Edit: I have to commute 1,5 hours oneway to get to work. HomeOffice is allowed 2 times a week. So I am leaving when my son is still in bed and come back when he is in bed again. Thing is, the money is good and the job is kind of a dream job for me.
Edit2: Wow! Thank you for your comments. These are exactly the thoughts Inhad in my mind, but couldn’t point my fingers on them. Unfortunately there is no way to get more days wfh, because high management says so. So i came to the descision to either ask for part time or get the new job asap
I was on similar threads on Reddit where 90% of the replies were: “do it! do it! who gives a fuck! do it!”, and here the replies seem to be 90% “actually we care about what happens to you, so let’s weigh the pros and cons”. I guess it says a lot about the difference between both communities. 😉
This place is such a breath of fresh air isn’t it lol
Sure is!
It’s a tough market at the moment, so it’s never a bad time to start looking, but I wouldn’t quit until I had something in hand
I think you should look into trying to move closer to where you work. If that’s not possible then look for a different job, set it up first, then go ahead with quitting this one.
This is definitely the most reasonable approach.
The best time to look for a job is when you already have one. Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that just because you are spreading your resume around you have to leave eventually. Actively pursue other opportunities while still giving your current job all the attention it warrants.
I last started looking for a job because I had an asshole manager, but didn’t find anything worth leaving over, so I stayed. That guy eventually failed upwards, out of my management chain. But I eventually got hooked up with my current job based on that search. I wouldn’t say it’s a dream job, but it’s definitely better.
Write down on a bit of paper “I want to spend more time with my son, I can always find another job”, then flip it over and write “I’m going to spend my time on work, I can always have another kid” and see how you feel.
Don’t quit unless you have a new job first. I had a friend quit first and he’s still looking over 8 months later.
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Yep. The old adage is “its easier to find work when you’re working”
I’ve always found it harder to find a job when I was not working vs. when I was.
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Don’t quit your dream job. You have 4 days per week at home and a job you love. That is a dream to a lot of people.
This. And you can move closer if you intend to keep this job and have a pretty good feeling that they won’t fire you. Especially if you’re currently renting, just look at closer rentals when your lease is coming up.
I guess that’s really the POV you need to look at. There are 7 days a week and you only have to travel on 3 of them. That’s better than most people. I am a firefighter and I don’t see my home for 3 days a week. Sounds crazy but I love my schedule compared to family/friends that are gone 5 days a week through the day. They may sleep in their bed at night, but that’s about it.
That’s how my boys have grown up. It’s a different life, and not an easy one. Mostly it’s the 48+ hr shifts that are rough.
For me a few factors would be prevalent, I’d have several questions to ask myself.
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What type of commuting? If you’re driving, that’s a very large time sink of 9 hours a week with little opportunity to do anything worthwhile with it. But if you’re on a train, then maybe you can work some entertainment and enhancement into your commute time because you have the gift of attention, and that time wouldn’t go fully to waste. Buy a Steam Deck and play games on the way in and home. Or bring a novel to read. Or find some professional development materials online to bring with you, and skill up as you travel. Anything but allowing that time to bleed into the void.
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Might your company be open to giving you more home working time? Even three days at home weekly versus two is a HUGE quality of life difference. One day office, or fully remote, even better still. If your role definitely doesn’t have to be physically there, and you would save your company office space for other uses, you may be able to make a pretty good business case, if you can find the tangible wins for your employer.
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Failing all that, I’d check around to see if I could land a similar role at a different company that allowed full remote or less office time. Even if you take a slight pay cut, remember that reclaiming that commute time is valuable (both in the time itself and the lessening of expenses, like wear and tear and fuel for a vehicle, or 150 round trip train tickets and external lunches a year, et cetera) and should be weighed into what you’re “really” making.
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Above all, if you decide a change is in order, have your new thing lined up first. The economy is tightening almost everywhere right now and if you’re unemployed, it can take quite a while to get a preferable new job lined up. Do that work on the side while in your current job if you decide to do it.
Apologies for the book, this is just fresh for me, I was doing all of this analysis up until a few months ago, when my company pivoted from three days a week in the office (which was wrecking me) to two days a month, solving my dilemma. We’re obviously not the same people with identical lives, but I thought some insight from someone who’d recently had the same situation might help. Best of luck to you!
