• The Picard Maneuver
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    1542 months ago

    Everyone’s arguing about whether or not the main character should be black while forgetting the more important point: Ubisoft is trash, and we shouldn’t be buying their uninspired shovelware anyway.

    • Nom Nom
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      212 months ago

      The other commenters don’t seem to understand the difference between boycotting and gatekeeping…

      I’m with you man, I haven’t bought any Ubisoft stuff for over 10 years now. And the more I learned the more I got surprised by how shovelware can be made even worse.

        • Nom Nom
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          22 months ago

          I only played until revelations which was the ending of part 2 I think which honestly felt pretty mid to me, though the over arcing story was good. Black flag was quite popular no? The one with the naval combat. I don’t remember anything beyond that.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 months ago

        So they’re boycotting Ubisoft because they’re trash and make uninspired shovelware? Do you understand the difference between boycotting and gatekeeping?

    • @[email protected]
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      -432 months ago

      I don’t understand the gatekeeping here, do you get mad that people enjoy the fast and furious movies? It’s not like these are funneling resources away from the tons of great indie games that are literally constantly coming out these days.

      • MagnyusG
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        272 months ago

        Movies don’t demand an unreasonable amount of money and time out of you the viewer, you buy your ticket and watch the film, maybe you buy the DVD, done end of story.

        Ubisoft games demand a minimum of 70 dollars out of you and upwards of 60 hours all while blocking your progress with arbitrary experience checkpoints and pestering you about spending even more money for weapons, gear, mounts, etc. as if it were a free to play MMO like Fortnite, except you already dumped 70 dollars to play the damn thing.

        Not sure where indie games have anything to do with Ubisoft.

        • @Rose
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          32 months ago

          I’m a huge fan but I still buy all games at the deepest discounts. There are also free trial periods, friend pass opportunities and giveaways of the games further down the line. Sure, most people fall for the tricks and buy the games right away and even pay for some microtransactions, but they don’t have to, so there’s no ostracizing the poor here.

        • @[email protected]
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          -52 months ago

          They actually don’t demand anything from you, just don’t buy it if it’s not for you. That was my entire point and I’m not sure how you missed it, don’t tell people not to buy Ubisoft games if that’s what they enjoy? You all can play whatever niche and indie games you enjoy and others can play the new AC, live and let live.

          • Flying Squid
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            162 months ago

            “Just don’t buy it if you don’t like it” can apply to absolutely anything a consumer criticizes. It’s also extremely unhelpful.

            Also, that’s a really strange argument from someone who also said:

            it sucks to see the state of the industry as a whole right now and really hope we can get back to being respected as consumers some day.

            https://lemmy.world/comment/7920287

            • @[email protected]
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              12 months ago

              Again, I’m not saying people can’t criticize Ubisoft or AC as a franchise. I take umbrage with people saying they shouldn’t spend money on things they enjoy. I see you all over Lemmy and feel like you’re pretty levelheaded, am I taking crazy pills here? That was all I said in response to a comment about how “we” shouldn’t buy Ubisoft trash. Look at all the weird straw men that people have replied with. I thought this place was supposed to be better than reddit.

      • @corus_kt
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        62 months ago

        I’m not for gatekeeping but I can understand the pushback in this case. People had the same argument for Bethesda horse armor in the past and it’s gradually been abused to stuff like day 1 dlc and Diablo IP becoming a predatory mtx handphone game. At some point if you don’t voice concerns over Ubisoft delisting games (the crew) or $100+ pricing bundles, you shouldn’t be surprised if Ubi opts to mess with previously beloved IPs for a quick buck.

        It’s great that you love indies and all but shaming other people for being frustrated at Ubi’s business practices is no better than gatekeeping people for liking their new games.

        • @[email protected]
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          42 months ago

          You’re extrapolating a whole lot here, all I was responding to was OP saying “we” shouldn’t buy Ubisoft games because they’re trash and all they make is uninspired shovelware. Just a weird stance in my opinion to concern yourself with what shovelware other people are buying and enjoying in their free time. Guess that’s an unpopular opinion here haha

        • gila
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          I think you’re somewhat demonstrating their point, given that I’ve fairly consistently liked D3 and D4 and don’t have any experience with Immortal. I’ve seen lots of critique about 4 that doesn’t necessarily ring true (I can’t imagine playing well at all on mobile, especially given my choice of skill rotation) and that makes sense mostly when it’s grouped with Immortal in a way I find somewhat arbitrary. Immortal itself isn’t especially predatory within the context of mobile games, though being one is a factor in why I haven’t tried it.

