• Admiral Patrick
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    1731 month ago

    I’m with you on what the meme is trying to say, but the bottom track needs to be shown looping around to the Republican track and running over everyone.

    Because that’s where the third track leads.

    • @DarkCloud
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      Yep, not voting is unironically pretty much the same as voting for the party you least want in charge.

      Because you’re making it that much more likely.

      Don’t throw away a right that your ancestors fought for, as it may result in future generations no longer having that right.

      • @GraniteM
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        Hitler’s government was a popular government; the vast majority of Germans preferred the rule of gangsters to the effort of thinking and doing for themselves. They abdicated their franchise.

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        The former Berlin businessman I referred to earlier told me that he blamed his own group, people with the time and the money and the opportunity to know better, for what happened to Germany. “We ignored Hitler,” he said. “We considered him an unimportant fellow, not quite a gentleman, not of our own class. We considered it just a little bit vulgar to bother with him, to bother with politics at all.”

        They thought of the government as “They.” The only possible route to a clear conscience in politics is to accept political responsibility, either as an active member of the party in power or as an equally active member of the loyal opposition.

        —Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government

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          Similarly, MLK saw “the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice” as the biggest impediment to civil rights.

          The bottom line is that being secure enough in your position in society to think you don’t have to engage in politics, or that you can afford to vote your principles instead of tactically, is itself a form of privilege. Those sorts of privileged people think themselves neutral or uninvolved or maybe (in the case of professed leftists refusing to vote Dem as a protest) on their own third side, but the reality is that they are the right-wing authoritarians’ greatest ally every single time.

          • @go_go_gadget
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            Lol imagine thinking “moderate white” doesn’t perfectly describe the majority of people walking into the 2020 primaries and voting for Joe Biden.

            • @grue
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              21 month ago

              You’re not wrong about the primary, but you are wrong to conflate the primary with the general election when it’s the latter that we’re talking about here.

              • @go_go_gadget
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                Lol so I’m “radical” in the primaries when I don’t vote for Biden but I’m “moderate” in the general when I don’t vote for Biden?

                That’s not how labels work sir.

          • @[email protected]
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            The POTUS, from the party most opposed to civil rights act, is who signed it into law, very much so a white moderate more devoted to order. So, I’m gonna take a stance and say MLK was wrong about that one if that was his take before he died.

        • @Aqarius
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          That’s not how it went, though. It’s, in fact, the opposite of how it went. Hitler had relatively little popular support, but full support of the industrial elite. It’s blaming the people for the crimes of the elite. “They abdicated their franchise” no, fuckface, half of them voted communist. “We ignored Hitler” no, fuckface, you put him in power because you thought he’d be malleable.

          I’m not surprised Heinlein bought it, though. And I’m not surprised people here are buying it.

        • @[email protected]
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          It’s funny that both democrats and third party voters will look at your comment and think you’re on their side.

      • @[email protected]
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        Well, mathematically it’s only half as bad.

        -1 lesser evil +1 greater evil

        Vs.

        -1 lesser evil +0 greater evil

        • @Passerby6497
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          111 month ago

          Your math is wrong. You wouldn’t be cancelling out the greater evil with the vote for the lesser evil, so its actually twice as bad (or 4x what you were thinking).

          0 lesser evil +1 greater evil

          • @Glowstick
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            Exactly.

            There is unfortunately no option to wind up with a non-evil result, your only options are greater evil result or lesser evil result.

            By voting 3rd party you didn’t reduce the chance of greater evil result, AND you didn’t increase the chance of lesser evil result.

      • @YaDownWitCPP
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        -261 month ago

        Well, I didn’t intend on voting for Trump but, fine, you’ve convinced me.

        • @DarkCloud
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          Hey, as long as you vote. Everyone should vote.

        • @samus12345
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          141 month ago

          Yes, you of course weren’t already going to do that. 🙄

    • @bazus1
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      551 month ago

      Like so?
      Also, let’s have 'im on the track too.

      • @samus12345
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        “Oh, no, I’m not in any of those groups on the track, so I can safely not vote and have a clear conscience as it crushes everyone!”

