There’s a lot of reports in this thread specifically around the “lazy doctors” and “it’s just stress” prescriptions.
This is where reddit would lock the thread and go “too much trouble to moderate.” That’s never been my personal policy.
But here’s the thing… “Lazy” may not be technically correct, but it’s been proven over and over again that if you are a woman or a minority or other marginalized group, medical professionals often are not listening to you.
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
“Why is everyone so depressed?” - A man who inherited millions of dollars from his famous family.
i love the tough talk from all the edgelords saying “yeah wait until you take mine away then i’ll be a real problem for you” – lol they’ll just lobotomize you. y’all have no idea what healthcare was like before anti-depressants, huh? you don’t get a choice what happens to you after you act out ONCE in public. sure, talk your smack, it feels good… but, personally? i’m scared. my grandma used to get shocks, and that’s when we actually had asylums… now we don’t. pretty scary stuff, ngl. not enough room in jails for all of us… they’ll find other solutions.
If anyone knows about lobotomies, it would be the Kennedys. Just look at Rosemary Kennedy.
Yea, perhaps a certain Kennedy in Washington DC needs a Lobotomy
I grew up autistic and had adhd and an anxiety disorder when most people had no idea what those were. My autism wasn’t that bad… but the way how people treated it they acted like I was less than human.
As an aside, electro convulsive shock therapy is still done. It’s weirdly been proven useful for the treatment of some disorders. But as far as I know, it’s now done with full consent.
But now, as back then, no one really truly understands the full mechanism that causes it to suppress symptoms.
Yeah my great grandpa was in and out of the institution for anxiety and it was a miracle he kept his brain in one piece.
Antidepressants have problems. They’re often treated as the first thing to throw at someone who has mental issues regardless of whether or not they’re warranted (back in the day it was a common story for trans people to get prescribed antidepressants instead of hormones and have to wade through the Dr’s crap), but the modern system in which people with mental illnesses are given medication that’s peer reviewed and have some degree of autonomy over treatment is worth all this.
This is of course not real. Acting out in public once may get you punched or a disorderly conduct charge but it is unlikely to enable anyone to lock you up let alone star in a remake of one flew over the cukoos nest because a lot of law and case law has happened since.
Someone acting erratically will not survive a police encounter.
Police have literally millions of interactions with people acting erratically per year in the US. All of Europe has millions of interactions per year.
Our police are defective not because they literally massacre every person acting erratically but because between near a million sworn officers dealing with 100s of millions of people roughly a thousand kill someone this year. This is defective because others deal with similar situations whilst killing almost none.
Setting up a fantasy world where a single interaction is sure to lead to fatality is bad because its trivially disproved and the dismissal risks dismissing the ACTUAL problem of those thousand poor fuckers who died many for no good reason.
Do you think those laws matter? You aren’t living in the democratic republic you were living in six months ago.
Well dumb dumb this is still a state law issue it hasn’t changed
Isn’t your executive currently saying they dictate the law though?
This doesn’t make the parent posters fantasy divorced entirely from reality true
Ssris is not something you want to rip away from people.
This is going to be a mistake that ends in violence.
More proof that the inmates have taken over the asylum.
Kennedy said he planned to dedicate money generated from a sales tax on cannabis products to “creating wellness farms—drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country.” He added, “I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need—three or four years if they need it—to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities.” The farm residents would grow their own organic food because, he suggested, many of their underlying problems could be “food-related.”
Hol up. They’ve gotten rid of all the people who used to pick fruit in rural areas, and now they want to send arbitrarily diagnosed “addicts” to these rural areas to live for “free”.
Not only will they live for free, but their work will truly set them free.
Arbeit macht frei.
We could even put that over the entrance to their camp to encourage them.
Move over re-education camps, it’s time for “re-parenting farms”.
Yeah what the fuck is that about.
It’s only sinister if they are not voluntary.
Anyone with a pulse finds this sinister as fuck because it’s obvious that no one would voluntarily participate in something like this.
