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I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the number of people who are continuing to stick with it + be supportive. I didn’t expect anything beyond the planned end of the blackout, although I didn’t expect thousands of subreddits to participate in that either. Either way I’ve basically cut Reddit out entirely. I used to scroll 2-3hrs a day and I’m down to maybe 10 minutes once or twice a week when I’m trying to find an answer to something. Attempting to fill my newfound free time has been… fun
Even if reddit changes course at this point… I’ve found Lemmy. And it’s just… better. And beyond that, it would take reddit years to recoup the goodwill they’ve lost with this.
It is sad that we are going to loose a bunch of community knowledge that is on reddit if they go under but fuck spez and reddit
Though I wish there was a backup of reddit so we can keep the community knowledge gathered throughout the years
Edit: typo
R/Datahoarder has been on this since it started. We aren’t losing shit.
are they on lemmy or somewhere except Reddit?
I don’t know if it’s exactly what you want, but:
https://lemmy.ml/c/datahoarder
Found from this search of that sub “rehab” list.
Thanks!
They won’t go under. They’ll just become a shell. If they truly approached bankruptcy, someone would buy them just for the brand.
I get why people are doing it, but truthfully the folks deleting all their comments are the ones truly destroying the data. Even if we all moved on, that data would have still been there for us to google, just like all those mostly dead forums.
or we can try to move the useful information to the new lemmy communities.
Something the Internet Archive should look into, if they’re not being sued at this present moment.
It’ll technically all still be there on reddit, right? We can treat it as an archive without actually being active users. Heck, you could even form a volunteer group to collate all the most important threads and key points into some posts here, or some google docs, etc.
There are some people, who in the light of the protest and moving to Lemmy, have deleted their accounts. Of these people there are also those who have purged their data, as in removed all their comments/posts.
If the purgers were content creators or support geeks, then the communities they interacted with might become a little “moth eaten”.
Luckily, r/datahoarder has been looking into archiving reddit before the chaos.
There’s a couple of scripts out there not just to delete previous posts, but to edit them all into gibberish. Even random gibberish for each post/comment. That’s much more destructive to reddit’s value and hard for datahoarders to detect, unless they started before the uprising and track changes.
Pushshift data might be a very good candidate for a reddit archive of data before may 1st but I’m not sure on the specifics of Pushshift access to the data
before may 1st
Not sure if time traveler, or…?
Reddit disabled api access for pushshift on may 1st over the claims of “user privacy” if I recall correctly which we know is bullshit because reddit are hypocrites and sell user data anyways
Ah, I see! I was completely unaware of this! Thank you for taking my stupid joke response semi-seriously, btw, and actually giving me an answer or some context for the OP… I’m really bad about posting things intending to be taken tongue quite firmly in cheek, and having them… Well, not so much interpreted that way. (Which, I realize, of course, is my own fault, but I seemingly can’t help it. 😋)
Meaning Reddit data up to that point in time
They aren’t going under. They’re still about to make bank. Not as much as if they left the frog in the pot, but they’re making peanuts right now.
Do you remember Facebook declining, or myspace? Those places still exist with usable populations. Reddit will linger.
Weirdly enough it got me more engaged with social media. In the sense that now I’m posting and talking with people on lemmy and mastodon more than I ever did on reddit. Weird how a place can get so popular it stops being a real community after a while
I don’t know that it has me engaging more but it feels more fun and meaningful now. Reddit had turned into man yells into the void for me. Now I feel like I’m talking to real people again on Lemmy. It’s such a relief honestly.
It helps not opening a post to find 10k plus comments and the top comment with 4k upvotes.
True, same experience here. It’s nice to not see 1k+ comment threads filled with karmahoarders voted to the top.
I think the strange part is feeling obligated to interact more. I’ll upvote more than I did on Reddit. I post more than I did on Reddit. The goal seems clear, to make this place feel inhabited. The more bustling it feels, the bustling it will become.
The other aspect is moderating communities. I’m not a mod, or at least I wasn’t. But Lemmy lacks the breadth of oddly specific comms, and if I intend to eventually doom scroll again, modding a niche comm is a good start.
That’s what I’ve been doing here instead, lol.
shhh let me pretend my attempt at self-improvement has been successful
It’s annoying that so much of my search results rely on community discussions from reddit. I’ve pretty much ditched the site entirely and am getting pretty comfy here, but a lot of historical discussions on reddit simply can’t be replaced and likely never will be.
Well, no offense, but I don’t want both of my arms broken to begin with, let alone what comes after!
