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Yeah, using a 9 year old work laptop as my home server. Then with the surging energy prices last year I decided to switch out that laptop with a raspberry pi 4 as server.
Conclusion: I now have a laptop and a RPI running 24/7 🤦♂️
Conclusion: I now have a laptop and a RPI running 24/7 🤦♂️
Sounds like a win to me. lol
My RPi4s and 3s will out perform my older laptops, apart from the just retired P50 (gpu nearly died). That one is 6y, the others are 11y old HPs and a 16y 32 bit Xxodd (wierd brand). tje RPis are sufficient for normal server use, the nwew laptop (last gen i9 with 64G mem) can host (nested) kvm clients, so no need for extra hardware. (And still I save them, just in case ;) )
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I’m glad I don’t need computing power then. It just runs a webserver, 2 databases, mail environment, puppet master, icr client and some random stuff I just start and forget.
It does the trick here and it and it’s predecessor Rpi3 and 2 managed, are quiet and enough for here. Both 3s boot from microsd and run from USB SSD for the OS, data is on nas. All are stock, no extentions, apart from an extra USB nic on my firewall. (Somehow having 2 different physical interfaces sounded preferable to me for a firewall)
The old 3s are now interface for my smart meter and a domoticz system.
BTW I see the Thinkcenter you mention for €250 online, My RPi4 cost me as kit €108 (8GB version). That was before all prizes went trough the roof though, as I see the separate board now for €125.
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undefined> I was put off of RPis since the RPi3 too, the way they misled people with their marketing about it having a gigabit port which was on a shared bus so it was not really true put me off of them.
Yeah, that was the main drawback of the 3, the 1 GB port that was linked to the USB hub, which couldn’t do more then 480 Mbps, in total, shared over all USB devices. At least it did a GB handshake and managed more then 100 Mbps. ;)
The 4 However, has a separate chip for the on-board GB interface and I manage over 900 Mbps with it. When you use one as firewall and want to use 2 separate interfaces, you still have to use an USB interface, which here results in 300 Mbps trough both interfaces (after kicking the internal interface irq handling from cpu0). I’m probably one of the few so crazy to use an RPi that way. I came from 50 Mbps line, so anything faster is ok by me. (especially for the same monthly fee ;) )
I turned my ten year old Toshiba i7 with a cracked LCD into a virtual fish tank after the last fish died.
ATBGE!
I salute your creativity haha
That is so awesome!
Cool. A friend had one in a fireplace that played a fire video in the evenings - with the crackling sounds too.
i disaseemble all my laptops so they are just a motherboard, screw them into sheets of MDF, place vertically, and use them as servers.
NAS, pihole, plex, etc
Do you have any photos of this?
Would love to see how this looks in practice!Up! Also would love to see how it looks
You have a tutorial? That sounds awesome.
This article talks about turning a laptop into a rack mounted computer. Each computer will be different recreating something like this based off what ports it has and where.
Ummm… I need to know more. Photos? This sounds interesting!
My problem is that the ethernetports Clip is part of the case, without it, the Ethernet cable just doesn’t stick. Do you have a solution for this problem? A photo would be really cool.
Get a M.2 ethernet card and put it in where the wifi card was. You don’t need wifi if you’re gonna use ethernet, and the M,2 ethernet card will have a clip.
Hot Glue or if you wanna be fancy Silicone.
I looked at my old boards again and I think tape will be my material of choice.
I’d also like to see what this looks like with a photo
Do you do a headless install like Ubuntu Server Preseed?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler/Preseed
Or do you install linux on an SSD from a different machine, then plug it into MDF mounted laptop mobo?
I would guess by plugging external peripherals to the motherboard.
I’m talking about the LCD/monitor. Maybe @penguin_knight keeps the LCD and mounts it to the board as well. If not, it’s headless. Mouse and keyboard are not the issue. I always set up raspberry pi headless because the OS allows it. All you have to do is add an
sshfile to the/bootdir andwpa_supplicant.conffile in root dir. Other distros typically don’t, they need a monitor to be installed.I know, that’s why I wrote external peripherals and not external inputs. I don’t want to sound cocky or be an asshole (we all know how easy it is by just reading a message someone you don’t know wrote), but after 24 years of being in system administration/engineering/architecture I may have sufficient grasp of what I am talking about. 😅
Got it.
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My laptop for home use is almost 15 years old. My desktop is almost 11 years old. My work laptop is 8 years old. Here they are talking about more modern and powerful equipment, defining them as obsolete. I don’t know, maybe we should start questioning if these consumption dynamics are a bit harmful.
based and sustainability-pilled
I can even run the latest Stable diffusion models on my 8 year old GPU.
You’re right, but the vendors don’t support products very long, vulnerabilities stack up, safe batteries become expensive and hard to source, applications become incredibly bloated as they’re tailored for newer hardware, the power costs stop making sense…
…and we can avoid all of that by getting a newer more feature rich machine every few years.
Companies need to make ‘repair and upgrade’ the cheaper alternative before any sort of critical mass is going to get onboard with serious reduce, reuse, recycle.
So again, you’re right, but it’s a complex issue, especially in computing.
So what’s loading up a YouTube video like? 100% ram and CPU usage constantly?