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Is moving closer to your work not an option?
Unfortunately no, just bought a house
Still, if you want the job and more home life, you gotta live closer to work.
Wait…you just bought a house 1.5h away from your good paying dream job? WTF is wrong with you? Bail on the house, eat the loss and move closer.
Okay, that said, I was in your position 20 years ago. It wasn’t my dream job and it wasn’t great pay, but it was a field I was moving into and it was steady work. I found some land an hour away from my job and built my dream house from scratch. FF two years, I’ve got an 8 month old and I’m in your boat with the evenings and mornings and never seeing her.
After some number crunching I quit my job and opened my own business. In my first 8 months I made nothing. I burned through the 10k in savings and startup money and another 10k I’d made doing jobs. In my second year I grossed 60k - almost enough to replace my salary, not including any benefits. We were living off my wife’s salary for that time. By year 4 my wife quit her job to work part time for me (accountant) and rest of the time be with the kid. Got our asses kicked in 09 and spent all my salary on my employees (still had to drop one) and three years later things were okay but I closed the office and moved to work from home as a single consultant. The last decade has been wonderful and the clientele and self determination means I’m around for pretty much every event DD does. I’m still middle class (call it 75-80th percentile) - no new car in the drive, sold the dream home to move into a small 1960s house in town to get a better school district. Life is good and I’m glad I didn’t stay at my job.
I was lucky and nobody should ever underestimate how much luck goes into success. You having a good paying, enjoyable job. That’s pretty damned lucky. Think hard before rolling the dice but if you do - may the wind be at your back.
Bought the house more than a year ago, landed the job 4 months ago
Moving home is a big ask. Clearly, you like the place as you bought it.
So, maybe asking your management if more WFH is an option. The worst they can say is no, and you will have your answer. From there, if they say yes, you have more time with your son. If they say no, you thank them for considering your request, keep your head down while at work, and quietly look for something more suitable to your lifestyle needs.
It may take a couple of weeks, or it may take a few months. Get paid while you are looking, and do not work until you have that signed employment contract in your hands!
If your employer would not want to lose you, think about what would make it work better for you and then talk to your manager. More days WFH, or shorter hours on days you’re in the office, or a big fat relocation package, or whatever works for you.
If they can’t/won’t help, don’t quit until you have another job lined up. Make sure they know it’s why you’re leaving.
I would ask, what do you value more? You’re career or your family?
Definitelyy my family, but as this is kind of my dreamjob, this is a tough decision
Definitely family followed by maybe career though. No wonder you’re stuck, you haven’t decided yet which one is worth sacrificing for the other.
Is there a related job within reach that would allow you to see your family more? Would your current job consider allowing full time work from home to keep you around?
Edit. Finally noticed your second edit. Good for you! I’m glad you have made a plan that you are 100% interested in that lines up with your values.
I don’t have advice, I just can’t understand why more companies don’t allow WFH full time. The company I work for went WFH at the start of the quarantine in 2020. We are currently doing better than ever, and going to the office remains completely optional.
So did my company. But I’m under no illusion. They didn’t do it for their employees, they did it to save money. They ended up closing about 12 offices in CA alone saving millions in leases and utility costs. Doesn’t really matter to me though, as long as I get to stay home.
I am working from home ever since the pandemic started and I can say with confidence that talking with people in real life is way more productive. You grab your notebook or a whiteboard, it’s much easier to get your point across and for everyone to chime in.
Ideally, I’d enjoy at least a day or two with the team but it’s not reasonable for a (small) company to pay for an office with such low attendance. With the same money you can hire another dev, which we really need.
Tough one. But here’s how I would decide.
3 days a week of not being able to see your kid is a big price to pay. You can do it if it is meaningfully taking you somewhere. To the next level. Something. But can you keep doing this forever? I couldn’t. I’d only be able to do it for a finite period because it would move the needle on our lives somehow.
Even if you don’t quit now, you have to realize this isn’t sustainable. Make a plan for when you need to leave by, and work torwards it. It may be a month, a year, or 5 years. But the fact that you’re considering leaving means this ISN’T a dream job.
