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        Alot of things are a “cancer” on lemmy in my opinion.

        My opinion on the subject is

        I’m personally a believer in freedom of speech so If these extreme left wing folk want go go off galbanting about all that shite that’s all fine n dandy prehaps lemmy.world may benefit from being more pro freedom of speech prehaps not that’s not for me to decide it’s upto the instance owner

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      Also, blocking users doesn’t prevent them from posting on your shit,

      Good… On a forum based platform it’s better to not restrict people’s ability to respond to things, as it can help combat people’s ability to block those arguing with them right after making easily counterable points to prevent decent comebacks

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        It’s a nightmare for harassment though, treating all blocking as a sissy snowflake shield renders it essentially useless for circumstances where the other user is really malicious.

        In that case having a system like Mastodon’s that locks them out of Replying is better than simply covering them up. We can’t really rely on Instance admins to block all malicious users or defederate from all malicious platforms so there needs to be a certain level of protection from the user’s side.

        I do think that Blocking and Restricting (preventing a user from interacting) should be different functions, you block communities and users because you don’t want to see them, but you restrict users because they are hostile, malicious, or make bad-faith arguments.

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        Nah, your right to keep debating ends when someone else decide’s they’re not a platform for further discussion.

        No longer being able to reply to the blocker, and ideally not even being able to see the blocker is the ideal, and both the blocker and the blockee should need to agree to reopen contact for the block to go down.

        Like a restraining order, stops the original blocker from raising and lowering it at will as a harassment tactic.

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        Remember blocking on Reddit? It made it so you couldn’t reply to anything in the chain. So if someone different replied to you you wouldn’t be able to reply to them even though they aren’t who blocked you.

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          That was a recent change, and one for the worse. Part of the reason I’m using lemmy as well now that boost is functioning for it

  • @PieMePlenty
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    Hot take: none. Let information flow free. Take it with the good and the bad. Don’t lock yourself in an echo chamber.

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      i never understood this take. echo chambers aren’t inherently bad; forced debates are never good. communities are supposed to be places you go to feel comfortable not where you’d forced to debate or turn anything into an argument.

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        Exposure to other viewpoints is good. No need to debate. And if you’re on a large instance, you’ll see that. Not everyone thinks alike, there are shades of gray. Discussion is allowed to happen but intolerance isn’t tolerated.

        The tankie instances ban anyone for even asking questions politely that they don’t agree with. It’s a total monoculture and I assume they’re mostly still kids, because everything is black and white and can be solved without any nuance at all.

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          Exposure to other viewpoints is good yes, but is it good when that exposure only ever gets you insults hurled your way from the people you’re trying to have a discussion with?

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            exactly. everywhere irl all i see is people debating my existence. i just want one place where i don’t have to think about that. x.x

          • @stevehobbes
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            Nope, definitely not - which is why I’m not a free speech absolutist. Let those instances sit on an island by themselves.

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            Is exposure to other viewpoints good when those viewpoints are half-baked straw man hot-takes that the users are just parroting because they heard their favorite YouTuber say it?

            I don’t need to be exposed to yet another dipshit who insists the holodomor never happened. That’s not me avoiding other viewpoints, that’s me avoiding fucking morons.

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          This is very close to the Nazi point of “just asking questions” or when they say it’s just free speech. Not saying you’re arguing it, but it is a very thin line.

          What’s the line then? Why do people ban Nazis and not tankies? Tankies are authoritarian, they defend the massacre of Ukrainians, the Uyghur genocide, and other historic “socialist” atrocities. Why do we give them leeway? Are they skirting the line just enough? Are they intentionally using the optics of socialism to do so? Etc.

          Keep in mind, just because someone blocks someone or an instance it doesn’t necessarily make the space an echo chamber. We don’t know if they live in a state or work in a place that is blasting Fox News 24/7. They may be very active on Twitter exposed to that sewage. Heck, the liberal point of view is quite a lot as is with the way they are defending Israel.

          • @stevehobbes
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            I think I’m arguing the exact opposite. We should ban/defederate nazis and tankies. But we shouldn’t ban people with different views that aren’t beyond the pale.

            You can have a nuanced opinion of Israel/Palestine without being labeled as a genocide denier since it’s still in the fog of war.

            It’s much harder to have a nuanced opinion about Rohingya, the Holocaust, Uyghur, Darfur.

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              I like your response. I don’t have much else to add.

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          I assume they’re mostly still kids, because everything is black and white and can be solved without any nuance at all.

          This is SO important. Remember that the “Dirtbag Left” a la Chapo et al. was created when the Alt Right was running rampant in high schools. Their goal was to attract young people to the left. Which is great! There’s a place for cringe edgy teens to feel like they can fight for a better world. But I’m really not looking to hang out with arrogant teenagers right now, and definitely not with their emotionally immature adult chaperones.

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          The fact that they are mostly kids is a big part of the reason why I feel the need to add context to their bad political science.

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          Even if the other viewpoint is that trans people should get shot or locked up and are members of a secret child sex ring? I don’t think I want that on my feed. I don’t want people that want to kill me on my screen while I shit

          • @stevehobbes
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            Nope, not at all. All that falls into the intolerant and intolerable category.