I haven’t been on Reddit since June 11th at 9:30pm central time. That’s when the first of my subbed reddits went dark. I deleted rif, and haven’t been back. I’ve just been wasting time here, instead!
same here. still need to learn my way around, but overall it’s very promising. I’ve not checked Reddit since the beginning of the blackout, however i might do it for some very niche subs. hopefully I’ll find alternatives.
Do you mean you’re masturbating more or you took up painting?
Or painting themselves masturbating?
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Don’t go back. Even if Reddit makes concessions, the CEO has shown that he will do whatever he wants and doesn’t give a crap about the users of Reddit, you know, the people who actually make him money. Any site controlled by a CEO is at risk of this happening.
Not just shit controlled by a CEO, literally anything for-profit. For-profit software does not care about your experience. It cares about gouging as much money as it can from you. Open source software, the antithesis, is made for and by the people. It’s there to be as useful and enjoyable as possible. Open source software has nothing to gain from forcing you to jump through hoops, unlike for-profit software. They put the hoops in place, then force you to pay them to fix the problem they deliberately caused.
And it’s not like open software can’t make money. Donations have shown time and time again to be enough for software and servers good enough to deserve them. See lichess.org for a wonderful example of an open platform that even denounces advertising openly, and yet survives just fine on donations. The problem is the for-profit income model.
If all the third party apps die, I couldn’t go back even if I wanted to.
Honestly? I’ve ripped off the bandaid and moved operations over here. It feel weird and treacherous just going back to check for zombie comments.
Y’alll are more my speed anyway. Prost! 🍻
It feel weird and treacherous just going back to check for zombie comments.
Well, replace “reddit.com” in the URL with “teddit.net” and you can view content on Reddit without going to Reddit.
I did go on reddit the other day (didn’t login) and seeing all of the deleted comments the admins have removed for talking about THE ISSUE is kind of hilarious.
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It just feels more alive and real here… If that makes any sense.
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There’s no way they can IPO with under the current circumstances. They’ll not be able to strong-arm the volunteers into submission. I’m thinking there’s a deadline, they’ll drop spez and sell the company off to some place that gives a crap.
They’ll sell the company off to some place that will give less of a crap and will need to monetize even more to recoup their investment. It will become Deaddit.
Deaddit - love that moniker !!
Reddit was once a beautiful thing, I hope a way can be found for it to remain so. But this seems like a much nicer place now, more like the Reddit of old. So unfortunately, Deaddit seems like the only moniker that fits now.
Kinda sorta hope we can federate in reddit’s history at some point, like a static instance and move on. I’ve pretty much jumped ship, but no point in denying there’s a history there.
While Greece is still relevant today, its ancient history is what people look to. So long as Reddit continues to exist in search results, it will serve a similar purpose.
The problem with your analogy is that swaths of Reddit’s knowledge is intentionally being overwritten by its posters. There’s no guarantee that indexed search results won’t link to a comment that just says “Fuck /u/spez”.
this is what I fear, this is probably a hot take but I hope reddit might as well make it possible to see the first iteration of a comment, genuinely useful for knowledge subreddit
Let’s be real. That probably happened with ancient civilizations like Greece and Rome too lol in fact there are some d ocumentaries that point out just that, with Graves being defaced with… unkind words haha very uncouth and graffiti all over temples that are anti certain statesmen of the time etc
I appreciate this sentiment!
Reddit croaked?
Reminds me of the old dad joke.
What did the chicken say in the library?
Book book book.
What did the frog say in the library?
Reddit reddit reddit.
you’re not wrong
It already is Deaddit lol
Jesus Christian that is a good moniker.
Wouldn’t it be enjoyable to watch receive news of that here on Lemmy 🤭
Reddit is now further away from a public offering than it was last year, Mr. Huffman said.
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/85610/Spez-talks-to-NY-Times
I’m glad people aren’t backing down, whether you left Reddit entirely for Lemmy like I have or keep trying to start fires over there, it all hurts Reddit’s IPO.
It took many years for reddit to take off to become a huge player on the internet. Digg, Twitter, and myspace where the big players in 2005 to 2010. Then people started to move to Facebook, Snapchat, and Reddit as they became more popular. It only a matter of time until Mastodon, Lemmy and other federated platforms take over. Especially if the community keeps growing and spreading the word.
Yes, it’ll take time but this was a good kick in the pants.
Gotta spread the good word of ActivityPub!
Yeah does it seems like decentralized (federated or otherwise) systems will be the future of social media. There’s lemmy (only four years old, the most popular I’d say), bluesky (another federated system), and plebbit (peer to peer, uses ipfs) to highlight a few. So there seemsto be a lot of exploration in this space.
