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Right now, on Stack Overflow, Luigi Magione’s account has been renamed. Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.
This appears to violate the creative commons license under which Stack Overflow content is posted.
When the author asked about this:
As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question. Of course, they did draft a letter which credited the action to other events that occurred weeks before where I merely upvoted contributions from Luigi and bountied a few of his questions.
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As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question.
Laws mean nothing anymore. Therefore licenses mean nothing. Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.
Therefore ownership means nothing, and “theft” no longer exists.
WOAH WOAH WOAH… hold on there Circuitfarmer (checks clipboard) It says here you’re not nearly affluent enough to circumvent the law… we’ll be keeping a close eye on you… --BB
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Jfc y’all sound like magats
There is no law forcing a company to spread your message for you.
There is when Stack is using a creative commons license.
No their isn’t.
Stack Overflow is privately owned by Prosus. You have certain limited rights to the content they host but they do not have the obligation to keep the content up and they even have user terms that every account agrees to: especially for moderation.
If they’d just removed his content outright, I would agree with you. But if they’ve left his content up without attribution, that does violate the CC agreement, of which they are upheld by.
I mean, it’s still a small copyright violation whom the proprietor of is a bit preoccupied to do anything about, so uh…this whole thing is quite dumb.
Idk if usernames count as “attribution”, even, but I assume the results would be the same if an account was named Jeremy Assface, Ted Bundy, or Adolf Hitler even if the user’s actual name was such. Not to compare Luigi to any of those people, no, but the point is usernames are moderated.
“No wars but class wars” as true today as when Trotsky said it many decades ago. Not sure how anyone cannot see this very, very clear fact, made self evident by the treatment of Luigi and the composition of the upcoming administration and its supporters.
But every other commoner that sees it needs to take according measures.
Culture is not our friend.
Apropos of nothing, this was an article about substance from a year ago:
Substack faces user revolt over anti-censorship stance on neo-Nazis
Fuck substack.
Shit, this article is about stack overflow, not substack. Too early, but still fuck substack.
“Censorship forced me to flee a pro-nazi site to another pro-nazi site,” is a contradiction worth noting. It highlights the general pro-nazi vibe going around big tech.
The internet just isn’t fun anymore. Right wing bigots are stomping around and the best communities are all either crumbling or raising their bridges and filling their motes so AI can’t scrape them and these asshats can’t get in, killing the ability for new people to find them. And who can blame them? They want to protect their communities from very real threats.
The internet is Balkanizing and it’s to our collective detriment.
There’s plenty of leftists, too. But the leftists threaten capital, and fascists don’t, so only one is being targeted/censored.
Corporate fascists need the muscle that the stormtroopers can provide in exchange for the loot they pillage.
That’s what we are seeing with the last 10-15 years resurgence of the alt-rights grift.
It’s less a resurgence and more that they’ve transitioned from AM talk radio/cable news to youtube, podcast platforms, and social media.
Fair enough
Not to be too “WELL AKSHOOOALEEE” I just think people - myself included - got used to how relatively quiet things felt in the mid 2010’s and didn’t realize this shift was happening.
I got you. You and I, brother - for a moment there it seemed anything was possible, but I guess the John Birch Society never went away.
Capitalists were always going to embrace fascism in the face of rising leftist movements and increasing inequality. Communist theorists predicted over a hundred years ago, and it’s been playing out exactly as they said it would.
It’s about SO but on SS so you were still right!
Stopped using stack overflow ages ago because of how many assholes there are there.
You don’t want to go to Pornhub then
You’d probably get better coding advice in the comments.
I also stopped posting there years ago for much the same reason. You could feel the strangulation of the community as duplicate questions started getting shouted down, posts got turned into “community wikis” against your will and your own questions started getting edited to better fit someone else’s plans and ideologies. The company was sold shortly after, so maybe animals can sense their pending extinction (some of them anyway)?
