• @Gradually_Adjusting
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    This election is likely going to be looked back on as the point when things became completely untenable in the 21st century. The American empire will implode, billions will suffer, the climate emergency will accelerate to maximum, and geopolitical dynamics will become incredibly unstable. Shit is about to go fully awry. This was it, and the people who are already bored about it have played no small part in getting us here.

    • LustyArgonian
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      After 10 years, there will be no megafauna looking back at anything. We extincted ourselves and the planet. By far the stupidest species is us, and the IQ test was whether we could just not kill ourselves with our own waste. There’s a species of insect in Africa that’s lived on 1 rock for thousands of years and they are smarter than us in this regard.

      We passed 7 of 9 planetary boundaries. We don’t talk about this or even the possible election interference that occurred because our media and journalism is broken. I can see personal videos on people’s personal accounts of the flooding in Spain, yet media in the US is failing to report extensively on this especially as a climate disaster. People literally believe that the government controls the weather before they believe that climate change is real (and please make sure to attribute all the increasingly bad disasters under Trump to him specifically).

      I have had conversations about why basic rights are necessary. Conversations where I’m citing the fucking constitution and posting videos of speeches from the fucking 60s. I have to explain why ableism is bad.

      Fascism is, frankly, part of the human collective psyche. It’s akin to an autoimmune response, so much so that there’s biochemical markers* in common with both states. The only way to calm down fascism is either let it eat itself (aka lots of death), or to be a collective anti-inflammatory. This means looking at things like Buddhist ideals of detachment and peace, Muslim ideals of charity (they invented the first hospitals which were free), Christian ideals of gathering together. Soothe and redirect (like a toddler) people who engage in inflammatory and violent speech. Win people over (being othering and exclusive is inflammatory - saying you can’t stand Trump voters is inflammatory and part of why those Trump people like Trump and Christianity - they include the deplorables).

      And btw if political structures are akin to lymphatic system, journalism and communications are our nervous system. Just like in the body, one can attack and modify the other - our autoimmune response has severely damaged our nervous system and we kinda have the societal equivalent of relearning from a stroke in some ways.

      *So much so that often a key dogwhistle for fascist speech is othering someone by calling them a tumor, parasite, cancer. Biochemicals responsible - low oxytocin (which is why they are pedophiles), histamine, mast cells, cortisol draining. See the undereye wasting of people in high stress including that little boy who was lost in the woods and in meth addicts

      • @Gradually_Adjusting
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        5314 days ago

        You think I’m being melodramatic? Historians make careers on turning points like this. We can never know exactly what will happen next, but we can at least be sure that normality is not on the menu.

        • @lolrightythen
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          My guess is that when asked if we could stop talking about it for a bit, you decide to multi-post your theses.

          No one is arguing against you, just read the room before you spam it.

          • @Gradually_Adjusting
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            1914 days ago

            That ain’t me, I barely post… Though I do sometimes say too much.

            A lot more ink is going to be spilled on this as it unfolds, and that too is what the people voted for - drama.

      • @surewhynotlem
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        Yeah, it’s dramatic nonsense to assume Trump will do what he and his party said he’ll do.

        Do I need this? /s

        • @TrickDacy
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          It may not surprise you that the person you responded to was a hard defender of banned troll universalmonk.

          • @surewhynotlem
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            514 days ago

            I’m happy to not know who that is :-) it means my filters are working.

            • @TrickDacy
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              Nice. They were a troll who started an account 2 months before the election and began immediately flooding lemmy with an average of 82 posts/comments each day. Just about everything they posted was encouraging people to vote third party.

              After piles of complaints, the account was finally banned two weeks ago. Besides shilling for Stein, they also were a prolific sealion, knowing exactly how to piss everyone off to the greatest extent while “not breaking rules” (they absolutely broke the rule against trolling, constantly). Mods pretended this was simply a matter of a “shitty opinion” but when the outcry reached its climax, they finally banned the fuck.

              • @surewhynotlem
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                Ahhh. I hope they were at least paid for that kind of effort. Otherwise, that’s a sad existence.

      • Ben Hur Horse Race
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        nice apathy + username combination

        don’t worry- things have been stable since mcdonalds! nothing can change, just ask Turkey

  • @PunnyName
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    “Can we just get over the fact that your foot is blown off? It’s bumming me out.”