I could see someone who is addicted to hard drugs finding success with a program like this, and the phrase “if they want to” implies that going to one of these is voluntary and not compulsory, but the real question is once they are there, can they check themselves out at any time if they feel like the program isn’t working for them? Or did the government just trap them in a taxpayer funded insane asylum for the rest of their lives because they now won’t give them any psychiatric medication to help treat the antisocial symptoms?
Of all the RFK stuff I’ve heard about, this one seems like it would be his best idea and one that most liberals could get behind if it weren’t for his regressive views on psychiatric care. Getting people off drugs and back onto their feet should be a worthwhile societal goal. Getting people off of SSRIs and Adderall and other psych meds seems like it would be counterproductive.
Sorry mate this is just bonkers.
Do you really believe RFK has just solved drug abuse?
Why not ask people who have been working in rehab centres for decades what is needed to mitigate this complex problem.
Where exactly in my post did I say this solves the problem?
People voluntarily go to rehab centers all the time. Court-ordered rehab is often offered as an alternative or complement to jail time.
Voluntary rehab centers don’t rent you out to factory farms as manual laborers during harvest season.
True. If you are being rented out then you are not volunteering. If there are daily quotas and
guardssupervisors then you are not volunteering.But people do volunteer for rehab. It really depends where on the wellness retreat <—> concentration camp line these things fall.
Why the fuck would you think this is at all voluntary? Why would someone who is doing fine on prozac volunteer to be a slave to “get off” it?
Slaves, they want to make us slaves
Well sad slaves… seems odd to get rid of antidepressants during such times.
I didn’t see “free” mentioned anywhere.
My guess is that these “wellness farms” will be just as costly to patients as traditional rehab programs, but at the same time the patients will be expected to do physical labor on the farms.
They’ll literally be paying to work there. Isn’t that the ultimate end-stage capitalist dream?
It’s not a forced labour prison, it’s a camp, where addicts are concentrated together to work. What’s the problem? /s
The idea that you can’t just step down off an SSRI as if it’s a heroin addiction is fucking ludicrous.
The thing is it’s so easy to verify that they’re not addictive.
Virtually every bullshit medical claim RFK Jr. makes can easily be verified to be bullshit.
And he just outright lies all the time too. I heard a radio interview with him where he claimed he had hundreds of clients with golf ball-sized tumors behind their ears from using cell phones. You know how you see all those people walking around with golf ball-sized tumors behind their ears?
Thats not even how tumors work!
It depends on how you define addiction.
They create physical withdrawal. But they’re not habit-forming as they have no direct action on dopamine.
So… as physically addictive as coffee and less psychologically addictive than television.
Anyway, they’re easy to get off of if you switch to one with a long half life (prozac) and taper from there. Easier to give up than caffeine. Or TV.
I think any definition of “addiction” that includes SSRIs is so vague and general that it’s unhelpful.
There aren’t many things that people do that wouldn’t cause a measurable withdrawal if discontinued.
After six months of drinking raw milk they’se gonna be about 50% fewer
patientsslaves for them to “rehabilitate.”Sounds like communism to me /s
They will even provide a free education in agricultural harvest. What lucky souls!
I believe they’d have to reschedule cannabis federally to tax it.
Good?
It is, it’s also unlikely.
At least he said “if they want to” for psychiatric drugs
Oh well in that case I’m sure it will be fine /s
That’s a pretty good concept actually. I doubt it’ll be good in practice done by a guy who doesn’t know what a vaccine does
Maybe get concerned when government officials start talking about putting people on farms?
I am concerned. I like the idea of voluntary isolation to reduce access to their addiction while promoting the ability to function again in society.
I know damn well that wouldn’t be how it’s used in practice, so I’m concerned with it.
Antidepressants are what give people the ability to function.
That’s what you are calling a pretty good concept.
I’m commenting towards the rest.
