Damn, those Hamas tunnels stretch far
Tatarstan is on the opposite side of Russia, by the way. Where many ethnic minorities live, such as those that the name implies, the Tatars.
Interesting target on part of the Ukrainian miitary since it’s generally just civilians in the area.
Yes, the sad reality is if you are being continually attacked by a neighboring country and are sending thousands of munitions into their country to try and make them stop, some innocent people will get killed
Russia purposely kills civilians. Ukraine seems to be trying to avoid killing civilians. Russia keeps attacking. They can stop attacking and make all this stop.
Russia purposely kills civilians.
If Russia did that youd see a similar strikes as the IOF and US forces did in Iran or the IOF doing in Gaza. Not saying Russia isnt killing civilians, but to say it’s on purpose reeks of Ukrainian propaganda.
I’ve just seen a lot of strikes on civilian buildings in Ukraine cities. A lot of apartment buildings with many deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022–present)
Weird how you ignore the fact that the AFU uses civilians as meatshields, which itself is a war crime https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-reveals-details-about-warehouse-explosion-that-rocked-kyiv-suburb-promises-dismissals-at-ukraines-largest-weapons-manufacturer/
@KimBongUn420 @dan1101 they kidnap Ukranian kids and sell them on websites asw
Fee-fi-fo-fum
I hear they grind Ukrainian children’s bones to make their bread.@davel its funny to see self-proclaimed “marxist-leninists” hide behind nursery rhymes and defend a oligarchic country for carrying out atrocious crimes. what are you going to do to me bro put me in your ‘shill-list’?
Russia is an oligarchy*, and I’m sure it has committed war crimes‡, but it’s not kidnapping & selling Ukrainian children. It’s not a cartoon villain as you are portraying it.
The shill list is for actual shills, of which there are probably less than a dozen in the entire threadiverse.
*As is Ukraine and every other capitalist state in the world.
‡As has Ukraine, over years prior to Feb. 2022.
@davel It is a well documented crime that ofc im sure you would brush off as ‘CIA psyops’ . But ofc lets completely ignore the arrest warrant issued by the ICC for Putin as well as belova one of them (belova) openly bragging about ‘correcting’ an abducted child she had adopted. gimme a break choom.
Let’s get Putin, Trump, Zelensky, and Netanyahu in the ICC today. You realize criticism of Ukraine isn’t Putin support right? Hello from reality, reaching out to lib anarkiddie Lala land!!
lol as a Marxist I am anti war. Yes, even tho Russia is run by the cartoon evil man you want it to be, that doesn’t mean I support my hard earned money going to pro western imperialist military action. Why do we have to militarily support them, why can’t we provide aid? Forgetting the fact I’m American and our version of “aid” is literally just sending a bunch of weapons to whoever interests us & then let em use it with impunity. Yeah that’s how you end wars, brilliant thinking. I’m sure the Ukrainian women you jerk off to on pornhub really appreciate these comments.
@deathmetaldawgy Ah yes the classic ‘Murican-Marxist’ take : ‘As an american taxpayer, the world centers around my country, and my version of anti-Imperialism means Ukrainians should surrender quietly to an invasion so that I can feel better about my tax money’. son, your self-centered isolationism isn’t anti-imperialism. Also, projecting your porn habits on Mastodon about a war crime debate says more about your search history than your arguments. cry bout your taxes to daddy Trump.
https://msmagazine.com/2022/03/30/ukraine-porn-war-women-russia-sex-trafficking/
I was referencing this, pornhub was morally involved in the war on ukraines side. It was the most Reddit thing I ever saw. As far as your insults go, they are very strange. I don’t even feel like you have a solid grasp on a leftist position. I am talking about diplomacy and you want to keep this war going so endless Ukrainian and Russian blood is spilled. Facts don’t care about YOUR feelings kid.
According to the Ukrainians yes. Meanwhile also Ukrainians: https://eng.obozrevatel.com/section-war/news-ukrainian-children-deported-by-russia-have-been-found-in-germany-details-have-emerged-17-04-2024.html
161 found per your article which only leaves ~19,339 still missing…
Let me guess your a feels over realz headline skimmer
Claiming a wild number to be abducted, silently admitting and contradicting that a few were found elsewhere.
