Will the EU help Ukraine do the same when USA abandons them?
100%. European army is long overdue, with Trump trying to destroy NATO.
EU needs to formally invite Canada to the union in response.
Or rather, Canada should invite some blue leaning states to join their far superior project.
Marginally superior. They’ve got their own problems with right-wing politics, genocidal past and continued mistreatment of native peoples, foreign investors upending local economies, unsustainable extraction of natural resources, and they’re still connected to a heriditary monarchy for fucks sake. But they have better healthcare and safer cops.
A perfect fit for the EU then, is what I’m reading…
Nice. Imagine this mindfuck.
The traditional deal is you only get to threaten folk who haven’t access to nukes. If they have, your threat can be ignored. That’s why North Korea is a thing and Saddam Hussein isn’t.
Will trump be the one to finally destroy usa global influence?
US global influence is already well into decline. This is the USA’s Byzantine period as we shift from a unipolar into an increasingly multipolar world.
It’s what Putin wants, so yeah.
It’s also what the countries bullied by the usa also want
He clearly thinks he’s going to extend it. But he may indeed cause irreparable damage.
I think he already has. The U.S. is still militarily influential of course, but no one…NO ONE…takes their political leaders as anything more than unhinged toddlers anymore.
Well to be fair, some leaders are seen as credible but everything is now predicated on the possibility that the guy elected in 4 years just decides to not honor anything. That used to be one of the hallmarks of the US, presidents honored the deals and such of previous presidents. So you’d know your deal would last or at least be renegotiated in good faith. Not so anymore.
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Before 2022/2014 I wasn’t quite sure why they think they need European armed forces, now it’s obvious why they need it. (Would be good if the EU stays a voluntary confederation and not what the US is.)
Two front hybrid warfare is not good for the EU.
I’ve always believed deeply that the European Union was a model for how we, as a species, have to evolve in order to reach that next step. Not in a Star Trek ideal of “one planet”, but at least in a “cooperation” that allows us to stop fighting each other.
Hell…I’m even a believer IN a North American version of the same thing. Just not in the way that Trump is wanting it and NOT with Trump anywhere near the decision making process. A North American federation on good terms with the EU federation would be great as long as adults were in charge and sovereignty was respected rather an a man-child shouting out bullshit all the time.
We could never have a North American Union. NAFTA was the first step and nationalists in the US and Mexico made it very clear they would commit violence if we dared so much as approach the EU model.
Yes. As much as the EU has done a good job in many ways, I’d much prefer it stay a confederation than a federation.
Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
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I would like to see more opinions from the Greenland locals, but I doubt that they want to exchange Denmark with the USA.
I would like to see more opinions from the Greenland locals, but I doubt that they want to exchange Denmark with the USA.
I do know that they want to go independent and it seems as if a majority wants to be part of the European Union:
According to a poll (auto-translated):
40 years after Greenland left the EU, the mood is perhaps turning.
In a survey conducted by Nasiffik – the Centre for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy on Ilisimatusarfik – 60 percent of respondents say that they will vote ‘aap’ if a referendum was held on Greenlandic membership of the EU.
- It is a surprising result that there is now a relatively large majority in the Greenlandic population who believe that Greenland should join the EU, says Rasmus Leander Nielsen, head of Nasiffik.
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https://knr.gl/da/nyheder/flertal-vil-have-groenland-tilbage-i-eu
So the president of the greenlandic parliament made a focus of his new year’s speech to talk about increased autonomy from historical danish colonialism and continuing the past 8 years of work on a new constitution. These topics are pretty important for his reelection campaign this year. However, apparently AP or Reuters picked up on the story and now there’s 100s of imperialistic articles online talking about “Greenland makes sudden shift towards independence after Trump discussions” and “Nuuk is closer to New York than Copenhagen”.
Now Trump Jr went to Greenland and Trump is threatening to use military force to take Greenland, and all the Greenlandic politicians are freaking out that the Americans are about to take away their sovereignty.
https://www.knr.gl/da/nyheder/mute-b-egede-maner-til-ro-groenland-er-groenlaendernes
https://www.knr.gl/da/nyheder/maaske-et-mediestunt-men-alligevel-alvorligt
Source: Me, a swede who can read GL news articles written in Danish
Thanks from a fellow Swede! Basically the only thing I know about Greenland is that it’s a good place if you want to get really really drunk. And then there is the old colonial issue. Never talked to a Greenlander, but the Icelanders I know seem to still be quite hostile towards Denmark, so I just extrapolate from there. Different ethnicity probably don’t make things easier.
Yeah, I’ve never talked to any greenlanders, either, but It was strange when my American friends were talking about “Greenland announcing their independence” when it hadn’t been reported in DN or Omni at all.
All the English articles about the new years’ speech seemed very imperialistic and all of the recent events cited were covered in a very different tone in Swedish and Danish news. Once you read the actual new year’s speech I think you get a much better understanding of the Greenlandic position separate from all the imperialistic ambitions of Trump and whatever pro-Trump AP/Reuters journalist wrote the article.
