• @deranger
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    The NCTA has repeatedly stated over the years that net neutrality rules aren’t needed because ISPs already follow net neutrality principles. “Internet service providers have always delivered open, unrestricted Internet service. Consumers enjoy the web content and applications of their choosing without any blocking, throttling, or interference,” the group said.

    Lmao, really? The audacity of these cunts.

    • Baron Von J
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      1872 months ago

      Wow. Talk about professional gaslighting. Not enough people are aware that the Obama-era FTC enacted the policy because AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon were all caught throttling Netflix and prioritizing their own competing services.

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        Maybe if they didn’t sell people more bandwidth than they could provide they wouldn’t have to throttle people below the service they paid for to work for everyone.

        I would, in theory, be all for allowing companies to prioritize latency to services and protocols that benefit from it. Except they oversell the absolute shit out of their service, and can’t be trusted to give you what you pay for if they don’t like your traffic.

        Failing to provide the full bandwidth they advertised for even one percent of a given month should result in fines that massively exceed what they charged for that month. Selling shit you don’t have is not acceptable.

    • @bisby
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      892 months ago

      Oh good, if that is all true, you wont have to change anything to be compliant with new laws and should have no issue with them.

    • @WhatsThePoint
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      122 months ago

      Money has no shame. Businesses only have reactionary shame in relation to possible loss of money.

    • @[email protected]
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      112 months ago

      It’s funny because wireless ISPs literally advertise that they throttle video to certain resolutions unless you buy a higher tier.

    • @Mango
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      32 months ago

      ROFL! Order today and you can get unlimited bandwidth for YouTube and Netflix specifically!

  • @[email protected]
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    1252 months ago

    The cable lobby loves to bring up rural areas but when we gave them millions to build out they just took the money, said fuck it and did jack shit. I’m beginning to think that they prefer to under serve those areas and then use that as a bargaining chip to get everything they want.

    • @foggy
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      522 months ago

      I am in New England. Looking to buy a home. The amount of area that is not covered at 100/10 is fucking criminal. Like, they upped my price this year. For what? Transferring packets didn’t get more expensive. Did you go e your employees raises? No? Are you expanding your infrastructure? No?

      Like what the fuck.

      • @[email protected]
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        22 months ago

        Numerous places I’ve lived had contracts with Comcast so there was no option but them, and the speed is shit, maybe they needed to raise prices to pay for their forced monopolies.

    • @[email protected]
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      242 months ago

      The power companies in my area started installing fiber on the power lines and running their own ISPs.

      No data caps or anything, I’m raw dogging these torrents at like 80 megabytes a second, I even started running my own home server

      • @sqibkw
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        62 months ago

        80 megaBYTES? What part of the US are you in?

          • @sqibkw
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            22 months ago

            Yeah I’m just surprised how fast that is, dang

            • Jojo
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              22 months ago

              Gigabit fiber is a thing, and not at all uncommon in a lot of places.

      • @[email protected]
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        82 months ago

        My parents live in butt fuck nowhere and are in a fiber co-op paying like $70/month for unlimited 1gbps up/down.

        Meanwhile I live in the (extremely left) Capitol City of my state and pay Comcast $165/month for like 175mbps capped at 1TB, with some absurd overage fee like $10/5GB over until I hit $100 over and then it’s “unlimited” but seems throttled.

    • @Aecosthedark
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      82 months ago

      In Australia we watched American ISPs do exactly that and then we did the exact same thing with the exact same result because our politicians are corrupt pieces of shit with no backbone, integrity or ethics.

    • @[email protected]
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      32 months ago

      The dumbasses that gave them the money should have made it so the companies did the work FIRST, then get reimbursed when they could prove they finished it. Whole thing was stupid.

    • @[email protected]
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      12 months ago

      Comcast for decades have said on their website they support my parent’s address but they obviously do not since there are no cables on the poles for Internet. We’ve tried calling and asking to fix it and we’ve tried calling to just get someone out so we can prove they don’t service it but each time we scheduled an appointment nobody showed up and when calling back they would say they never set one up. So I’m pretty sure you’re correct.

      • @irreticent
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        12 months ago

        So I’m pretty sure you’re correct.