Cites western sources
Ok
Ukraine seems to be trying to avoid killing civilians
They seem to be very bad at it considering they killed 14,000 of their own over eight years in the Donbas Republics, and that was before there was even officially a war on.
So the 14,000 number is straight from RT, and the number is the total number of casualties, military and civilian, caused by both sides during the 8 years of the WAR in the Donbas. So no, Ukraine did not kill 14,000 of it’s own civilians. And there would be zero casualties if the Russians hadn’t funded and supported separatists and then annexed Ukrainian territory.
“It’s not true but also it’s Russias fault for not just sitting back and doing nothing while ethnic Russians are slaughtered by Nazis on their border.”
The lengths you people will go to DARVO an ethnic cleansing campaign by actual, seig heil-ass Nazis would have been shocking to me a few years ago, before I saw you all actively support another Holocaust.
Yes, your numbers are not true. 14,000 ethnic Russians were not slaughter by Ukraine. 14,000 russian soldiers, separatist soldiers, Ukrainian soldiers, ethnic Ukrainian civilians, and ethnic Russian civilians were killed in total by both sides. That means Russia was also killing ethnic Russians in that total.
And the second part also holds true. Zero casualties if not for Russia invading. They are completely separate points from each other. But you know that, you’re just disengenuous
Free Palestine, death to nazis
I agree.
While there’s definitely a nazi population in Ukraine, there’s also a significant one in Russia too. As well as a number of other countries, mine included. Is the solution military invasion of the US, Canada, Poland, Germany, Russia, the UK, etc… etc…? And if not those countries why is Ukraine singled out for special treatment?
And before you say “these other countries weren’t slaughtering their own people” neither were nazis in Ukraine. My guess is your justification is another debunked RT talking point.
definitely a nazi population in Ukraine
Yeah and this specific nazi population runs the government. And while I appreciate that we agree on there being nazis, the mainstream narrative until it became undeniable was that this is a Russian lie, one of many inconsistencies in western media coverage that makes me go hmmm.
Is the solution military invasion of the US, Canada, Poland, Germany, Russia, the UK, etc… etc…?
If an internal proletarian revolution proves unviable then yes, outside force might be required. Capitalist countries need to be liberated and deradicalized for the safety of all mankind.
And if not those countries why is Ukraine singled out for special treatment?
I apply the same standards to those other countries so this part doesnt apply. Nobody “gets” to be fascist, fascists just do fascist shit and the world either stops them or doesn’t. Laws and norms are polite fictions and the bare fact of it is that everyone alive “gets” to do whatever nobody else stops them from doing.
And before you say “these other countries weren’t slaughtering their own people”
They are. They constantly are. They slaughter 114,000 of us every year just with forced medical neglct alone. Poverty, hunger, the commodification of medical care, crushing debt, endless wars, pollution, climate destruction, social atomization, mass surveilance, mass incarceration, austerity, privatization, militarized police brutality, all of these things are forms of mass violence knowingly perpetrated on us by the small class of rich pedophiles who decided back in 2014 to hijack Ukraine and try to crack open Russia with it, and now they’re building camps for us too.
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This is precisely what the fascists in Europe want to see happening:
During a press conference held by Vladimir Zelensky and Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic in Belgrade, Martens posed a provocative question about what European nations could do to “help kill more Russians.” In response, an online petition was launched calling for the journalist’s removal from his post.
oh wow, what a useful post to see what sub to unsub from 🖕👍
Heaven forbid you ever interact with anyone you disagree with.
Why even leave Reddit?
I’ve never understood the urge to proudly announce that you’re curating an echo chamber, but you do you
they should stop shooting the drones down so they don’t crash into civilian infrastructure and let them hit their military targets, fucking Russians.
this is deliberate , as ukraine loses , they shift their tactics towards terrorism
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Civilians die in wars, this isn’t what the discussion is about. The discussion here is about the fact that Ukraine is deliberately targeting civilians having transitioned firmly into territory of doing terrorism. Of course, being an artless troll that you are, you would ignore that fact.
