Gender identity among adolescents initiating hormone therapy is “highly stable,” the authors write.
While I love that right-wingers are constantly wrong about pretty mich all things, did anyone like… suspect otherwise?
We have known for a while now that pretty much every “opinion” (I am cheritable with that word here) they hold on the topic is rife with propaganda, hate and bigotry.
I add it to the pile they will never read and that we can push into their faces.
Edit: Spelling
I work with a lot of conservatives. Talking about studies like this and pushing back gently really does work, at least on an individual level. It’s frustrating and slow moving, but I’ve been able to get them to stop and think about what respecting others really means.
It’s like the bullshit asymmetry principle. You can spend months working on a conservative, getting them to trust you, and nudge their world-view from “hateful” to “iffy”. Meanwhile, they half-watch fox news for an hour and are ready to put {out-group} into a death camp.
It sucks. It feels unfair. Why do we have to do all this work when they’re the fuckups?
I do it because I work with them every day and, if you’ve seen me around Lemmy enough, I can’t keep my mouth shut.
I wouldn’t work on these people unless they were in my family, coworkers, or otherwise.
I mean, it has little to do with them being fuck ups and more to do with asymmetrical power and argument structures. They’ll get their talking points from fox first, so they get anchoring bias towards their position. Fox uses anger and fear to override logic, so their talking points are more memorable. Lastly, fox uses in/out group thinking, so attempting to argue someone out of one their positions can lead to social isolation from their peers.
So, you have a bunch of mad or scared people, repeating the first thing they heard about the thing that made them mad or scared, and they’ll experience extreme cognitive dissonance and fear of ostracization if you successfully convince them they’re wrong. It’s kind of a no-brainer why it’s hard to convince people away from those positions.
This was one of the reasons for the fairness doctrine, so a media group can’t just unilaterally decide to indoctrinate a whole swath of the public.
I don’t disagree with you. I was being flippant by describing “falling into the fox News disinformation black hole” as being a fuck-up. We’re all vulnerable to that kind of thing, thigh.
Yep, and this is one of the best things cis allies can do to help
We’ve known this. The study that showed people regretting transition that hateful people point to? They left out the fine print. The regret came from being treated like shit by awful people.
This data is really not new at all.
Levels of Satisfaction and Regret With Gender-Affirming Medical Care in AdolescenceWe have also known that detransition is largely caused by external factors, not “turning out not to be trans”:
Factors Leading to “Detransition” Among Transgender and Gender Diverse People in the United States: A Mixed-Methods AnalysisEdit: I really don’t know why this comment looks so broken in Photon. It looks fine on the default Lemmy UI.
Conservatives be thinking about everyone’s genitals way more than they do.
Especially the genitals of kids.
That’s why their mantra is think of the children
New Study same as the Old Study.
We’re going to keep churning out studies. They’re going to keep churning out violence against trans people.
Yep glad to have more evidence.
Anecdotally my identity did shift around that age going from nonbinary to binary female, and it was largely related to allowing myself to accept myself, experimenting with identities, and self reflection. Getting to hormones was extremely difficult.
And I do know someone who went from identifying as a binary man and taking T to nonbinary and not taking it. They’re still glad they took it long enough to have some voice and hair changes, they just didn’t like the emotional changes. They later got top surgery and were very glad to do so.
Everybody has regrets. Some say it’s better to regret what you have done, rather than what you haven’t done.
That’s an interesting caveat. What about the ones not on hormone therapy?
this one has been irritating me because of all the maple maga regurgitating it yet I’ve seen no evidence (edit: of anyone regretting it). what are they even basing it off of? Is it like that whole indians shitting on beaches thing where some fuckers just staged a video of it and every idiot in town took it to mean it was real and commonplace, and just ate it up and smeared it all over themselves and made it part of their shitty hive mind identity?
many is a relative term
They don’t care about facts. They care about making arguments that sound convincing. They don’t even care how many people are convinced, just to be the one doing the convincing (and thus getting the ad dollars)
You’ll never defeat them with logic, for they never respected that to begin with. You must beat them at their own game, convincing as many people via what ever method those people find convincing.
