the party and depressed primary turnout is how we get stuck with that shit in the general.
Like, if your honest about what you want, you’re literally working against it right now.
We vote in primaries to avoid that.
Prior to 2012, I also believed that. Please keep in mind that the Democratic abuse of Superdelegates in 2016 to screw Bernie was so egregious that they had to reform their system to curb their egos. Some. Now they only have a 15% party leadership stake. So sanguine. So benevolent.
Many states also have closed primaries specifically to keep the party entrenched. Like where I vote, the GOP set it up generations ago, and guess which party has in recent years not lost sleep over it? Certainly not enough to bother changing it.
Primaries are the same sham as local elections with no primary in heavily single-party constituencies. Which is that the entrenched party decides who can run under their brand sure to collect people who vote down the line, and for anyone else, even lifelong registered members of that party, to run as independents. Local elections matter. So do statewide seats. And both parties want nothing more than to be in power, not to represent you.
Thinking that the other party will somehow fix what you don’t like is how we have gotten here and been here since the 90s. Voting only to vote against someone else lets the slime disenfranchise you when you think it hasn’t. Relying on a party to maybe, hopefully, let your vote go to who they decide, isn’t democracy, and it doesn’t defend or uphold democratic values. Otherwise maybe we would have something a bit more coherent than Schumer’s strongly worded letters and Newsom being cautious as a lawyer “letting” one comms person tweet sass a few times for the media traction.
Maybe I didn’t make myself clear:
Fuck both these parties and everyone involved. Unseat them all. Fuck both the parties, they ain’t done shit but for themselves.
The treatment of Bernie in the 2016 primary also made me lose faith in our form of flawed Democracy. Living in a red state, primaries are my only chance to have any effect on the national Democratic Party and 2016 made it obvious they would accept no challenge to the status quo. Superdelegates are plainly undemocratic, but the post Citizens United world makes both parties absolutely beholden to the corporations.
We literally can not have a candidate that is against business and therefore can not have a candidate that is against fascism.
That said, I will probably continue to pull the lever on my purely symbolic, utterly pointless, placebo vote for the lesser of two evils because people don’t understand that the only non-voters that matter are the ones in battleground states.
We vote in primaries to avoid that.
Stop gloating that the party hasn’t run a presidential primary without a preordained winner since 2008.
Ah yes. The public servants who arent serving the public. Running for any public office should not be a money race. Its been that way for way too long.
You’re right, but we won’t ever get a grass roots candidate through the democrat gauntlet and few people will vote independent over party (despite the wildly misleading graphic showing an independent rise that has been floating around lately).
You’re ignoring that we have a dnc chair with a decade long track record of fair primaries, and that the traditional neoliberal threat is cutting off funds to state parties, and were a year deep into the largest reinvestire of wealth to state parties from DNC.
And what does “vote independent over party” have to do with anything when talking about how we finally have a non biased chair?
Like, what are you even talking about?
Yes, everyone is aware that happened…
That was a decade ago, the chair changes every 4 years…
If AOC becomes president, are you going to blame her for what’s trump doing now?
Obviously that wouldn’t make sense, but it’s the same thing you’re doing right now
What evidence do we have, that the people who would conspire to do it then, aren’t doing it now. Was anyone punished? You say the Chair changed, but did it change to someone better? What about everyone else? What about the donors the DNC is beholden to? Their governance?
Are you saying the DNC is clean and fair now?
What evidence do we have, that the people who would conspire to do it then, aren’t doing it now.
The fact that it’s different people…
Was anyone punished?
Punished for what? What laws do you think were broken?
You say the Chair changed, but did it change to someone better?
Yes, Ken Martin. He ran Minnesota for a decade.
What about everyone else?
The vice chairs? I don’t know who you’re even talking about, but the chair has full power
What about the donors the DNC is beholden to?
Take their money and then just not do what they want… The only negative is they’re stop trying to buy us off, but take their money anyways, you’d be an absolute idiot not to when the fight is this serious.
Are you saying the DNC is clean and fair now?
I’ve typed it so much my thumbs are turning blue, at least you’re starting to wonder if what I keep saying is what I’m actually saying.
I find your answers honest, but unsatisfying and just a touch naive.
Think harder.
Checking your post history helped figure it out…
Have the future you fight for 💋
your savior presided over the ouster of David Hogg and the attempted ratfucking of Zohran Mamdani.
If we keep worrying about keeping political donors happy, we’ll never reform anything; that’s the exact opposite of what they want and will do everything to stop it.
Once he gets in office it’ll be, “we need something to campaign on next election” every time reform comes up. On his final term, he’ll say, “if the party is going to earn votes for my successor, I need to play ball this term,” then the cycle will repeat itself.
A ONE-TIME tax is still too much for them! Incredible. Meanwhile there are people who expect to discharge 5% of their money on a one-time expense such as needing chemotherapy, or paying their phone bills. Market gains would likely recoup the entire 5% for the billionaires after about 12-18 months. But even this is just unacceptable for them.