        Then they came for me…

        • pachrist
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          What a sad misunderstanding of a quote literally describing state enforced genocide. I mean, this is how it starts. Both sides would kill Palestinians. Can’t do anything about it I guess. Oh well, best not put my foot down and take a principled stand here.

          Who’s next?

          • @samus12345
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            81 month ago

            You think that Republicans wouldn’t support genocide against anyone they consider to be their enemy?

            • pachrist
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              I think that accepting that some groups, like Palestinians, will just be oppressed no matter what is what leads to things like the Holocaust. Saying you can’t afford to take a stand on your principles today and draw a line in the sand, but maybe you will tomorrow leads to the situation Martin Niemoller found himself in. It may be too late already, and making a stand won’t make a difference, but it’s never too early.

              • @Passerby6497
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                And what happens when a significant chunk of the electorate does that? I bet all those poor Palestinians will really feel good about Israel being given the green light to bomb them harder because a bunch of people protested and got a dementia riddled fascist elected.

                These posts are just virtue signalling, because there’s never any forethought of what happens after the election to the people being discussed. You can speak from a place of privilege and moralize about the choice you’re making, but you’re pushing the same tactics that the republicans and alt-right push: don’t vote democrat.

                I don’t like that I have to vote for Biden, but I actually want to minimize the harm being done to people, not just talk about it on the internet. Crazy concept.

                • @[email protected]
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                  81 month ago

                  These don’t-vote-for-Biden weirdos don’t understand that it’s wrong to use the idea of a minority to push your political interests in a way that hurts that minority.

                • pachrist
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                  If a significant portion of the electorate did that, Biden would be on the phone this minute applying all possible pressure to stop what is happening. Instead they are playing chicken with your vote. Children died today and every day for the past 8 months because a political party is betting that you’ll vote for them anyways.

                  Again, the original issue I raised is that it’s cruel to quote a man lamenting the fact that he and others like him didn’t do enough soon enough to stop the Holocaust. That same behavior is happening right now. But it’s fine. We just have to accept it. A few losses for the greater good. I’d bet you don’t have any Palestinian friends, but if you do, please let them know I’m the one who’s privileged and see what they say.

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      As someone who for the first time did not vote in 2016. I started voting in the Bush era. I fully agree, no action leads to fascism apparently. Don’t do what I did because I was pissed that Bernie was cheated out of the nomination. Vote or Trump will be back in office.

    • @[email protected]
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      Doesn’t matter where the track leads if the trolley can’t get to it. It could lead to rainbows and sunshine, but that isn’t where the trolley is headed because there is no possibility that someone other than Trump or Biden is elected president. A few cry babies voting third party won’t get some third person elected. A vote for the third track is a vote for a track that will not be ridden.

      • @barsquid
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        It could be a little model trolley track going in a loop with no trolley on it.

      • Admiral Patrick
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        81 month ago

        Oh, maybe. I assumed it was two different people, but yeah, that makes sense.

    • @shatteredsword
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      It makes sense because you can see that the track exists and is better, but there’s no way to actually get the train onto it

    • @UnderpantsWeevil
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      the bottom track needs to be shown looping around to the Republican track

      Okay, but the guy at the controls needs to be the swing vote on the SCOTUS.

  • Ignotum
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    I’m guessing the joke is that third party voters ignore the trolley about to go down one of two paths, instead deciding to stand next to a short piece of track connected to nothing with no trolley on it, so they can pretend the imminent disaster happening on the other track isn’t real

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      And there’s also a contingent of people on the trolley who are trying to get it to slow down, working their asses off to improve long term actual outcomes in the real world, whether related or not to the little lever, and the guy standing next to the empty disconnected track is claiming to be one of them and saying you must be against them and how dare you, you person-running-over-enabling monster, if you say anything against his strategy.

  • @[email protected]
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    This is why I, as an autistic person, think internally using a sort of infinite mechanical analog diagram sheet thing.

    Physical analogies are beautiful for how quickly they can convey a concept. Those disconnected tracks are a great representation of the third party voting situation we face, the “throwaway vote” problem.