Considering this was all you said, maybe you should have made it clear you weren’t referring to people on prescribed psychiatric medication:
That’s a pretty good concept actually. I doubt it’ll be good in practice done by a guy who doesn’t know what a vaccine does
Since, you know, it sure sounds like you think putting people on farms for doing something about their depression is a good concept.
I missed the depression drugs part on my first read through.
It sounds like slavery to me.
If they want to
Obviously with this man is in charge it would be. However, the stated idea is not
They’re not just going to announce work camps for slaves are they.
Even if we’re talking about illicit drugs, sending users to work camps is not a cure, it’s just taking advantage of them.
…I think you’re not reading what I said…
They’re not just going to announce work camps for slaves are they.
Yes I EXPLICITLY STATED IN MY COMMENT I AGREE THEY WOULD DO THAT.
Not sure if you’re trying to be sarcastic but I’m having a hard time understanding your comments sorry.
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No it’s not. Have you been smoking crack?
Rehabilitation camp funded by Cannabis taxes is a fine idea.
How many people, taking antidepressants, are gun owners? Yep, shits gonna go down in bad way.
According to https://gunviolencearchive.org over 50% of every gun death in the USA each year is from suicide. More than half. Nobody gives a shit because while the numbers are staggering, they’re not kids in school or people in a theater, mall, or grocery store. They’re still dead though.
Gun ranges won’t let you rent a gun unless you: 1) Have someone with you 2) Have another gun with you (and clearly you just want to rent their gun to try out a different gun) because they’re afraid (almost certainly through experience) that you’ll kill yourself.
This nation not only doesn’t give a shit, it gives even less of a shit now as seen in this article.
Indeed, life is cheap in the USA.
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Do that shit. Take em away.
It won’t take long before someone reminds you why they’re important. Postal style.
The worms have won. Pretty soon we will all have worms injected into our head.
It’s the Illithid invasion.
For the Absolute!
Goa’uld
Teal’c, I’ve got a question for you. What the hell does “kree” mean anyway.
Remember that show BrainDead? I still wonder how that was cancelled so quickly. I cannot help but wonder if it was a little too close to home, even if it seemed like it was going to bothsider politicians in Washington…
Forced labor farms for those deemed mentally unfit for society. That’s his solution. Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck the fascist slavery fetish.
Wait? Did he really say that?
“I’ve seen this beautiful model that they have in Italy called San Patrignano, where there are 2,000 kids who work on a large farm in a healing center … and that’s what we need to build here,” Kennedy said during a town hall-style appearance on the cable channel NewsNation last year.
According to Kennedy’s plan, outlined in interviews and social media posts, Americans experiencing addiction would go to San Patrignano-style camps voluntarily, or they could be pressured or coerced into accepting care, with a threat of incarceration for those who refuse care.
But the San Patrignano program has been controversial and was featured in a 2020 Netflix documentary that included images of people with addiction allegedly being held in shackles or confined in cages. The farm’s current leaders have described the documentary as biased and unfair
Jesus Fucking Christ
The farm’s current leaders are the fucking mafia.
Yes.
Yes, he’s been pushing that for a while
Go ahead and take mine away. See what happens. I dare you.
Were you clearly diagnosed with clinical depression?
Or did your doctor not know what was wrong, said it was stress related and gave you pills to go away?
This is a really shitty attempt at a gotcha question, just so you know. I have depression, any neurologist with an MRI of my brain can tell you that, because there’s a softball sized cyst and the structural placement of it makes depression highly likely, it’s too big to be removed all the empty space would lead to shifting, brain bleeds, embolism, seizures, and strokes which would kill me really quickly. So shunt and valve and medication is my only treatment option. Anti depressants aren’t just for people who are having a bad week and don’t know how to cope, or people behind on their self care, or people who are facing a life challenge and just need a little pick me up. Anti depressants are being taken largely by people who go to their doctor and say ‘‘I’m so depressed I no longer enjoy the things I used to love doing, I’m struggling to remember what happy feels like, and I can’t stop contemplating the end of my life’’ it’s for people with clear diagnosable depression. Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did. Do you think a jog a day is the solution? It’s not at all. If that was the solution, this wouldn’t ever be a medical problem in the first place, easy solutions don’t require medical intervention. If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
There is a fundamental misunderstanding that most folks have when it comes to anti-depressants. A lot of people think that you take prozac and it makes you feel “happy” or at least “better”. But the reality of it for me is, I take prozac, and stops my emotions from spiralling out of control.
