• @[email protected]
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    Lmao, Trump is trying to make Native Americans foreigners based on a shit interpretation of an 1800’s law by one of his fascist MAGA lackies who is likely an illiterate dipshit millionaire yes-man.

  • @[email protected]
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    721 month ago

    Years and years and years of Republicans and Conservatives dancing around like confused travolta at the suggestion they are racist bigots. They control all three branches for barely 72 hours and nearly everything they have done has been in support of racism and/or bigotry.

  • @[email protected]
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    541 month ago

    The exception is supposed to be for agents of a foreign government: diplomats, soldiers, etc. People who are ordered into the US by their government.

    People who voluntarily come to the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

    Trump is trying to say that immigrants fall in the same category as enemy combatants. They can be held in the same way as POWs. Returning them to their country of origin isn’t “deportation”. It’s “repatriation”.

    • @jordanlundOPM
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      471 month ago

      By “Indians” here they mean Native Americans. O_o

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        “The United States’ connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weaker than its connection with members of Indian tribes. If the latter link is insufficient for birthright citizenship, the former certainly is,” the Trump administration argued.

        Everything they are saying about Native Americans is to support their argument against immigrants.

        The United States’ connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weak…

        I don’t accept this. The people who are not “subject to the jurisdiction” are agents of, or in the service of foreign governments. Like diplomats, spies, or soldiers in an invading army. People following the orders of foreign governments. People paid by foreign governments to be in the US. The US connection to the children of these foreign agents is weaker than the US connection to Native American tribes. The children of these agents don’t have a claim to citizenship under the 14th amendment.

        BUt Private individuals who choose to come to the US are not acting under orders from a foreign government. They come here - legally or illegally - under their own volition. In doing so, they directly subject themselves to US law, which means that their children born in the US fall under the 14th Amendment.

        • @jordanlundOPM
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          I have no idea, but I expect it’s better than “Indians”.

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            The general idea is that both are labels applied to them by colonizers and most people don’t mean either offensively. The best way to refer to them is generally with their tribal name if you know it.

            A lot of authors, for example, specifically refer to themselves as such if you have interest in indigenous literature (I really liked Green Grass, Running Water if you want a recommendation)

            Of course, everyone is different so you can always just ask.

            • @jordanlundOPM
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              Definitely agree on the tribal names, however in this case it seems like they want to apply it to the entire population regardless of tribe.

              Canada would call them “First Nations” but I don’t know if there is an American equivalent.

            • @jordanlundOPM
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              I’m just naturally assuming Trump quoting language from the 1800s is going to be offensive to somebody…

                • @PwnTra1n
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                  71 month ago

                  a stopped clock might be right twice a day but a broken clock might never be right depending on how broken it is.

            • Flying Squid
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              I have heard different people from that group of humans say they prefer one or the other for different reasons. (A friend of mine once said, “I go with Indian because it doesn’t matter since either name is just one white people gave us.”)

              I tend to go with ‘indigenous Americans’ because ‘indigenous’ is a word used for such peoples all over the planet and generally is difficult to argue against as an inoffensive and descriptive term.

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                This is pretty off topic but I’ve been wondering: how far back in the past do you stop before considering people indigenous? For example, my family immigrated to America from Europe about 200 years ago. Does that mean I’m native to europe? Indians are believed to have come from Russia through Alaska thousands of years ago. Does that mean they’re indigenous to Russia? If you go back far enough, we’re all from Africa.

                • Flying Squid
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                  “Indigenous” generally means “pre-colonial.” As in they didn’t forcibly take over the land from someone else as far as we know.

  • @Today
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    And deport them to …Oklahoma?

    • @ObsidianZed
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      And if we’re already here?

      I’m really trying to think of a joke but it’s just so stupid and infuriating.

  • Flying Squid
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    291 month ago

    Quick quiz for the Trump administration: where are Native Americans from?

  • @discocactus
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    I’ll take “things that will cripple the economy” for 800.

  • Zier
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    Native Americans and Mexicans owned this land before these orange faced racists showed up.

  • @Ensign_Crab
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    111 month ago

    This is unsurprising for the guy who idolizes Andrew Jackson.