I miss those days when writing an answer genuinely felt like helping to grow the global community of friend developers. It’s a shame no technology has been discovered that will let the small amount of collective good in us all work together against the assholes, but alas it seems the opposite is always true.
“How do I get this working in 22.04?”
“Previous question answers this.” Tagged as best answer
“No, the previous question answers it with a method that was removed in 22.04”
silence
What’s even more annoying is when their refinements end up putting an objectively wrong answer as the authoritative record.
I found a question where someone new to electronics was how to get more current from a USB power supply.
The “correct” answer that was posted before the question was closed was that a source can’t limit current and the questioner should learn more about electricity.
The actual correct answer - and probably what the questioner was looking for - is to short the data lines together because a compliant USB charger will only supply 500mA by default, not it’s stated max current.
Increasingly, I find the answer is in the comments, or not at all
What drives me mad is when a question is closed as a duplicate, and when you look at the duplicate it’s either for a different version of the product and thus the answer isn’t relevant, or the question straight up wasn’t answered there either.
The company was sold shortly after, so maybe animals can sense their pending extinction (some of them anyway)?
More likely the changes were made to improve the “saleability” of the website.
I miss those days when writing an answer genuinely felt like helping to grow the global community of friend developers.
One of the promises of the internet was, supposedly, that it couldn’t really be monopolized because the barriers to entry were so low. But what we’ve seen is the influence of the Networking Effect as a means of consolidating user bases, combined with a cartel-style censorship that limits the degree to which word-of-mouth can influence a nascent community’s growth.
And now the AI comes to fully alienate us from each other, leaving even the more token communities with a “am I talking to a real person or a computer facsimile” lingering dread with each passing year.
your own questions started getting edited to better fit someone else’s plans and ideologies
That hits hard for me. Not that someone changed the spirit of my answer but that someone completely reworded it without my permission. It was almost like they were trying to steal my idea without running afoul of copyright or something.
It’s 40% assholes People who delete “Hi,” From the first line of the question Because a modicum of politeness and humanity is inefficient And don’t get me started about the XY problem solvers Stack exchange gamifies rudeness and dismissiveness.
You can just ask an AI anyway since it’s training set will basically just be stackoverflow.
Just tried this and the AI told me my question was a duplicate and my post was removed.
the entirety of stackoverflow is not enough data to make the AI work properly. They need terabytes of text, stackoverflow has about 50-100GB of useful data at most
Plus AI is actually happy to answer your random questions, with an immediate response. Stack overflow will quickly become obsolete as AI gets better
AI is just regurgitating old stack overflow. It’s not going to get better.
AI is going to get worse, while stack overflow will be superceded by better resources in the future.
It would be pretty neat if Sal Kahn created an alternative, but that’s very different from his existing project.
By this logic, everyone charged (not convicted, just charged) should have their accounts and submissions changed in the same manner as Luigi’s.
Man I sure wish this’d mean all Trump-generated content and speeches got deleted. That’d be genuinely helpful to the world at least…
Didn’t he confess though? That’s quite a bit different than a pending trial.
The presumption or admission of guilt does not and should not justify violating the Creative Commons License, nor perpetrating any illegal behavior agains any individual(s).
If JK Rowling went out and robbed a bank, or murdered an ex-Husband, in no world or timeline would that give a member of her publishing company the right to scratch out her name from any of her books and replace it with their own or someone else’s.
should not justify violating the Creative Commons License
Absolutely. Even a guilty verdict shouldn’t justify violating the Creative Commons License. It should either be completely taken down/hidden, or left in-tact.
That’s not at all what I’m saying though though, I’m saying that it’s reasonable for the site to take action to hide the account. He’s a public figure with an apparent confession, which is going to attract a lot of attention to that account that otherwise wouldn’t be there. They shouldn’t have done it this way since it violates the Creative Commons License, but I am saying that action to hide/disable the account is warranted.