Rich people donate money all the time. They can handle another one.
Billionaire math
Average USA billionaire has about $7b in wealth.
2026 * 365 = 739,490
$7,000,000,000 / 739,490 = $9,465.98
You would need to make $9k per day, for 2026 years, to catch up to the average billionaire wealth right now.
It’s estimated in 2026 that it would cost $37b to end world hunger until 2030.
Also note that Musk, Bezos, and other extreme billionaires are up to 100x of the average here ($700b for Musk). Who is making $900k per day?
This is not natural, it’s not rational, and it’s completely bullshit. You can come up with whatever distraction you want (“wealth & income aren’t the same”), but we should be taxing every dollar above $1b at 99% or higher.
30 years * 365 day = 10,950
$1,000,000,000 / 10,950 = $91,324.20
I could easily live off of $91k per DAY for 30 YEARS.
If you put these numbers against a human time scale we can understand, I don’t see the argument for this level of wealth, especially not as people go hungry, without clothes or food, and children die.
Shit, $91k is more than double what I make ANNUALLY, and I’m not starving by any means. These hoarding pieces of shit need to go.
For years, I’ve heard people say, “What? You want to outlaw wealth?”
This level of wealth? Yes. Tax it at 99% above 1bn.
You won the money game. Stop playing it. Help society.
My long standing belief is that if you hit $100M of wealth, you should get a nice fancy trophy that says “congratulations on winning capitalism”, along with a 100% tax on all future income.
Hoarding wealth is a mental illness like any other addiction.
If/when Gavin Newsom is the candidate, I’ll vote for someone else, or won’t vote.
Under normal circumstances, sure. If it’s Gavin vs. Trump then I assume you’ll vote for Gavin. Step 1 is get rid of Trump, step 2 is find a candidate that’s actually good. If we can do both simultaneously then that would be wonderful.
That’s how Trump got elected.
Therefore, the only option left is for the leftists to take over Democratic party like how the Tea Party and MAGA took over the Republican Party, because if the Democrats run another pro-capital neoliberal after this shitshow, then America is truely done for (assuming we still have a democracy).
In interviews this week, Newsom cited billionaires who are shifting away from the state – such as Page and Brin, with whom he has longstanding relationships
Oh no not your personal connections! What ever will the career politician do when its his turn to rake in lobbyist money :( Please god dont let this man be the dem candidate in 28
As is already well known for most, USA only has 2 right wing parties, Democrats that are “normal” right wing. and Republicans that are extreme right wing, and has gone more and more insane over the past few decades.
There can be no doubt among normal reasonable people, that the wealth of the richest people in USA is insane now, and needs to be reigned in.
Of course an annual federal tax to achieve this would be preferable, but since that obviously isn’t happening anytime soon, it is up to the states. No one needs to have $1 billion, no one even needs a tenth of that.
The rich are so sociopathic they believe they are entitled to this, and then they call people working 2 jobs entitled for wanting a living wage and healthcare!It’s disgusting that this has become normalized, it is not normal! It is sociopathic, and only a sociopathic society would allow this, and at the same time have extreme poverty. This is not about making an efficient economy, it’s 100% about the sick entitlement of the rich.
If it doesn’t turn out that man was made in Madame Tussaud’s famous workshop, I will eat my hat.
I have an alternative theory:
Good! The LAST Thing I wanted was for Homeless Mothers to have SOME Sort of Social Security Net! I think INSTEAD those Homeless Mothers should pay MORE in Tax so we can Afford even MORE Tax Dodging Billionaires in the State!
If I get a chance I will vote for this tax.
All about the donors.
Gavin is such a god damn chode motherfucker. Democrats are limp-dicked bitches that keep voting to allow themselves to be constantly be cucked by these corporate-fascist democrats, or allow Republicans to continue to convince them banning guns and remaining unarmed while asking politely will convince conservatives to stop being Christian fascists.
I bet this chud cries in the dark as he listens to old Kirk podcasts
Oh, he’s still not the preordained nominee yet? Still has to prove to the party who his owners are?
THIS MAN IS THE FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE DNC 2028 PRESIDENTIAL
THIS MAN IS THE FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE DNC 2028 PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION
AGAIN, THIS MAN IS THE FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE DNC 2028 PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION
BOYCOTTING THE DNC DIDN’T MOVE THE PARTY LEFT IN 2016
BOYCOTTING THE DNC DIDN’T MOVE THE PARTY LEFT IN 2020
BOYCOTTING THE DNC DIDN’T MOVE THE PARTY LEFT IN 2024
BOYCOTTING THE DNC IN THE GENERAL ELECTION HAS ONLY MOVED THR OVERTON WINDOW FURTHER RIGHT AND GIVEN POWER TO FASCISTS.
IF YOU ASSHOLES SPENT HALF THE ENERGY BACKING PROGRESSIVES IN THE PRIMARIES THAT YOU DID BOYCOTTING THE DNC IN NOVEMBER, WE WOULDNT HAVE EVER BEEN IN THIS MESS.