          I think it’s easy to dunk and point out things like “you can’t earn enough currency to get the next battle pass for free” without honestly examining what the battle pass in D4 is and realising that it offers extremely little. The free armour is cool and interesting enough that I get the dopamine reward when looking at my toon on the loading screen without paying for it. Indeed I think paying for a set to some extent cheapens that experience vs. getting that reward multiple times via picking up gear and not using transmog at all.

          Might be some other parts of its monetisation I’m not considering in my assessment but I don’t think it’s predatory. So when I constantly hear all about how predatory it is, often it instead serves to drive me toward the brand loyalist lapdog tribe. I wouldn’t say it’s shameful at all, but it’s tiring to engage with as though there’s a more nuanced perspective behind it than just general naysaying, when often that just doesn’t seem to be the case.

          • @UnderpantsWeevil
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            Immortal itself isn’t especially predatory within the context of mobile games

            Damning with faint praise

            Might as well say Alcatraz isn’t particularly difficult to escape from within the context of island prisons.

            • gila
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              32 months ago

              What about Gitmo or Nauru? I kid. I didn’t mean to praise it, my bad. I avoided it personally.

          • @corus_kt
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            32 months ago

            This is gonna be super offtopic: Diablo 4 was fine, I didn’t bring it up and only specified Immortal for a reason. If only the latest iteration of an IP counts, then I should have said OW2, but I mentioned Immortal because it was so terrible. It IS especially predatory even for a handphone game, worse than the final fantasy ones, Maple, PoGo etc. An actual fun app with it’s progression covered in so much monetization that f2p players can literally never catchup to payers, with gambling systems that can cost up to several thousands. Don’t take us ‘naysayers’ at our word, go ahead and invest your time into it if you’d like. People complain about OW2 mtx but it doesn’t even come close to how bad Immortal gets.

            Still, I get your point as to why it’s better to have some nuance on this kinda thing and not hop on corpo hate trains.

            • gila
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              12 months ago

              Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the nuance where it’s offered. I think the difference in my summary perspective of these issues is in considering its intended targets. I’m aware f2p players in Immortal don’t have a hope of catching up - I do think that’s a predatory part of the summary monetisation of the game - but I think it’s mitigated by being targeted at whales. Because paying in that game doesn’t only gatekeep player power; power scales linearly with the amount you pay. So even people tricked into paying for some power aren’t really able to realise that advantage. IMO this changes the paradigm a bit, because the material effect of the monetisation to the informed consumer (regardless of their level of participation) is to part rich people from some of their riches - something I don’t really find compelling as a summary argument against it. The main other group predated on would be those that choose to be uninformed, which is something that I can’t really think of a good a reason to take some kind of moral stance on

      • @UnderpantsWeevil
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        you get mad that people enjoy the fast and furious movies

        No, because they are action comedies that consistently deliver.

        Also, I’d be hard pressed to name a more ethnically diverse movie cast. The epitome of a “something for everyone” movie.

  • @[email protected]
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    662 months ago

    I beat an ancient Egyptian god to death with a Q-tip. Any claim Assassin’s Creed might have had to approximating historical accuracy died several games ago even if we ignore the Ancient Aliens bullshit that’s been around since the begining.

    • 🇰 🔵 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️
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      Wasn’t the original premise that you were a dude in the present using a time machine to explore “genetic memory” in a real time simulation in order to find the ark of the covenant or spear of destiny or someshit for the Illuminati?

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        Correct, they were looking for the “apple of eden” (golden orb from the first few games). It gets revealed by the end of the Renaissance arc that objects they are looking for are technological remnants of an ancient civilization that created humans as a slave race by stripping out parts of their own genetic code. It’s a bastardized version Sichin’s Ancient Aliens “theory”.

      • @SpaceNoodle
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        132 months ago

        Yeah, I think they crammed “becuz aliens” in there a few games later to explain away all the magic.

        • VindictiveJudge
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          22 months ago

          They did that in the first game, actually. The apple and other artifacts were always tech left behind by an extinct “first civilization,” later named the Isu. Part of the series’ problem is that the actually interesting ideological conflict between the Assassins and the Templars was put on hold to explore increasingly elaborate Isu junk after Desmond was killed off.

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        Yes, this was carried until Syndicate, which is the sixth game in the mainline series I believe. That was then changed in Origins.

    • @Chocrates
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      72 months ago

      I was guessing this was about Ghost of Tsushima since it just released on PC. Is his an assassin creed thing?

      • @[email protected]
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        112 months ago

        Yeah it’s for the new AC Shadows trailer, one of the main characters is a black samurai.

        • @Chocrates
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          72 months ago

          Ah ok thanks. Good on Ubisoft I guess? Black people are part of the world and deserve to be represented. I’m sad that this is a fucking point of contention.

  • @lemonmelon
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    482 months ago

    Technically, they’re only “Samurai” if they’re produced in Nippon within the duration of the Kamakura Period through the Meiji Restoration. Otherwise they’re just sparkling warrior-nobles.