My neurology is like an elderly person on an icy day, it has a tendency to slip and fall over. Anti-depressants are just a walker for my brain, gives me a good chance to not fall over and break a hip.
This, it doesn’t give me a joygasm, it just stops me from being overly paranoid
Yeah, my experience is similar - I take zoloft and it doesn’t make me feel good or happy all the time but it does make my otherwise crippling anxiety manageable by significantly lowering my base level of anxiety and decreasing the amount of anxiety “spikes” and “episodes” I get
I’m not on antidepressants (except for anxiety treatment) but people love to act the same about my adhd meds. Never mind that I’m the first to say that in order to have my adhd under control I need to utilize a combination of good rest, regular exercise, large amounts of socialization, good diet, and Adderall which plays a larger individual role than any of the others. But no, people think that because the others are important they must be capable of being sufficient. But I can’t even maintain the others without Adderall. I imagine a lot of depressed people can relate to that. Depression meds sound awful and yet so many swear by theirs, so rather than assuming brainwashing I’m gonna assume they help.
You didn’t have to go that hard. You could have said “are you a doctor? ARE YOU MY DOCTORS? no? Then would you kindly stfu?”
Really they should have known better then to pick a gotcha out of an unknown situation
I have depression
OK, so you are in the first category
Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did.
I’m not. My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
Do you think a jog a day is the solution?
There will be some cases where this is true. But a jog a day is much more effort than having a pill. Particularly if you are out of shape. A pill is much easier for a doctor to prescribe.
easy solutions don’t require medical intervention.
Unfortunately paying customers want a medical solution. So they get prescribed a pharmaceutical solution.
If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
My beef is with the doctors that prescribe antidepressants as a generic solution to all symptoms. Not the patients.
Do you have something worthwhile to bring up or are you just trolling?
The fact that some doctors prescribe medications they shouldn’t is an ongoing issue for the medical industry that will never go away as long as doctors and patients are humans and we have incomplete knowledge.
It is not a reason to confirm a crazy anti-science vaccine denier as secretary of HHS.
Not trolling. My first post inb this thread acknowledges legitimate uses. I’m just pointing out the silver lining of this policy.
Reducing public dependency on badly prescribed medication doesn’t seem evil or anti science, but big pharma won’t like it.
Data guy here. You’re kinda running into the same rationale used by fascists, I mean republicans, to cut welfare. That being: there exists some number of people that game the system, so lets put rules in place to fight them. Sounds good right?
The problem is this: what’s the actual added value of these new rules? For this example, what’s the ratio of badly prescribed medicines to correctly prescribed ones? How many people that need the medication have to be denied it to validate catching one bad actor? Is it better to have a few bad actors to make sure everyone gets help, or is it more important to be punitive and make sure that only the right people get the resource?
Well, there’s a rational way to answer that. How scarce is the resource? If a solid gold bar was what was required to treat a condition, than yeah you’re gonna need to make sure no one is wasting it. But if the treatment is common as dirt, why are we getting in the way?
What’s the cost of the system as-is? People take medications they don’t need and may experience side effects of this medicine. Given that wellbutrin is hardly a party drug, it’s not as if people are seeking this out recreationally. They want to feel better. And if it isn’t doing anything, or is making them feel worse, than the discussion with one’s doctor should end up with “let’s try something else” (YMMV, doctors are sometimes bad, patients are sometimes bad, I’m talking how a typical case should go in a quasi-sensible world).
And you know what’s worse? Anyone that isn’t the patient and the doctor being involved in that conversation.