            Defending capitalism or Israel - or even suggesting that both sides might have agendas - will get you banned in quite a lot of subs here.

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            Nope, not at all. All that falls into the intolerant and intolerable category.

            Defending capitalism or Israel - or even suggesting that both sides might have agendas - will get you banned in quite a lot of subs here.

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              Okay, but this is more about blocking instances that are very extreme. Those can most of the time not be discussed with

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        90% of the time it’s bigots who are upset that they’re getting deplatformed. The other 10% of the time it’s the incredibly idealistic or naive. Either way it’s a crap argument. You are under no obligation to endure verbal diarrhea, nor is it your responsibility to change the minds of the people spewing it. They shit the bed, they can lie in it.

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        Normal interactions with normal communities will be plenty of diversity, there’s absolutely no reason to engage with or listen to nazis. Right wing politics has mastered brainwashing, it’s dangerous to read that shit too often.

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          They’ve mastered brainwashing to conservative religious nutjobs and incels. Maybe young and naive teenage boys, on top of that. If you aren’t an idiot or a teen, you should be immune for the most part.

          Not that I’m saying you should go out of your way to interact with Nazis. Unless the interaction involves punching.

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            If you aren’t an idiot or a teen you should be immune for the most part.

            Yes but the problem is between idiots and teens you’ve covered about 70% of the population.

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      Hot take indeed.

      If the dog shits on the floor you don’t just start walking around it, you clean the floor.

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          Not at all, it’s just making it so the dog has to shit outside in a particular spot you never have to walk through

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          What? No it’s not. If I block an instance it’s still up and running, I just don’t see any of it. It’s like if I put on a selective blindfold.

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      yes I need to see the fascists masquerading as leftists otherwise I would be living in an echo chamber…

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        They’ll certainly bring up an actual good point from time to time, unlike actual fascists.

        Mostly though you can negate the majority of their most obnoxious shit takes by blocking users.

        But my instance isn’t federated with Lemmygrad and Hexbear as is so I can get away with that, and I don’t see “Genocide is okay if” takes in my feed.

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          They’ll certainly bring up an actual good point from time to time, unlike actual fascists.

          and a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day doesn’t mean it’s useful to have it taking up space on the wall.

          also they are actual fascists. in the chapo trap house community I literally got the reply “ukraine should be destroyed at all costs”

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          Thanks for the nuance. While I agree that tankies can be annoying, I think it’s stupid to compare them to fascists with the whole “red fash” thing. Just because they have some terrible takes of their own, it doesn’t make them fascist.

          The worst of them do deny genocides, which is terrible, but they do it out of a habit of denying anything western powers claim actually happened. I imagine many of their members are trolls and contrarians, as well. Despite this, like you said, some of them have decent takes and not all of them are off the deep end, yet

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        People who say this are generally fine being a part of every other instance that is full of liberals who repeat fascist propaganda verbatim. Seen rather clearly in response to the recent escalations in Gaza.

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      Not so hot take: My time is finite, why force myself to see shitty facebook memes, dog pictures, crusty “battlestations”, etc.?

    • @[email protected]
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      Hexbear kind of pissed me off for a week. But I kind of like how nakedly transparent they are. Now, whenever I come across one of those threads, I see where its coming from and I relax. They’re just pro-russia regardless of if it makes sense. I don’t know what the Murica equivalent of Russia is, but they’re that

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        What fucking kills me is they’re like 80% American teenagers who have never even been to Europe or Asia, but simp hard for Russia and China

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        They’re anti US, not necessarily pro Russia. They support Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war because they think Ukraine is a US puppet state because the country wants to align with Western nations, and of course no nation on earth has its own agency and everything is the US’s fault. They’re pro anything that challenges the US and other liberal countries.

        They remind me of a bunch of teenagers trying to be edgy.

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        They are campists. It’s been the bane of leftist parties forever. That’s why socialism really got a foothold in Europe via third-way social democracy, because it doesn’t feel the need to make tyrants into folk heroes in order to relitigate the cold war

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        Vatnik.

        Do they support Russia or Putin? If they support one, they hate another.

    • @SasquatchBanana
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      Would you say the same when someone is harassing you? Or how about if they were Nazis? Because keep in mind OP is just blocking them and not removing them from all of lemmy.

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        OP is asking which ones to block because he currently is not being harassed. If he was being harassed, he would know which ones to block.

    • @Evotech
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      I can’t read German or french

      • Tug
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        Same here, but every now and then an English source comes through so I keep them available.

      • @[email protected]
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        Oh mein Gott er kann kein Deutsch lesen grundgütiger wie kann man das nicht können c’est incroyable, non c’est impossible je voudrait penser mais non

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        I like getting exposed to languages that I’m not fluent in. Sometimes I pick something up or get curious and learn something new from translation. A multilingual internet is a colorful and beautiful place.