        I know they are correct:

        “By the end of 2014, America will have been charged about $400 billion by the local phone incumbents, Verizon, AT&T and CenturyLink, for a fiber optic future that never showed up.”

        TL;DR: they took billions from the government to build fiber infrastructure then said, “sorry that wasn’t enough. Give us more and we swear we’ll build it this time.” They just pocketed the money.

  • daikiki
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    1172 months ago

    Eminent domain the final mile and be done with it. These companies have no business holding our national infrastructure hostage.

    • @[email protected]
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      382 months ago

      Taxpayers have already paid them billions for broken promises. It’s been long demonstrated the oligopolistic communications industry cannot be trusted to provide what the public needs at fair pricing.

      Its time to nationalize ISPs.

  • @Ultragigagigantic
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    982 months ago

    Revoke their corporate charter, nationalize their infrastructure, sell it to municipal ISPs.

      • @mPony
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        122 months ago

        Nuke them from orbit - it’s the only way to be sure

        • @HoustonHenry
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          52 months ago

          So now that’s giant spiders and cable companies?

          • Jojo
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            52 months ago

            It’s the only way to be sure!

            Game over, man! Game over!

      • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
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        72 months ago

        apparently its less effort/energy to shoot them into deep space.

        but either way is good.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 months ago

          I mean yeah, the sun is in one place, space is basically anywhere else. It’s easier to shoot anywhere than to shoot somewhere.

          • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
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            hah, no, it really, really isn’t like that at all. shooting straight north or south, for example, is really hard. going in the opposite direction of the earth’s orbit is hard too.

            earth is spinning around the sun. going in the direction the earth is trying to escape the sun from is easy.

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              I have a pretty reasonable grasp of delta V. While my comment is flippant, you can launch Eastward from the equator any day and end up in space: deep space if you have sufficient velocity (though usually you’d do that with one or more gravity assists). The sun is the only other place you can go any day, but there’s huge angular velocity to overcome to make a direct shot.

              It really really is the case mathematically that if you just want to go to deep space it’s not as difficult as trying to figure out how to go to a particular place, as anyone who has ever done trajectory planning with STK will tell you. More difficult from a cost and engineering perspective, sure, but mathematically easier to just shoot in a direction at escape velocity for the sun whatever day you want.

      • @[email protected]
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        62 months ago

        They’re a bunch of mindless jerks who’ll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes, that’s for sure

    • @hansl
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      42 months ago

      Nah, just allow communities to build their local infrastructure. Trust me. You don’t need to threaten the status quo, just allow the market to compete.

      Every town where local fiber is available, Comcast and Spectrum suddenly have cheaper and more reliable service. It’s magical.

      • @WarlordSdocy
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        32 months ago

        I mean yeah that’s what monopolies do. They eliminate competition by either buying it out or lowering their prices/improving service to drive them out of business so they can then raise prices again. Just cause a small company can come in and make things better while they’re able to be around doesn’t mean we shouldn’t go after these monopolies and cut them down so they can’t have this power.

        • @hansl
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          32 months ago

          Municipal broadband is not a small company though. It’s a cooperative owned by residents.

          And in many states it’s actually illegal. Which makes no sense.

          • @WarlordSdocy
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            12 months ago

            Probably companies like Comcast making sure there isn’t anything to disrupt their monopolies. Another reason to break them up so they can’t have that much power.

      • @spikederailed
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        22 months ago

        I lived in Charlotte, NC when Google announced GFiber was coming. Instantly AT&T started running as much fiber as possible and Charter(spectrum) was trying to get people locked into cheaper 3 year contracts. Ultimately AT&T got fiber first so we went with them, and it was vastly better. Charter was getting 60% packet loss every night from oversold infrastructure they didn’t care to fix, as before the announcement the only competition was AT&T uverse in some parts of the city.

  • @phoneymouse
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    972 months ago

    Jessica Rosenworcel is a champ. She has been fighting this fight for years. The week Ajit Pai (Ashit Pie) ended net neutrality using falsified public comments, a group gathered in front of the FCC to protest the change. I went down there for a few hours and Jessica came to the window and waved to us.