As a data guy we need to explain why 11% of Americans over the age of 12 take an antidepressant. The USA is, yet again, a world leader.
RFKjr has an alternative solution. If it’s small scale and voluntary then costs to society are minimal. If it’s large scale and compulsory then it’s very fascist.
My opinion is that the medical profession should focus on the cause of the above statistic. Not the solution.
My hypothesis is that lazy doctors are being paid to prescribe antidepressants. Whenever they can’t find a solution they identify “stress”.
But what leads you to believe they are being honest or will proceed in a scientific and humane way?
That is the real concern here. Conservatives describing their intentions in ways that sound good on the surface is the oldest and most practiced technique they have. That is why all the context and history around this craziness is so important.
This is my issue with all these “common sense” conservative ideas.
Yes, often common sense is good, but reality has complexity and nuance and you don’t get to just pretend them out of existence.
I think this policy is pure RFKjr. It’s not in project 2025 and conservatives wouldn’t endanger their big phama paychecks.
Now. It may be hijacked and twisted in its implementation. And I don’t think an environmental lawyer should be running health policy.
I think you are right to urge caution. The upsides are minimal and the potential downsides are massive.
My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
I feel like you haven’t gone through the process yourself. I got driven to the point of confessing I would be better off dead before I was considered for anti depressants, it’s not just a “I’m sad today” “ok here are anti depressants”
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I’ve been down the other road. Countless doctors dismissing symptoms as stress rather than fibromyalgia and prescribing antidepressants.
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
This is a legitimate conversation, but not the time and place. I have had similar issues with SSRI’s being the only solution presented to me (despite previous experiences + knowledge of my body’s previous reactions to these medication being articulated in my refusal) and this is very much due to having an AFAB body.
However, SSRI’s are an effective medication for many people, and the priority in this conversation needs to be on this deranged attack on medical expertise and established understandings of the science. There very much are serious issues with diagnoses/prescriptions being used as alternatives to acknowledging societal problems and a way to make invisible/medically gaslight the understudied chronic illnesses primarily experienced by women, but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model - attacks on this fact are profoundly unscientific and harmful and the fact that they are being made by someone potentially leading the medical “establishment” = DEFCON 1.
but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model
I highlighted this group at the top of this thread. My beef is with dismissive doctors, not their chemically imbalanced patients.
as someone that was also given an Rx for antidepressants due to a “fibromyalgia” diagnosis, it’s a working theory that one of the reasons for that disorder is, in fact, neurotransmitter dysregulation (e.g., norepinephrine) so that’s not completely off-base… sorry. it sucks, but it has to be eliminated as a mechanism. is it possible you have undiagnosed hEDS? that was the case with me, and a geneticist was able to sus it out. please google it, because if you’ve been diagnosed with fibro it means you have a vague nebula of symptoms that could be any number of things (e.g., lupus) and requires an extensive differential diagnosis which usually ends up being something else (if you’re anything like me).
It’s that the symptoms constantly change that is so frustrating. Thanks for the tips.
Im more concerned about TV docs prescribing cialis to 50 year olds…
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I’m done discussing this with you.
Dude, writing a single word does not even begin a discussion.
My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
If thats the issue, then ban HIMS and HERS, and other mail order docs from advertising on TV or anywhere else.
Totally happy with this proposal.
Ok, no need to send people on SSRI’s to a labor camp, which is what has been proposed.
“I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall"
Sounds like SSRI’s are voluntary attendance. But actions are more important than words.
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Oh yeah definitely. I always knew I had it, I’ve had it my whole life. You try being a suicidal 7-year-old and see how well you like it. I didn’t start getting better until my 30s.
Big same fellow person. Lookin forward to seeing you in the wellness camps, and looking forward to the hell we’re going to raise.
Same here. Even down to the same age.
You have my sympathy.
But I’m sure many lemmings reading this recognize the second “lazy doctor” scenario.
You realize you’re doing the “lazy doctor” routine right now, right?