So far, all I’ve found is a 2018 publication by the Police Executive Research Forum, entitled “The Changing Nature of Crime And Criminal Investigations”. It’s a 67 page document, and I’m curious to see if it discusses how their investigation tactics may have changed, and if so, whether the aforementioned tactic is mentioned as being included.
Another comment way down claims it’s standard operating procedure for social media sites to disable/hide and account of a highly publicized murderer, particularly during investigations. However, the provided no examples nor sources or technical documents that detail this as something that is genuinely done as a standard procedure.
I’m kinda gonna do my own research on that, but I feel the validity of Stack’s actions would to some degree depend on the results of researching that claim, and whether or not that is true.
It’s kinda difficult to research something like that though when most highly publicized murders predated social media in its current form, so it would be hard to have a lot of examples despite there being a decent number of people who fit the bill, ironically.
Pled not guilty. No he did not.
Pretty much everyone pleads not guilty, especially in a politically motivated murder charge (there’s always a chance of a hung jury or jury nullification). That said, his manifesto could be considered a form of confession and will certainly be used as evidence to that effect.
He pled not guilty, it really is that simple.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I never said he was guilty, I said he confessed. A plead of “not guilty” doesn’t necessarily mean you think you’re innocent (i.e. you perjure yourself; the 5th amendment protects against that), it just means you want to go through a trial. You can confess and still choose to go through trial proceedings.
To add, plenty of innocent people give false confessions of guilt. It’s a known pattern in human behavior especially under stress and duress.
I have no information to say whether this case is an example of that one way or the other, but just putting that out there.
I’m just saying that there’s probably enough evidence that it’s reasonable for a social media site to pull/hide his profile despite not being sentenced. He’s obviously innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn’t mean his profiles are immune from vandalism and whatnot.
Jean Valjean was labelled prisoner number 24601, apropos of nothing
Who is that?
Ah, a character for Les Miserables.
Why the fuck did they turn the book into a musical I can never unfortunately understand
I enjoyed it, though I’d much prefer to watch it live.
Money. Like how the CEO who got shot turned people’s suffering into money
thanks for this revelation. I’m going to look down the rabbit hole for myself. what a story if his account is true.
That’s fucking bullshit.
Censorship needs to die.
platforms like this are essentially private ownership of the commons
Righteous censorship, got it.
Righteous censorship is only “righteous” because everyone else is prevented from saying otherwise.
Can’t have a “terrorist” demonstrating his competence and productivity after all.
The overlords know they’ve really fucked up when the competent, productive people start getting resentful and side-eyeing the system.
Don’t worry everyone, the new President is going to rename the Gulf of Mexico and annex Greenland, so that will take care of it!
I hope he nukes the moon next time i he’s n hot water.
True, although it may also be “good things” done by person do not outweigh “bad thing” done by person. I’m sure there’s a name for that.
Like human experimentation. Yes, bad, shouldn’t be done, outright illegal, immoral, inhumane, but has been done. Should we discard the scientific results?There should be efforts to duplicate the results in an ethical way, the lack of rigorous ethics indicates biases. If you tortured a guy for research, did you also do less bad things like falsify results?
The Stanford prison experiment is a good example, afaik they published in several journals and I don’t believe any of them have printed retractions. There are huge problems with the methodology that are still being discussed, and the results are still being referenced.
Obviously no… We hired these criminals so they can keep doing these experiments in the US!
user4616250 will now be a famous meme. “How do we fix healthcare? We call user4616250.”
It’s like squid game where they identify you by a number. Long live user4616250
Anytime a CEO does something questionable; “/ping user4616250”
Do not forget me user4616250
Look down, look down You’ll always be a slave Look down, look down You’re standing in your grave
"He knew that man was me. Without a second glance! That Micky Ds employee spotted me. The crime stoppers bounty is his chance!
Why should I try to hide? Why should I go unkown. When I have come so far. And struggled for so long?
If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, they have won!
I am the ceo slayer that got away. They all are looking at me. How can I abandon them? How would they live. If I am not free?