A Ukrainian drone attack on Monday hit the Russian city of Nizhnekamsk in the Tatarstan region, more than 600 miles from the Ukrainian border, and killed at least 13 people, including a child, and wounded 75.
Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Maria Zakharova said that *the strike hit industrial sites *and residential buildings, and Rustam Minnikhanov, the head of the Republic of Tatarstan, said nine of the dead were killed when a drone hit a hostel.
Russian strikes also hit Ukraine, and at least 24 people were injured by a glide bomb attack on the city of Zaporizhzhia, according to The Associated Press. Russia typically responds to Ukrainian drone attacks that cause significant civilian casualties by launching major missile attacks on Ukrainian cities.
Emphasis mine text from article posted by OP
Yes it was definitely intentional to slime 9 randos in the hostel and not the 3 refineries next to it… /s
It however was entirely intentional for Russia to use the failed intercept of a Ukrainian drone targeting Russian oil export industry to justify a cruise missile targeting Ukrainian residential infrastructure in Zaporizhzhia.
Here is a Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nizhnekamsk,+Republic+of+Tatarstan,+Russia/@55.5803216,51.9203775,5968m/
TANECO Refinery: Owned by Tatneft, it features a design capacity exceeding 300,000 barrels a day (16.2 million tons per year) with high refining depth.
TAIF-NK Refinery: Nizhnekamsk’s second-largest refinery, processing over 8 million tons of crude annually into Euro-5 fuels and kerosene.
Nizhnekamskneftekhim: One of Europe’s largest petrochemical and synthetic rubber plants, closely linked to industrial supply chains.
artless troll
I draw plenty of art but I don’t think I can post NSFW here
Russia typically responds to Ukrainian drone attacks that cause significant civilian casualties by launching major missile attacks on Ukrainian cities.
So your response is to admit that Ukraine is typically doing it first, but still somehow come down on their side instead of just the rational human response of “war crimes are bad specifically because they lead to reprisals, and everyone needs to stop doing them but especially the side doing them first.”
Holy fuck do you not have any reading comprehension that is a direct quote from the in my opinion heavily biased article posted by OP. I guess expecting basic comprehension was a leap too far.
war crimes are bad specifically because they lead to reprisals, and everyone needs to stop doing them but especially the side doing them first
Something tells me you do not believe that statement
https://www.amnesty.org/en/projects/russias-aggression-in-ukraine/
Why was a civilian building targeted deliberately?
Two wrongs don’t make a right and all that… but this is the classic holding one to a higher standard IF this was accidental. There sure as fuck is a lot of anti Ukraine stuff in the past couple of weeks popping up in my feed and I’m starting to get suspicious of it.
Why was a civilian building targeted deliberately
it was not. Id wager it was a failed intercept based on the trajectory and the fact it landed right before the refinery.
Here is a Map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nizhnekamsk,+Republic+of+Tatarstan,+Russia/@55.5803216,51.9203775,5968m/
Red is the Hostel Blue is the refineries.
The question was to the guy above. I’m not accusing Ukraine of targetting a hostel, but the guy went on a rant anyway.
You got to poke holes at their pittiful attempts and watch them crumble. Or like in this case, spiral into nonsense.
Nobody is talking about two wrongs making a right here except you. Pretending this is accidental is the height of dishonesty however, given that this is a well documented pattern now. The only thing I’m suspicious off here are people like you carrying water for a literal fascist regime.
Maybe Russia shouldn’t put hotels next to its petrochemical plants seems like a hazard to the health of the occupants https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nizhnekamsk,+Republic+of+Tatarstan,+Russia/@55.5803216,51.9203775,5968m/
Okay, is that the road you want to go down? Maybe the Ukrainian puppet government shouldn’t put ammo dumps in cities and send out kidnapping squads to beat the shit out of terrified people and traffic them to the front line.
Maybe fascist Russia shouldn’t start an imperalist war to steal Ukrainian land. How pathetic are you to completely miss that concept?
These comments are wild… i don’t get how Ukraine and Russia are both Fascists now and according to them, equally bad…
What the fuck is happening here.
Oh, Russia responds?
So. You tell me Russia did not start killing civilians?
https://ukraine.ohchr.org/en/reports/protection-of-civilians
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