You already decided on an answer and when confronted with a discrepancy, you decided that your understanding is correct and this specific situation is the outlier.
That’s the exact same thought process you’re complaining about.
Not really.
I’m diagnosing a problem but my solution is to investigate more, not to sweep unknowns under the antidepressant carpet.
I’m diagnosing a problem
Were you clearly diagnosed with clinical depression?
Lmfao, such detective work.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one, and stop assuming you know all doctor’s motives. SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable. No one’s making you or anyone take anything.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one,
I’m not seeing patients or providing medical advice. Typing on lemmy is nothing like acting like a doctor.
SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable.
Agreed.
Also prozac and other drugs are prescribed for “stress related” symptoms when doctors can’t find the root cause and when patients demand a pharmaceutical solution.
Where did you get your medical degree from again?
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The downvotes are from people who think your statements are ignorant lol
The down votes are from the victims of a medical industry that doesn’t allow doctors to say “I don’t know”.
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I’m not American so I don’t know what GPs are like in the US, but I don’t know of any anti depressants that are addictive. The addictive ones are the pain killers.
You have no place diagnosing people with no proven experience in the field of psychiatry, or pharmacology.
So stop parroting RFK talking points.
OK, I have no idea about the medical history of whoever is down voting. But it’s clear from the numbers that people are scared of their pills being taken away.
The only time I’ve had a similar reaction was when I suggested coffee should be banned. (It’s bad for the environment, more physically addictive than heroin and makes everyone’s breath smell terribly)
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I have experienced lazy doctors who dismiss everything as stress.
Ask your doctor friends what the phrase “stress related” really means.
I have experienced lazy doctors who dismiss everything as stress
You think people are getting depression diagnosis and SSRIs on that?
Just admit you’re completely uninformed and stay out of discussions in which you are so in future, dude
No. I made that distinction at the top of this thread.
You don’t need clinical depression for a lazy doctor to prescribe Xanax.
Diagnosed. And I medicate with cannabis, to the objection of the Federal government.
And, last I checked, whatever gets prescribed is between me and my doctor.
Amazing, how Reich Wingers, once again, want Big Gubmint regulating our bodies.
RFK is one of those assholes who was depressed, changed his diet and worked out, and that was enough. And he thinks that solution works for everyone. And now he has power.
Fuck anyone that takes my SSRIs away from me. That would actually make me leave the country.
“Well, have you tried not being sad?”
- my parents
Being rich also doesn’t hurt
His brain was eaten by worm, isn’t that how his depression got cured?
The only thing that worked out for him was being rich. Everything else is just an excuse/wishful thinking at best and a lie to be used to manipulate others at worst.
This is a very valid point.
Eating healthy, exercising regularly, time to relax and meditate etc. are luxuries not easily available to the poor. But a $1 pill is.
I hate to say it, but you probably can’t. People with diagnosed mental illnesses are often banned by other countries from immigrating.
I have EU citizenship.
Then good luck and I hope you make it out soon!
Still got meds. So fighting the good fight right now.
If you have the means, please gtfo while you can and let em burn.
Is that really true?
It’s pretty tough to migrate to Australia for example and I don’t think this is really a relevant question.
You have to be mad to want to live somewhere where everything is trying to kill you.
That’s just a dumb meme, nothing has been successfully able to kill me yet.
In all seriousness though, Australia is a popular destination for migrants.
It was a jokey comment. I steered away from mad max and insulting actual Australians.
RFK is one of those assholes who was depressed, changed his diet and worked out, and that was enough. And he thinks that solution works for everyone. And now he has power.
Can’t say about enough, but for me too antidepressants were not very effective (and also with some emotional downsides, I eagerly believe stats about ADs and suicide rates), and physical exercise plus simpler and healthier food (basically minimize sugar) did help me more. However, there might be a reversal here - maybe changes in weather and life events caused slight improvement in my mood first, and then came exercise and healthier food.
In any case this is considered very light depression.