If I speak, I am condemned. If I stay silent, I am damned!
Who am I? Should not this wage slave benefit. Pretend I do not feel his agony. This innocent who can be set free.
Who else should face their judgment. Who am I? Can I conceal myself for evermore? Pretend I am the man I was before? And hide my crime until I die.
Be no more than an alibi? Must I lie?
How can I ever face my fellow men? How can I ever face myself again? My fate belongs to capitlism, I know. I made that bargain long ago. I gave them hope when hope was gone. I gave them strength to journey on.
[He appears in front of the court]
Who am I? Who am I? I’m Luigi!
[He unbuttons his shirt to reveal the scares of a botched surgery]
And so UHC, you see it’s true. This man bears no more guilt than you! Who am I?
user4616250!"
A musician needs to write a catchy tune to put the name to so people will remember the numbers.
“calling user 461-62-50, he’s our dude, what he does is nifty!” :)
0118 999 881 999 119 725… 3
♪ 0118 999 88199 9119 725 …3
Oh this takes me back! Thanks for the laugh you triggered :)
Get Vikas Music, he’s based enough to put it to eurobeat.
It will likely take months, but I’m gonna try. I might give up before it is done, though.
I believe in you. If it isn’t the new 867-5309, hopefully it will at least be the next 6060-842.
Luigi, Luigi, who can I turn to?
You give me something I can hold onto!
Things can’t stay the way that they were before
It’s time to put some villains up on the wall!Luigi I got your number!
I think it’s hero time!
Luigi don’t change your number!Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!Luigi Luigi you’re the guy for me
Oh, you don’t know me but you make me so happy. I tried to free you but I lost my nerve. I said “nullification” but I got censoredLuigi I got your number. I think it’s hero time. Luigi don’t change your number
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!I got it (I got it) I got it
Put those assholes on the wall!
I got it (I got it) I got it
For the good of, for the good of us all!Luigi, Luigi who can we turn to
(Four six one six two five oh)
To know our pain, we can always turn to you. (Four six one six two five oh)Luigi, when the CEO fell.
I suggest these guys
Nice and catchy, but it needs to be catchy with more digits. Tommy “Tutone” Heath is still alive. I’m just saying.
I was thinking tattoo…
Moat famous number since 24601
Please let it be, haha
I cross posted this to Hacker News (which is very pro-CEO and big corpo) and it’s now rank 1 on the front page, lmao. People really support this guy
(And it’s funny because in the comments, people are seething “Nooooo he’s not popular, look at these polls that show he has 13% approval!!”)
(Not sharing link to avoid brigade)
Hackers
Pro CEO and Pro Corporate
What fuckery is this?
Live too long and become a villain
Lmao it has 3x as many votes as anything else on HN but the moderated pushed it all the way down to page 3 (position 60-something when I just checked).
Even if the 13% number were accurate - that’s a pretty damning number. 13% of people supporting someone for gunning down a CEO in cold blood is terrifying to CEOs.
That’s not 13% hating them. That’s 13% of people celebrating someone for killing them. No lawsuits. No trials. Just gunning them down in the streets. Things have gotten really bad when you have that much of the population actively supporting your murder.
If billionaires were protected as we protect children in schools, we’d literally run out billionaires in a month.
Wait, seriously? WTF is it named hacker news? Hackers are the least corporate people out there…
laughs in Google “do no evil”
Because those are the equivalent of Hippies that turned Yuppies.
Yuppies are weird because it was originally just a way to keep them in the news (“new movement! new group! news at 11!”) and be ridiculous. They got the DoD to sign a contract about exactly how high they were permitted to levitate the Pentagon.
And then it had it’s own Eternal September moment. But everything seems to.
The submission has been clearly penalized by hn moderators: Posted 3h ago, upvoted >600 times with almost 500 comments, ranking 23rd on the front page. Ranking first currently is a submission with 80 upvotes, posted 1h ago.
