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WASHINGTON, D.C. – After narrowly backing Israel’s military action in Gaza in November, Americans now oppose the campaign by a solid margin. Fifty-five percent currently disapprove of Israel’s actions, while 36% approve.
I’ve been preaching that centrist stance for a while. You and I have tangled over it before.
But public sentiment is definitely changing.
I still think that taking a strong stance against Israel will harm Biden more than help.
But that might not be true for much longer. If this trend continues, then what you’ve been wrong about before will become right.
Shut the fuck up already.
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I actually don’t understand this stance. Pro-Israel people tend to be one of these groups:
1-People who simply grew up with the propaganda and are still believing it. These lost the majority of democratic voters recently, and they’re only decrease more, but more importantly to them this isn’t an election-deciding issue. I think we can agree that this group doesn’t care as much about Israel as they do about Trump not becoming president. There’s just not much for them at stake.
2-Zionist Jews. This is usually pointed to as the demographic Biden will lose if he doesn’t support Israel, but the thing is: Jews are less likely to support Israel than the general population. If anything being tougher on Israel might win Biden Jewish votes.
3-Evangelicals. These are the real deal here, but let’s face it: How many of these were voting democrat to begin with?
Yes a very large number of people support Israel, but that’s not the number we need to worry about. The really important question is: How many people on either side will take it as an election-defining issue and how likely are those people to lose Biden the election? Given that losing Muslims alone is liable to make Biden lose, and he’s losing (mainly young) progressives on top of that, I think we can see the answer to that question.
How many Muslims do you think there are in the US??
I don’t necessarily agree. As I said, that’s changing. But yes, the average, ill-informed, centrist voter until very recently would have very strong opinions about Biden not supporting Israel. Maybe not enough alone to sway a vote, but with such close sentiment already it would push a large number over the edge.
Irrelevant question.
A better question is - How many Muslims are in Michigan?
And the answer to that is - Enough to flip the state, and therefore the election, to Trump.
Possibly. Another relevant question - how many white centrists in Wisconsin, Nevada, and Arizona?
People who would vote for Trump because Biden chose not to support genocide? Probably not many. From what I understand real centrists are a dying breed.
Politically active centrists are a dying breed, because if they actually paid attention they wouldn’t be centrists.
But somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 of the country falls into the low-information voter category.
I mean low-information voter is one thing, but I think even those people either understand that Trump is a threat to democracy or think that he’s their messiah who descended from the sky.
It seems like that to us, because those are the types we’re exposed to. The low info voters don’t comment on political articles.
Thank you for telling us which demographic you consider indispensable.
Not too many Russians in America, so I couldn’t say them, I know that’s so disappointing for you
I didn’t say “tell me what you call people you hate because they oppose genocide.”
Not people. Just people like you. Agitators in the service of foreign powers.
so as an asian who supports israel,which group do i belong to?
bearing in mind i am not in any abrahamic religion and i support Israel military actions against hamas and their supporters but not palestinians.
You’re number 1. “Military actions against Hamas and their supporters but not Palestinians” don’t exist in Gaza.
sounds to me you are a hamas supporter that supports genocide and the oct 7th attack didn’t happen kinda people.
Nice strawman. You’re literally supporting genocide and apartheid.
as opposed to letting hamas commit genocide per their charter??
Israel has had a permanent occupation of the Occupied Palestinian Territories since 1967, maintaining an apartheid state through direct and indirect violence.
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation.
What Is Hamas? - Council on Foreign Relations
What Does Hamas Actually Want? - NY Mag
Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
Hamas Election - Snopes
Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter
The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. The 2017 Revised charter accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter
you are aware,despite their charter saying what is it they represent and do,the reality is they do what they have always wanted,genocide,from the river to the sea,even that statement remains in their 2017 revised charter.
i had to go read through your links,while some does provide insights to the conflict, i get the nagging feeling here you are trying to villify israel while painting hamas as a victim of circumstances. this is a typical propaganda tactic employed by…hamas and their supporters (surprising,i know).
if you find israel’s punishment of innocent palestians for hama’s actions indiscriminate,maybe trying calling out hamas for their indiscriminate terror attacks on israel.
an eye for an eye makes the world go blind,israel isn’t the good guys here and neither is hamas.
Why are you bragging about being wrong?
Particularly about being wrong about genocide?
It’s all he is.
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Speak of the devil.
You managed to go 6 whole sentences without screaming that I’m a Russian because I oppose the genocide you love. I didn’t know you had it in you.
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Thank you for illustrating exactly what I was talking about.
My position has been consistent and clear: Biden should stop supporting genocide. I have never supported voting for Trump and never will. I will be voting for Biden in the general election. Your anger at me is exclusively due to my opposition to genocide. I’m glad that most Americans are better than you.
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