Suppose depression and anxiety can take a variety of different forms, arise from a variety of different causes, manifest in a variety of ways, and respond differently to a variety of treatments.
In your case your particular malady didn’t respond to medication but did respond to other treatments.
It sounds like you can readily acknowledge that not everyone is experiencing the same illness and that often diet / exercise / lifestyle just isn’t relevant.
The problem @[email protected] is referring to is when people who successfully treat their illness with diet and exercise assume that everyone elses illness will respond in the same way.
Jesus there is another solution don’t walk away from your home this is your cross to bear.
this is your cross to bear
The fuck it is. I didn’t vote for Trump and I sure as shit didn’t sign off on Elon Musk’s god damned meddling.
Buddy you missed the guys comment I was replying to was named Jesus.
“simplejack” = “Jesus”? I’m not seeing it.
there is another solution
What’s your solution to being suicidal even after trying all of the non-pharma solutions for decades?
Walk on water, water into wine, so obvious water into blood. We need to extract the brain worm with an industrial waterjet cutter! Blessed by a native natural shaman of course to ward off the scientist’s curse.
When the options are “I don’t get the drugs that will stop me from killing myself” or “find a country that will give them to me,” I think there’s a pretty clear choice.
Oh shit, wouldn’t this be grounds for asking for asylum?
Are those the only two options? What if you did your ancestors proud and dumped tea in the harbor. I mean if you save your country you violate no law. Not a very creative problem solver, unusual for a squid.
Yes, if you will commit suicide if you don’t have the drugs you need, those are your only options if you want to stay alive.
Are you one of those “smile more” people?
Also, maybe don’t do your racist ancestors who tried to blame their protest on indigenous Americans proud? What with that being super fucking racist? You do know that’s what happened, right? They dressed up like indigenous people and then dumped the tea in the harbor.
Creating an environment of corruption, chaos, hate and suffering. Hurting the majority of people economically, and ripping away hope for the future. Cutting programs that safeguard people, and specifically targeting their access to healthcare. And taking away the medications that help people deal with mental illness.
Sounds like a recipe for causing people to become desperate and decide they have nothing to lose.
These people never learned why and how Caucescu got what he got. Can’t wait for them to learn first hand!
Putin’s nightmare about Gaddafi. Benito Mussolini displayed in the street. Ceaușescu’s last moment on video.
Team Luigi needs more branding.
Ding ding ding! Make no mistake about it… the penultimate goal of the first six months of project 2025 is the suspension of habeus corpus and the deployment of US Military as civilian police. They need a riot to justify that last power grab. When you understand that fact, you can see the common thread in all of the random cruelty out of the gate. It’s not called project 2026.
Also the the goals of accelerationism, though it claims that such is a precursor to revolution and utopia.
You know who never rioted? Luigi. I think we should all follow his lead.
If he tries to ban meds, big pharma will absolutely fucking pulverise him.
I couldn’t agree more. Forced labor camps for the citizenry is totally ok, but you don’t just fuck with the bag. Eli Lilly, Astra Zeneca, Pfizer & friends won’t allow even the restriction of SSRIs, let alone the banning. Worst case scenario, they get “forced” to increase the price.
Too much money involved for that.
Pharma has an open left leaning culture but once you get to executive leadership and the board the only thing that matters is sales. The bribers (aka lobbyists) will work with anyone.
You can bet your ass there is more chance of the FDA getting disbanded than drugs having prices regulated or simply being banned from sale. I’m expecting the biden price negotiations for medicare and medicaid to go away so the pharmas can milk us even more with their exclusive monopolies for the first decade or so of sales.
From what I can tell, the most widely used antidepressants are long off patent and pretty cheap as generics. That’s why insurance companies want doctors to prescribe them instead of sending you to expensive therapy. Overprescribing antidepressants in that sense is more like overprescribing aspirin. Medically unnecessary, maybe even potentially harmful? Maybe. But, the stuff is too cheap for Big Pharma to be doing it purely for the money. That’s what opiods were for ;).
I don’t think it will get that far even.