    No

    • @TrickDacy
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      When has apathy ever backfired though??

      • @Shadywack
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        When 15 million voters who could have swayed the election said “fuck it”. 15 million voters who voted democrat in 2020, that is.

        • @TrickDacy
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          That’s what I was getting at ;)

  • @grue
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    No. No, we can’t “move on” from the election, because elections have consequences. We will never be able to “move on” because we will be continuously fucked by those consequences, in the ass with no lube, for the rest of our lives.

    Even if Trump and the GOP give up power and the US holds free and fair elections in four years, an absolute fuck-ton of permanent damage will have been done in the meantime.

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      There are so many things at stake, but people really don’t know how bad Trump’s supreme court has fucked the environment already. Getting the average voter to care about it won’t happen until it’s far too late. I try to just not think about it.

    • @Shadywack
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      Like, what exactly? States are still moving forward with their climate change plans. The states who aren’t, have a very small impact and are largely canceled out by those who do. Deportations will likely go up, support for Ukraine will likely evaporate, but the impact to citizens inside of the US are largely unchanged. The economy isn’t going to change course, and we’ve been getting fucked in the ass with no lube by all of our administrations going back to Reagan. The ceiling isn’t falling, it’s been fallen for quite some time.

  • @foggy
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    Those who choose to abstain from politics submit to being ruled by their inferiors.

    • Possibly linuxOP
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      Or maybe I just don’t see the point of all this. The election is over and there is nothing that can be done if you fear Trump. Most Americans supported him so clearly thats what the majority wants for better or for worse.

  • Lucy :3
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    Considering it affects a lot of people, negatively, it is rightfully a topic.

      • Lucy :3
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        Which means it’s time to prepare. Get out of the states, change name/gender, try to minimize (ecological) contact with the USA etc.

  • @TrickDacy
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    Sounds pretty fucking privileged that you even have the option of moving on from the topic

    • @[email protected]
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      I haven’t seen anything productive in any of the conversations about it I’ve looked at. Just fingerpointing at who’s to blame. It’s pointless to argue now.

      • @TrickDacy
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        You might be right, but sometimes we sort through things by saying the wrong things first.

        • @TrickDacy
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          I guess we know (if they live in the US) what they didn’t do on tuesday.

      • @[email protected]
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        Kinda hard to ‘move on’ while watching other people across the pond lose their human rights and possibly getting invaded by Russia myself.

        • Possibly linuxOP
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          We will have to see what happens. Hopeful Trump will mean with Putin right away.

          If not he is prepared to sign off on more aid.

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        Well you can be cold and dissociated from reality, but the rest of us get to feel our feelings too. Why don’t you just move on that we aren’t moving on? Why don’t you just, idk, shut up, since you are all for shutting up? Lead by example.

        • Possibly linuxOP
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          -714 days ago

          I’ll just move on to better communities. End of the world memes are getting old.

          • LustyArgonian
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            614 days ago

            Just curious, what if it turns out that you’re wrong? What will you end up doing?

            • Possibly linuxOP
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              I’m not but we can cross that bridge when we get there.

              Maybe I’ll bookmark this comment so see where we are in 4 years

  • QuentinCallaghan
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    3814 days ago

    This is a big topic after all so there is no way one can just “move on”.

  • Daemon Silverstein
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    As a Brazilian nervously watching the unfolding of a potentially global mess, I bring you the best Brazil can offer: memes! Here’s a pretty relatable one (Original cartoon from Maurício de Souza, Turma da Mônica)

    • Possibly linuxOP
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      Until 4 years from now

      We have a system of checks and balances for a reason

      • @[email protected]
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        …between the branches of government, which the R’s just swept. Add in the fact that the supreme Court just gave the president criminal immunity if it’s “official” (a term they define), and who exactly is going to check and balance?

      • LustyArgonian
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        Yeah and the ONLY check and balance that stopped Trump from taking over on Jan 6th was MIKE PENCE and he is no longer an obstacle

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          He didn’t try to take over on Jan 6. He made some dumb remarks that a group took as attack the capital.

          • @Agrivar
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            Thank you for finally outing yourself. Treasonous moron.