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The website maybe, but not the browsers and their video players… >;)
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mpv is older than most of his machines ;)
As someone who first started to load programs into his computer with a cassette tape recorder, I’m aware of that.
browsers are not the only way to watch YouTube
Between that and apps on a phone, nothing else comes even close in the percentage of usage for viewing a video on the internet.
but yeah - i get the point
Thanks. ]:D
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It’s not so much about the age, but about the mileage.
My Desktop is still rocking an Intel 4790k. 8 years later and Ive had no reason to upgrade.
Old laptops can are actually great servers—hear me out:
- Built in KVM
- Low power consumption
- Battery = UPS for power blips
- SSD (sometimes)
- Wifi + Ethernet = Redundant NICs
- Quiet (sometimes)
- Small form factor
The battery is usually long gone by the time it becomes a server though.
Really old laptops have PCMCIA slots too that you can hook into newer interfaces. I used a PCMCIA eSATA card for a laptop NAS!
The battery is usually long gone by the time it becomes a server though.
Absolutely. I still have my laptop from high school, and it’s battery has been long gone. The screen is on its last legs.
Maybe it will be a server one day, but for now it’s my DnD laptop. Sucks a bit when somebody bumps the power cord and the battlemap turns off. But it’s still limping by.
I’m patiently waiting for someone (anyone) I know to decide to throw out an old laptop.
Gonna bite their hand off for it, install Linux and proceed to fuck around and find out.
When you do, take a look at howtoforge.com.
Then throw on a bunch of containers from linuxserver.io
Quick & easy for testing & learning.
EDIT: fixed link formatting
I got a free laptop from work that is an old engineering workstation. Problem is, our IT pulled the hard drive and I haven’t found motivation to take it apart and put on in it.
Oh man, ssd storage is cheap as fuck right now. you can grab a terabyte for less than 40$ shipped.
Do you mean a server with a built-in UPS, monitor, keyboard AND mouse? Hell yeah! My old Samsung Laptop has been running my game servers for quite a while now, and I have an old Asus running PiHole and Headcale. Works great!
No, I use the old desktops for that.
Old laptops usually seem to go to other people:
- My first one I gave one to a girl who’s house burned down in my street.
- The second one went to my ex who is on really hard financial times and the old Macbook she got from another good soul died on her.
- The third one I traded in with my mom who really wanted a light one, and in exchange she contributed to…
- My fourth one that had more power for compiling things in my studies. This one I still have and use occasionally.
U a good person.
Unless her house burned down due to the battery in the old laptop…
I too am using an old desktop, but it is also functioning as my NAS, which a laptop would struggle with
Old laptops have little resell value. They work well as low powered hobby servers though.
I used to use my 10 year old old netbook (intel atom n270 2gb ram - ubuntu server) as a server for Plex, calibre, pihole, ssftp.
Now I am using a Raspberry Pi 4 8GB Ram, as it consumes less electricity. Old laptops are consuming (except HDDs/SSDs) 10-30 watt. Raspberry Pi in indle consumes 2watt and when i am using it at mac power with an external hdd consumes 12watt.
It’s hard to get a hold of the raspberry pi model 4 where I am unfortunately. I had wanted to use it to host some hobby projects locally and maybe as a low powered game sever, though i doubt it could handle it. It might be a fun project to try run an older laptop off solar l, I must look into it anyone has tried that.
I am using my Raspberry Pi 4 server for Jellyfin(movies), Kavita(ebooks), home assistant, ssh, sftp, nextcloud, pihole,pivpn dns recursive server. All of these services are running with containers and Caddy as the reverse proxy for the local’s dns address. I am streaming even VR content to my Oculus Quest 2 and it works without any problems!! Also, I am using it as an extra 5ghz access point hahah.
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Whoa, these little boards are powerful!
Shame that it’s hard to find and when i find one it’s very expensive :(
Yep… The only reason I bought it was that it consume less electricity… Otherwise, you can buy a refurbished ThinkPad for exactly the same price, witch core i5 6nd gen…
Sure, I even have an old Samsung Galaxy S7 running sshd right now :)
I am curious, the read/write speeds are useful o how is that practical ?
I love when people find useful tasks for older tech or extend the life of older tech. There is enough e-waste out there.
My (very) old Vaio from 2013 just had a disk change with an SSD and is now a fantastic domain controller.
They’re usually very inefficient energetically though
Yeah, one of my main priorities for a home server is its energy efficiency (and fan noise). Older laptops rarely fit into that. But newer ‘ultrabooks’ might be good.
do you think they would be better or worse than a desktop? i’m here trying to decide to use my old laptop or desktop as a headless server
Laptops will typically always use less power than a desktop.
But desktops can be cooled much more silently than laptops.
And performance will almost always be better in a desktop. But might also be overkill for what you want to do.
Personally, my 2 servers are a Raspberry Pi 4 running off a USB SSD, and a Synology DS220+, where I found an 8 GB stick of RAM that it would boot with for a total of 10 G.
This perfectly suits all I want to have at this time, with a combined continuous power draw of around 15W.
My X230 idles at 10W
Depends how old they are
Much less inefficient than old it infrastructure.
Yeah, that’s sadly the reason why I do have a pile of old pc/laptop hardware laying around and raspberry pi’s for my local server needs…
True, but probably better in terms of net environmental cost though. As there is no need to make new sbc board, casing, etc etc.
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Can you please elaborate why?
@rockhandle That’s how I started. Proxmox on a 9 year old laptop with LXC and VMs. Even now that laptop runs proxmox with pfsense and pihole VMs and is serving as my home router :)
