Summary

The UK has introduced the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, aiming to make it illegal for future generations to buy cigarettes. The bill proposes gradually raising the minimum smoking age, so those born after January 1, 2009, will never be able to purchase tobacco legally.

It also includes restrictions on vape flavors and packaging to prevent youth addiction and bans smoking in certain outdoor spaces, though pub beer gardens are exempt.

Supported by the Labour Party’s majority, the legislation seeks to create a “smoke-free U.K.” and combat smoking-related deaths.

  • Andy
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    163 hours ago

    Do you know what I’d like to see?

    Instead of banning them, ban the extraction of profit on producing and selling them. Turn them into an entirely recreational market. I’d love to see the outcome of trying that.

    • @[email protected]
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      12 hours ago

      Wouldn’t that just push sales into the black market? Unless the government nationalized the sale of cigarettes, which seems… not great, if they believe in smoking cessation

      • @[email protected]
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        11 hour ago

        Think of it like clubs for tobacco enthusiasts. Ideally you would have a club with one super knowledgeable person, split the costs of growing and his time and split the the results on potentially various types of products.

        • @[email protected]
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          11 minute ago

          So kind of like how farm cooperatives work (I think?)?

          There’s a guy at the farmers market that offers “shares” of cows. I can’t remember the details but you pay for a certain “guaranteed” pounds of beef plus sausage made from other parts (not guaranteed to be one cow), a long with some other meats (chicken, etc). When the cow is slaughtered, you get your meat.

  • CaptainBasculin
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    255 hours ago

    Pushing an entire business into black market over time… Who in their right mind approved this?

    • @[email protected]
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      People who don’t like cancer and want to take the insane pressure these death sticks put on the health service.

      Who in their right mind supports mega corps selling addictive cancer causing products to young people?

      • @[email protected]
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        72 hours ago

        The point is prohibition doesn’t work. I would prefer no young person ever try cigarettes, or nicotine in any form. But I don’t think that’s realistic.

        • @[email protected]
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          It works really well for kids. They aren’t even trying to ban it for adults.

          Raising the age from 16 to 18 had a massive effect when I was young.

          This will most likely dramatically decrease smoking in young people and that’s great.

          It’s not 100% or nothing.

          • @[email protected]
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            11 hour ago

            I’d love to be wrong about this. But I started smoking at 20, and while I’ve kicked cigarettes for good I couldn’t make quitting nicotine stick.

    • @[email protected]
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      145 hours ago

      Exactly. Smoking was dying off due to vaping until all these countries got a stick up their ass over it and decided to either outright ban vapes or put ridiculous regulations on them. This is why everyone uses disposables in the US now and toss their lithium batteries in the trash every couple days.

      • MrScottyTay
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        65 hours ago

        vaping was much worse because people blatantly use them indoors and wherever else they shouldn’t. And due to them not needing to light up they just constantly puff on them between every three breaths. It’s fucking awful being in a queue or walking behind someone vaping.

        • @[email protected]
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          114 minutes ago

          Supported by the Labour Party’s majority, the legislation seeks to create a “smoke-free U.K.” and combat smoking-related deaths.

          vaping was much worse

          Why?

          because people blatantly use them indoors and wherever else they shouldn’t

          I don’t know if that really makes them worse than premature death.

      • @[email protected]
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        -13 hours ago

        Vaping is currently almost completely unregulated and some studies have found terrifying chemicals in them

    • @[email protected]
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      145 hours ago

      Won’t somebody think of the poor struggling businesses.

      Where would society be without those good old death stick sellers who hid decades of research into health risks and marketed to children. Cornerstone of society and they’re trying to ban it? Savages.

        • @[email protected]
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          33 hours ago

          It’ll work for the majority of people. You won’t be able to do it out in public.

          If you want to get cancer in your own house go ahead.

          The truth is they put a huge burden on public services. Mainly the health service but also they create insane amounts of litter.

          If vaping is still an option then most people will just do that.

          • @[email protected]
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            23 hours ago

            If you want to get cancer in your own house go ahead.

            I agree with the sentiment of both you and the person I originally applied to. Smoking is a blight and I wish it would go away. I simply don’t think prohibition is the way to do it.

            Mainly the health service but also they create insane amounts of litter

            Vaping also creates an insane amount of litter. I wish vaping would go away just as much as I do cigarettes.

            • @[email protected]
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              Yeah vaping will have its time. I bet they’re already sitting on evidence that it fucks you up.

              Prohibition does work very well for kids though. Most people start young as when you’re older you know the issues.

              So they are keeping it for people already exposed and trying to stop younger people starting in the first place.

              They raised the age to 18 when I turned 16 and it dramatically cut the amount we had access to.

              It’s not like the old alcohol probation. Plus smoking isn’t even fun like drinking. It’s just gross and bad for your health. And most people don’t drink because of addiction. It’s a different kettle of fish.

              But they should be doing the same for vaping.

    • warm
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      13 hours ago

      Because it’s a gradual ban, rather than a blanket ban for everyone immediately, they are hoping the demand won’t be there by the time the last generation of legal smokers die off (sooner than you think given cigarettes are designed to kill).

    • @stoly
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      35 hours ago

      They are an island nation with very strict controls. The black market will be small. The real worry would be no different than age restrictions already in effect: find someone old enough to buy it for you.

    • @[email protected]
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      -15 hours ago

      People who don’t understand how things work.

      Or people who benefit from there being more criminals…

  • @[email protected]
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    55 hours ago

    Sounds good to me, tbh. Increasing health for everyone involved, reducing costs on medical services. I think New Zealand had something similiar? Instead of an outright ban affecting everyone this is slowly phased out, so young kids probably won’t even miss it.

  • Flying SquidM
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    14 hours ago

    I think cigarettes should be put behind a prescription wall. If you are addicted, a doctor can help you quit. In the mean time, they can make sure you keep having the nicotine delivery system you’re used to.

    • Todd Bonzalez
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      144 hours ago

      And then what about everything outside of that ridiculous context? Arrest people for possession of a plant? That’s always been a good idea.

      Tobacco is important to people. If you ban it, there will be a black market. Especially for something like a plant that can simply be grown.

      • Flying SquidM
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        What are you even talking about? I didn’t say anything about banning it.

        • Todd Bonzalez
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          93 hours ago

          You’re talking about making it a prescription drug only allowed for cessation purposes. That sure sounds like a ban on recreational use to me. What happens when someone without a prescription is caught with tobacco under this system you’re proposing? What makes this preferable to just letting people smoke?

  • @venusaur
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    -45 hours ago

    Sounds excellent for the vape market. Just make it so only natural tobacco is legal and at the same age in which you can be drafted in the UK.