Wow, they also changed the title lmao. I posted it with the same title as the article
What does hn refer to?
Hacker News. it’s a link aggregator website and forum at news.ycombinator.com
Thx
Np
“Look at our corporate polls! Stop liking him!”
His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Luigi Mangione.
His name was Luigi Mangione.
Luigi’s contributions to Stack Overflow are the exact opposite of the mindless chant in that scene. Don’t degrade him with comparison to Bob.
Luigi definitely didn’t have bitch tits.
They’re scared of Luigi still, got it
Fucking terrified. I’ve never seen corpos circle their wagons like this before. It’s hilarious.
That’s not what the article is about. Stack Overflow has kept content that Luigi created up, but removed his username, in violation of Creative Commons. Edited the post to make that more clear.
If they weren’t afraid of what he represents they wouldn’t have removed his name.
Yeah exactly. And they’re not allowed to under the Creative Commons licence
…and yet…
This is the equivalent of a bank robber standing in a vault, filling his bag full of jewels. One of the hostages yelling “You can’t do this, it’s illegal.” Some other guy yells “…and yet…” minutes before police sirens can be heard outside.
I look forward to Mangiine catching wind of this, which is basically theft, and adding it to the laundry list of things to be tried in court.
Which is exactly the reason we are in a post discussing it.
Yup, it would be interesting to see this tried in court.
May I suggest a European one?
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No, they’re terrified of us now, they know we tasted blood and are hungry for more.
I know I am. I’m so sick of this system they’ve created and perpetuated for decades/centuries. I just want to live my fucking life without worrying about basic needs, or how someone with most can take even more from those who have little. Americans have more guns per capita than almost anywhere else. Those are guns in the hands of the people, not mercs or armies or private security. They should be afraid of us. They should be checking their car’s undercarriage daily before getting in. They should vary their routes daily to avoid patterns. They should see every person on the street as a potential assassin. Only THEN, will anything about these parasites’ attitudes change.
Unfortunately, so many with the skills to engage in revolution are aligned with the interests of these corporate leeches, and thus are fighting the masses, instead of standing with them. They wanted a Civil War #2, it’s time to kick up, not down!
Most gun owners are biggest bootlickers out there… They didn’t get weapons to fight corporate tyranny, they got them to shoot poor people they don’t like
Actually, they got them to shoot gun-wielding home invaders who threaten (if not attempt to murder) their family members.
On Stack Exchange, all of the contributions on the site are contributed under a license maintained by a third party called Creative Commons […] the work remains properly attributed.
This is the main issue IMO
Yeah, I edited the post to call that out specifically
What can Stack Overflow’s motivation possibly be to strip Luigi’s account? Are their private equity owners in cahoots with health insurance executives?
A connection I may be inventing comes to mind: all the CEOs making million dollar donations to the new administration in the US.
Basically, show you’re on the side of “law and order” and hope you’re not caught up in any purges.
Preemptive compliance.
In tejas we call that bootlicking
Kiss the ring.
maybe its poisoning the ai training
It’s pretty standard when a highly-publicized murder suspect’s online profiles are discovered. Platform admins will typically disable/hide their accounts from the public while investigations/trials are ongoing. This is hardly unique to Luigi.
I’m starring this cause I want to look into this myself, and if I find any technical sources that address this claim and actually detail this as a SOP, I’ll reply with that source later, or otherwise reply with “I didn’t find anything.”
Source: your ass
Do you have other examples? Because the article gave an example of a similar account that was not anonynized like this. Sure, accounts are often taken down, but the content isn’t left up.
How would this apply to the fediverse
It probably wouldn’t, because it’s unlikely anyone is going to do the work, especially since there are a lot of jurisdictions involved. That’s a lot of work for a relatively small userbase.
It would depend on the software in use, but i think the instance admin could probably delete the account. About renaming… maybe, fiddling with the database. Again, depends on the software (and admin).
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