Greenlanders are saying in the news now that Americans are misunderstanding the new year’s speech but now apparently Trump’s dynasty is calling it fake news and insisting that Greenlanders want to give them their natural resources. https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-jr-leaves-greenland/
Anyways, it would be an interesting place to visit sometime!
Tack!
“Please! Take away our healthcare!”
The population is so small that the US easily can give each individual a million dollar. And far less will probably be enough. So we can be certain that the locals will say yes if there is a vote.
You skipped a couple of steps between “US easily can give each individual a million dollar.” and “So we can be certain that the locals will say yes if there is a vote.” Like Trump planning to do that and it being implemented.
Also, a million dollars, let alone “far less” than a million dollars, would not be enough for me to be willing to give up socialized medicine for the rest of my life and the life of my kids, grandkids, etc. Not everyone is as motivated by money as you seem to think.
I think a lot of Europeans are concerned that Trump will take a page out of Putin’s book and use coercive tactics to annex Greenland.
The narrative they’re making now is that Greenlanders want to be part of the US and that Denmark is lying about greenland’s wishes. Money for votes is one tactic, and other options are possible too, like influencing the upcoming election, manipulating the news cycles, border skirmishes with DK/EU/NATO, and little green men. All tactics that Putin knows well, and are likely spreading to the US as its domestic oligarchy and ties to Russia grows.
I still think all you would have to do is tell Greenlanders to say goodbye to their healthcare and enough would change their minds.
I don’t think it’s as simple as the sentiment of the general population.
Most Donbass residents didn’t want to be part of Russia, and now those who resisted are lying in mass graves.
Well sure, if the U.S. decides to invade, it’s another matter. But we’ve been talking about peaceful means so far.
Russia kept Ukraine out of the EU without any soldiers, and civilians were being murdered in the Donbass in 2014 without any formal invasion.
The history of Russia’s attempts to influence and annex Ukraine started decades before the current invasion.
Let’s hope you’re right. My point was basically that the US has many tools at their disposal. Especially when rules of yesterday don’t apply.
Oh I don’t disagree that Trump and Republicans couldn’t give less of a shit about the law. I’m just saying we shouldn’t assume this is going to go their way this early in the game because they also fuck up constantly.
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Sweden?
Where I live.
So you want Greenland to be annexed cause fuck the Danes I assume? /s
That would be the rational and just thing of course. But this time I gave them a bit of slack, since they removed Sweden from their royal weapon. Maybe silly…
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I almost hope trunp goes full-on military raid and gets the whole world sicked on him. Like the whole rest of the world becomes the united superpower because they have a common enemy.
Also, EU probably needs it’s own stash of strategic nuclear weapons ASAP.
France has nuclear weapons. And since Greenland and Canada are covered by NATO, they are also covered by the UK’s arsenal.
Other NATO countries also have nukes provided by the US, but I don’t know how usable they would be in this situation.
Ahah just get America to nuke itself as part of its NATO commitment.
The master plan… 🥸
I have to say… On all predictions about how the World War 3 would start, I imagine absolutely nobody guessed “NATO against the USA”.
The Nato weapons are basically US weapons. And the future of Nato is quite uncertain. Also, AFAIK the UK weapons force is fully dependent on the US. France is the only western country (except the US) which has a completely independent nuclear force.
I really don’t understand the tactics of Trump here, since this behavior is guaranteed to push EU towards China. If common liberal values and culture are nil and there is global anarchy, China will be a natural EU ally, if one consider only the geography. China + EU vs Russia. And Russia will probably be an ally of the US. (I’ve played way too many strategy games.)
Maybe he just sees that EU is really weak now, and he’s probing the landscape.
Anyway, it’s interesting to see that the new US administration already performs hybrid war against the EU.
It has it, the French decided to share theirs a while ago.
FWIW official policy is that if US soldiers attack Greenland / Denmark, Washington goes to play Fallout.
France’s nuclear doctrine actually first includes a “nuclear warning shot”, which is fucking insane but makes some semblance of sense as in “we know what MAD is and we can play that game, but you should really reconsider”
To their merit, France starts remarkably few wars while hiding under their nuclear umbrella. And I know they still do fucked up shit, especially on their colonies but at least they are not invading Catalonia or Sardinia.
There are only a handful of countries around the world with that habit of starting international wars.
(Civil wars are a different matter.)
You have been banned from ml - stating that anyone other than the US starts wars is McCarthyist propaganda.
The EU is not a country.
EU is what it wants/needs to be
Well, minus an effective central bank…
There are EU treaties to the contrary. Few EU members agree on what the EU wants/needs to be.
Greenland is not even in the EU.
But Denmark is.
Yes, Denmark is but Greenland is not. Greenland is considered an OCT, Overseas Countries and Territory, associated to the EU.
France probably has a vested interest in ensuring that the EU defends overseas territories of its member states for some reason.
Some of France’s overseas territories are actually part of the EU. It’s different than Greenland.
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Perhaps they want to set the firmest precedent they can get in this regard? Seems like it’d be better for their purposes than some sorta flimsy technicality.