    • @[email protected]
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      72 months ago

      You are thinking of 51% min of corn. And produced in Kentucky. Fuck, thats whiskey. I mean Whisky!

      Bourbon, I was talking about bourbon.

      • @Soggy
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        32 months ago

        Bourbon doesn’t even have to be made in Kentucky, they just can’t call it “Kentucky Straight Bourbon” otherwise.

  • kaputter Aimbot
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    402 months ago

    Where was that “historically accurate” crowd when Keanu starred in 47 Ronin?!

    • @UnderpantsWeevil
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      212 months ago

      Or Jake Gyllenhaal in Prince of Persia. Or Finn Jones as Iron Fist.

      Or Ben Affleck as Antonio J. Mendez in Argo, ffs. A role practically made for your Pedro Pascal type actor.

      Hell, Tom Cruise pretending to be Irish in Far and Away was awful enough just because of the bad accent.

      • @PotatoKat
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        72 months ago

        Iron fist is a white dude in the source material unlike the other examples.

    • @Crack0n7uesday
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      Keanu is half Japanese. Tom Cruise as the Last Samurai though…

      • @wildcardology
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        82 months ago

        Uhm Tom’s character was never the last samurai. Did you watch it?

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          I’ve seen it, I’m just making a point that Keanu is actually half Japanese so he should be able to play a character of somewhat Asian descent without complaint, especially when the character he played in 47 Ronin was only half Japanese and all the characters shit on his character because of that. It wasn’t a ground breaking movie and there are plenty of reasons to shit on it, but the race card isn’t one of them.

          • @wildcardology
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            But tom played an American soldier stationed in Japan.

            • @Crack0n7uesday
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              He was already retired from the military in the movie, he went over as a mercenary to train the Japanese how to use guns more effectively.

      • @Uruanna
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        22 months ago

        There’s a playable Japanese woman in parallel to the Black man but I guess women don’t count because gAmErS.

          • @Uruanna
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            42 months ago

            So far it looks like they both take part in the story, with their own sections to play through. The character introduction video seems to say you might have sections where you chose between offensive or stealth approach so you’ll switch characters, but they want you to experience both so there will most likely be sections that force the use of one or the other.

            People who still complain are just saying they refuse to play a Black man at all, so that’s still a trash take.

            • @[email protected]
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              02 months ago

              Why does the black man have to be the offensive fighter? Is Ubisoft implying black people are violent and can’t be sneaky?

              • VindictiveJudge
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                12 months ago

                The black guy is Yasuke, a historical figure who fought as a samurai for Oda Nobunaga. While it’s pretty stereotypical, it’s also accurate to have Yasuke as the combat character if they’re splitting combat and stealth. I mean, it’s also pretty stereotypical to have a woman as the stealth character, which they’ve basically already done twice. Elise in Unity, while non-playable, was decidedly less combat focused and more stealthy and diplomatic while Arno fought. In Syndicate, Elise was the stealth character and Jacob was the combat character.

                In short, it’s probably less that he’s black and more that the formula has the man be the combat character and the woman be the stealth character.

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                  Well then they are sexist. Why does the man have to be the offensive fighter? Is Ubisoft implying men are violent and can’t be sneaky? They also seem to be implying women can’t be strong and defend themselves.

          • Encrypt-Keeper
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            12 months ago

            They’re parallel protagonists. There will be mandatory story missions for both of them, but outside of that you can be either. I’m assuming GTA V style

    • @morphballganon
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      22 months ago

      Chuds want to see women, just scantily-clad and helpless.

      • @JamesFire
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        52 months ago

        I mean, me too, but only if they’re into it.

  • @Cryophilia
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    262 months ago

    Wait there was a Black samurai? That’s fucking awesome! I need to see more media about this

    • @Juice64
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      162 months ago

      Yasuke’s a playable character in Samurai Warriors 5 As a fan of that game I’m confused to why people are suddenly upset that he exists

      • @Passerby6497
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        52 months ago

        My guess is its because some numpty on rumble or twitter went on a rant about it recently.

      • @pelerinli
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        -292 months ago

        Because AC series on downhill for so long and Ubisoft tried to save it not by making a good game but making moves on “inclusive” propaganda.

        • @PoliticalAgitator
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          202 months ago

          I hate to burst your little reactionary bubble but there is zero chance that a key stakeholder said “sales are down, we need to include a black person”. AAA games have been growing worse as developers seek minimum risk for maximum profit and what you’re deeming “inclusive propaganda” simply doesn’t translate into lower risks nor higher profits.

          If you can’t handle a black person in your game, don’t play it. Culture and society are going to leave you behind anyway so you may as well get used to missing out.