    • @skygirl
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      Haha oh man it’s weird to see this mentioned so many years later.

      I helped organize that protest. Thanks for coming down with us!

  • @blazera
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    852 months ago

    thats cool how money lets you just, reject consequences for years

    • @Boozilla
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      342 months ago

      Works even better if you dye your skin orange and poop your pants.

    • ddh
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      02 months ago

      The one thing I learned at Trump University

  • @[email protected]
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    842 months ago

    “heavy-handed regulation will not just hobble network investment and innovation, it will also seriously jeopardize our nation’s collective efforts to build and sustain reliable broadband in rural and unserved communities”

    They said exactly the same thing when the first net neutrality laws were getting put in place, then after the laws went into effect the companies went on to invest record amounts in innovation and infrastructure. Funny how their words are completely meaningless.

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      “Innovation” just means ways to milk people these days .

      • @just_change_it
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        Innovation is part of the executive buzzword bingo board for all announcements.

        It doesn’t actually mean anything to these people. The only thing that has weight is what will enrich the wealth of the ownership class (shareholders.)

      • @[email protected]
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        62 months ago

        You mean like “innovating” faster connections speeds that they’ve been withholding from us for decades, but can suddenly flip a switch and advertise faster speeds when another provider competes with them? Yeah, I wouldn’t know anything about that… ;-)

  • @superfes
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    772 months ago

    Why can’t you just be decent people?

      • @demonsword
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        42 months ago

        This can only be true in a system that actively rewards greed. For most of the Homo Sapiens history money didn’t even exist.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 months ago

        Money doesn’t corrupt, money just allows people to let loose on a lot of the stuff they weren’t able to do. As the saying now goes: “money doesn’t corrupt, money reveals”.

  • @NatakuNox
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    642 months ago

    Can’t wait until my liberal city finishes our city owned isp. You can’t trust business to be in control of essential services

    • @[email protected]
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      442 months ago

      There was an academic paper put out a long time ago that basically argued for essential services like food, water, etc to be given non-profit status so corpo’s couldn’t do this sort of thing.

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      Mentioning “liberal” here is a bit stupid. I’ve seen many conservative areas have unmetered gig fiber.

      Hell… where I live now is very conservative and I have 8gb uncapped.

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          No. I didn’t. Several of what I’m referencing is city owned. Oops don’t you look stupid now.

          Edit: Also you’re linking your politics to companies trustworthiness, as if either side is doing anything worth a damn against shitty companies. Speed is going to be a direct comparison of markets that would outline if those companies are shitty or not… No? In either case you’re being stupidly obtuse in linking these 2 topics.

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            It’s far more common for Democrat run municipalities to create municipal cable and for Republicans to outlaw (or propose outlawing) municipal cable state wide.

            It’s not even politicizing it’s a literal Republican talking point that the government should stay out of things and let free market competition sort these things out.

            The problem with that of course is that they’d rather take money from some regional monopolies than actually create a free market system with reasonable restrictions on it.

      • @NatakuNox
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        I said my liberal city. Wasn’t contrasting it to anything.

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          Yes, that’s what triggered them. The word “liberal.”

  • RedFox
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    592 months ago

    Every piece of shit greedy corporation can’t hide from their lies when they say things are too expensive to implement correctly or pay people appropriately when they are simultaneously posting profits measured in billions…

    • @[email protected]
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      Those last couple paragraphs with the quotes from ISPs…make no fucking sense. They’re saying it will “restrict access for rural customers.” How? They say it’ll slow internet down across the nation. How? How can ARST.com just run those quotes and not even explain how they’re bullshit or even just call into question their reasoning? Shoddy journalism if you ask me.

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    A threat like that should disqualify them from even trying to do it.

  • @friend_of_satan
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    292 months ago

    You hear that, law school students? Job security! Because lawyers are the ones who really win in situations like this.

  • @Burn_The_Right
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    282 months ago

    Fuck Ajit Pai. And fuck conservatives. They did this.

  • @ATDA
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    242 months ago

    ‘We know we’re the bad guys so we’re going to announce our intentions like a comic book villain…’

    • @minkymunkey_7_7
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      “And we also know that there’s nothing you can ever do about it.”