          • LustyArgonian
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            https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/what-trump-asked-of-pence/

            “I think it’s important that the American people know what happened in the days before January 6,” Pence said. “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”

            For those who might doubt him, Pence urged them to “read the indictment.”

            Pence is featured prominently throughout the 45-page indictment, but there are seven and a half pages that specifically deal with “The Defendant’s [Trump’s] Attempts to Enlist the Vice President to Fraudulently Alter the Election Results at the January 6 Certification Proceeding.”

            Dec. 23, 2020: Trump retweeted (and later deleted) a memo titled “Operation ‘PENCE’ CARD,” which, the indictment states, “falsely asserted that the Vice President could, among other things, unilaterally disqualify legitimate electors from six targeted states.”

            “Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.”

            Dec. 25, 2020: When Pence called Trump to wish him a Merry Christmas, Trump requested that Pence reject electoral votes on Jan. 6. Pence responded, as he had in previous conversations, “You know I don’t think I have the authority to change the outcome.”

            There’s more, see the link. Go ahead, learn something. It won’t hurt ya

    • @SquatDingloid
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      There’s no moving on from this, it’s the last peaceful election we are gonna get.

      The idiots trying to downplay this are going to be very suprised in 3-4 years when they get drafted so the Republicans can declare martial law and stay in power for life

  • @DharkStare
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    If the past is any indicator of the future then we can expect the next four years to be non-stop Trump posting.

    • @TheKingBee
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      If trump would stop being a weird fascist people would stop talking about him, just saying…

      • @Hackworth
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        Sensible Erection (reddit precursor) had to spin off a-whole-nother site, Sensible Election for the '04 (I think?) election and aftermath.

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          I think we need mods to step up and enforce no politics rules

          If they mods are promoting politics it is time to move on.

          • @Dozzi92
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            Every board is a politics board … Forever…

  • @[email protected]
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    That’s accurate to how I feel inside. GOP got it all. So nothing can really stop their agenda. Which sucks if you’re not white male.

      • @[email protected]
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        I thought the image would reflect the GOP right now. Instead here I am with egg on my face.

        Unfortunately, one thing with GOP is they may disagree but tend to fall in line.

    • Possibly linuxOP
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      Except that is not really true…

      Trump may not be in line with your political beliefs but somehow I doubt all of the crazy stuff I’ve heard said. He isn’t creating death camps or deporting democrats to Mexico.

      • @chuckleslord
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        Project 2025 is now in play. Abortion ban, porn ban, removal of federal employees who aren’t “loyal” enough. The only saving grace is that Republicans can’t govern for shit, so there’s going to be a lot of wasted time on infighting. Not enough, though, since a lot of it can be pushed through by the president alone.

        Oh! And the oldest, most conservative SCOTUS justices will retire, solidifying the conservative super-majority on the court for the next 20-40 years. The only way to change that is to change the makeup of the court, which requires a trifecta. So yes, it isn’t the end of the world, but it isn’t “no big deal” either.

        In order to undo the damage, we have to fundamentally change the Democrat Party to be just as far left as the Republicans have moved right. And that took them over a decade to accomplish (and they have the easier task, since big business wants both parties to move right).

        • @[email protected]
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          Can’t even watch porn without a VPN! How did they not lose the male vote with that alone!

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          In think the democrats moving far left is what caused them to lose at least in part. The swing voters are what matters. The Trump and Republican really pushed a down to Earth approach which resonated will a lot of people on the fence. Your hard core left and right are going to vote predictably.

          The good news is that the Democrat party will have plenty of time to think about it.

  • @[email protected]
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    We can’t move on without a proper segue. How about politics+beans memes? I can’t imagine anyone would be unhappy with that.

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    “He was only stabbed 23 times on the floor of the senate. We need to move on … and then finish wiping up the floor.”

  • Todd Bonzalez
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    Move on? No.

    The next 4 years are going to be awful. Your choices are pretty much to fight like hell to limit the damage to your community, tune it all out to protect yourself from the stress, or find a way out of the country, at least until after the next election (god willing).

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      dont count on another election. scotes threw that out of the ring. if biden could anull the election snd stop the switch, you can bet trump will do it