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      That’d be fine if the tankie takes had any value to them. The only value they’ve added to me is showing me why real world communism has always ended up the way it has. And now I’ve learned that lesson, so theres no further value

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      I have no need for those weird anime fan clubs. Like that chainsaw shit. Or holo-whatever

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      My hot take is: Depending on the individual, this may be a healthy and responsible thing to do. The outrage cycle that was established in commercial social media to “drive engagement” is very bad for our meat computers (shown in multiple studies). It is much healthier and more productive, at times, to block users, communities, and potentially instances (removing this ability, and forcing me to use their algorithm for sorting, is why I left Reddit, in addition to the harm caused to disabled communities).

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      I disagree, I would love to block NSFW instances, and I’m grateful to the users that voluntarily post in there. For me Lemmy is too searchable for me to get into those luxuries.

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      Lemmy.ml is somewhat more neutral. In Lemmygrad you can sometimes have a discussion, but you will probably be downvoted. Hexbear is just toxic, it’s like Lemmygrad but for 14 year olds.

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          I can tell you Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are not the same. If anything, lemmy.ml is privacy/tech based more than anything, with disdain for capitalism. They’re not hardcore “AYE, COMRADE” like hexbear or lemmygrad, Jesus christ

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            Theyre run and populated by the exact same people, bud

            They are a little bit more mask on than mask off, but they are just as hardcore tankie because its literally the same people

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              NO??? ml was the first general purpose instance and so had the most amount of users at the beginning, meaning a lot of normal communities developed there

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                Don’t confuse the newbie who just got out of his Reddit bubble, he’s scared and alone

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                  Right, keep pretending the admins arent the same. Blame reddit for your confusion over 2 servers being owned by the same people.

                  Surely you will look clever, and smart. No one will find you out

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                  Oh good! Let’s trot out the condescension!

                  Your sense of entitled elitism does not redound to the quality of your character.

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                  there’s a lot of paranoia about some of the least threatening people I’ve ever encountered

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          wdym by

          They took over the domain a couple of months ago. ?

          wasn’t ml started by Dessalines/nutomic??

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          THAT makes sense why ani.social defederated from Lemmy.ml (I only subscribed to the anime instance since it had the largest user base)

          Edit: the “.ml” anime instance is still the largest compared to everyone else. What a shame that we can’t move away from it

          This was Ani’s side of the story: https://ani.social/comment/2199318

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                Gonna have to be that guy again, but underage cartoon porn is not CSAM. CSAM as a term was invented to help law enforcement focus their limited resources on actual child victims. Underage cartoons are still child pornography, and still wrong and illegal, but CSAM is something else and deserves more immediate action.

                There’s no point in having technical terminology if it isn’t used correctly :o)

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              I don’t visit ani.social, a quick glimpse just now shows me a few Images that seem like borderline, but not straight-up “drawn sexualized child characters”. No idea how they usually are.

              But from following the story, it seems pretty typical that even the lemmy.ml admins - who develop Lemmy as a whole - would do a defederation without a public transparent process or even a notification to the deferated instance. That’s straight up unpolite.

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          Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It’s debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.

          Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I’ve had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.

          Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn’t break any rules.

          Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they’re still looking for any excuse. I haven’t had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn’t consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.

          One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.

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            the modlogs are public, anyone can just go on hexbear, plug in your name and see why you got banned:

            here’s one of your removed comments:

            mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by [email protected]

            the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)

            mod Banned [email protected] reason: convicted on purgery (malding over a comm ban :farquaad-point:)

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              People finding out that their history of being an asshole is public information will never not be funny

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                Be specific, which part of that was me being an asshole?

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              Lol you think I hadn’t already checked that during this discussion? I don’t need to go to hexbear to see it, lemm.ee is still federated so it shows up in my local modlog. What’s weird is that my ban on lemmy.ml doesn’t for some reason, it looks like a bug where it didn’t federate through properly - the comments shown as removed on the lemmy.ml modlog are still there on lemm.ee.

              here’s one of your removed comments:

              mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by [email protected]

              So what exactly in that is genocide apologia? Just because I’m criticising Palestinian attacks gone past does not mean I support Israel’s response in any way. The comment literally finishes with me criticising both sides - ie, implying that all genocide is wrong.

              the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)

              It wasn’t a meltdown, the message I sent was very tame - sarcastically thanking him for getting me banned. Feel free to dig it up, it was posted on Chapo. You’d struggle to call it “malding” - but then, that’s what you’re all about isn’t it? Slapping a bullshit label that really doesn’t fit, then arguing against that label. It’s a form of scarecrow argument, one that is completely transparent when you actually look at it.

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                I don’t care about your justification for both siding an ongoing genocide

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                  I didn’t “both side” the genocide - that would be saying that both sides are justified in committing genocide. I’m saying anyone who commits genocide is wrong. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of people caught up in the middle of it all. You would apparently dehumanise one portion of these people, because you value the other portion more. That is reprehensible.

                  In any case, we’re not talking about my justification, we’re talking about hexbear moderators’ justification - of which there apparently is none. Thus, my point stands: hexbear is a dumpster fire; and that implies that hexbear devotees are trashy.

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          And attempt to engage in secondary unused communities? A lot of the most active communities are on it, you are just asking for your home page to be either way too filtered or a wasteland.