• nomy@lemmy.zip
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      14 hours ago

      Counterpoint:

      Obviously all the good breads already been invented.

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    Japanese salmon nigiri weren’t a thing until the 1980’s when Norway launched a trade push to open up a new market there.

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      That also makes sense from a tech standpoint. Ocean salmon aren’t safe for sushi, they have have too many parasites. You need to either catch them from the river they spawn in before they get to the ocean for the first time, or from a lake, which iirc Japan didnt have any lakes with salmon populations. (Harvesting from streams at scale is also a bad idea, because they wont have had a chance to breed so youre going to be killing off a portion of the population)

      Even then its dicey; for raw, you really want farmed salmon, that are bred in a tank, with no parasites in the water.

      So it wasnt until global shipping and really the rise of factory farmed fish, that safe enough populations of salmon existed.

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        That’s right! It just blew my mind when I learned about it because it feels like it should be this ancient Japanese ur-sushi, yet it’s a very modern invention, or perhaps innovation is a better word here.

        It’s like chili in Asian food is not older than some three hundred years, before that they had their various spice mixes to achieve a similar result. Or tomatoes in Italy, same thing, and pasta as well. I mean potatoes came to Europe in the 1700’s…

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        Afaik salmon are farmed in large cages in the sea (fjords)

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      Note that Japan already traded with the Nordics quite extensively, including some more traditional fish options, and the parasite-free salmon was promoted on top of a well-established trade that Norway wanted to expand with a fish they produced in abundance.

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      Just need a chutney that was developed in the 90s, and then we can make a delicious chutney+blue ciabatta sandwich that’s all younger than you think.

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      If time travel is ever invented I’d love to give a plaeolithic hunter gatherer a crunch wrap

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        I feel like that would ruin their life. Like spoilers for a good ending that they’ll never see. They’d be chasing that dragon unto death.

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        A modern day big gulp would probably kill a caveman.

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      I heard you could send a strongly worded crunchwrap through the mail, instead of hiring a lawyer. But one of the guys on that podcast turned out to be a creep and the joke fucking dematerialized.

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      no shit? Ciabatta sounds like a culturally significant thing that’s been around for a long time, crunchwrap sounds like a consumer food product that was invented in modern times

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      Tbf, if they invited them too late, that’s just bad breadiquette.

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        Try to invent new bread in today’s social media landscape and you’d be toast

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          Haha, you provided me an opportunity to do one of those shitty pun threads that I always come across too late after all the good ones are already taken, so I appreciated the typo anyhow!

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    Did they invent the little ciabattas they use for sandwich plates at the same time, or did those come later?

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    It’s also an inferior bread.

    Edit: some strong, erroneous opinions on ciabatta in here.