I think reddit will be around for quite some time, but it’ll never be the same, and die a slow death.
Bluesky has a great write up about federation/decentralization in case anyone is interested:
https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/6-23-2023-moderation-proposals
Users can move their accounts to other providers. Developers can run their own connected infrastructure. Creators can keep access to their audiences.
I don’t really get what protesters wants to achieve now but only a moron would go back even if they announced that there won’t be any API changes, knowing what shit CEO of that shit company thinks about them. Stockholm syndrome is strong in these people.
This won’t go anywhere as long as users aren’t willing to leave reddit. Mods can be replaced, users can’t.
I left…reddit honestly seems clunky now…I go back to watch it burn but it’s not burning enough :( maybe instead of John Oliver they should be posting dragons or something jeez
People should just start posting really unflattering images of spez or photoshopping spez
That would really piss him off
I left. dl’d, and then erased all my content. This confirms the importance of Open Source.
The longer this goes on, the more convinced I am that this will actually damage Reddit significantly.
Reddit is a full trashcan nobody bothered to empty for 10 years. Lemmy it up!
This 🔥
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Reddit will still be around for a good long while after this I’m guessing, unless the IPO offering goes completely tits up, it may be a long, slow decline, or none at all even. However, just given their attitude in all of this, they’ll likely be pushing people away on a regular basis with even more bad decisions until they it hits a critical mass and people just migrate to the new popular site/app. Whether it’s Lemmy or Tildes or Mastodon or whatever, another platform will likely take the crown from them.
I think Lemmy is in a good position, it’s decentralized and open, none of the other platforms are like this
And now people are doing GDPR requests. Literally takes 3 seconds. Might as well!
Will edit with the direct link in a second. It’s also a comment in the above thread.
Edit: direct link for GDPR is here: https://lemm.ee/comment/402687
why can’t jerboa open those links?
I think it might be because there is no “this is a Lemmy domain” in the HTML header and thus the Jebora Dev needs to register every website it can open manually and separately.
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I don’t see why anyone would be still trying, other than perhaps mods of major communities who want to hold on to their power or prominence. For typical users, who cares. It’s like knocking and knocking on the door of an ex-friend who kicked you out of their house. Just go somewhere else.
A lot of mods are community founders. They care about their community, not reddit. Reddits just a middleman getting in the way.
Imagine a group of friends. Reddit is the friend with the best house for parties, but is kinda a dick. The mods are the social ones that brought this friend group together in the first place. Reddit is being stupid and making dumb rules that mostly hurt the mod. The mod is trying to either get reddit to relax the rules OR convince the rest of the friends to leave. Truthfully the friends should leave, but reddits house is so nice and they’re comfortable. The mod could leave, but they’re afraid all that will result in is losing their entire friend group. The whole situation sucks all around.
Thanks, that’s a more precise analogy. Definitely we were never metaphorically 'friends’with reddit - the best times on the site have been when I didn’t really know who was running it or care and they just stayed out of everyone’s way.
I can see why mods of any size would want to preserve their existing community, because it’s true that most people won’t migrate together. With reddit’s attitude it seems hopeless at this point to me, though. Perhaps if they had a change of leadership, but it seems likely to only get worse if they IPO and are further corporatized.Nosleep for instance…I can see them being in a tight spot…it’s such a niche community and honestly a fairly important one…I at least have 4 physical books I’ve purchased from authors. It’s such a great launch pad. I feel bad that I’ll really not be spending hours there at all anymore
There is a Lemmy equivalent. Sorry not sure of the name. It was there when I was scanning through subscriptions.
Shameless self-promotion: It’s https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyscareyou or [email protected], would love if more people can contribute over there.
I think it’s more nuanced than that. Personally, there are a couple of reasons for me. Though, I have already purged my account and deleted it. First, I spent a long time on Reddit. It was a part of my daily habits for more than 12 years. Though, I think getting a way from it is not a bad thing in the case of the reason. The second reason that is more difficult to change with anything other than time is the communities. There are a lot of smaller niche communities on Reddit that really only have a home there. It’s this one that bothers me the most out of the whole situation.
i also think a big reason for mods of the big communities could be something similar to the sunk cost fallacy, you dont want to ditch something you spent a shitton of hours into
I MISS MY PODCAST SUBS :(
seriously, I was most active in those communities. Lemmy/Kbin are great for general info with comments that I mainly used reddit for, but the smaller communities with OC and memes that only those 50k people understood is gonna be fucking hard to recreate here.
Create that niche! Others may join and participate.
Third week? Damn, i sweared i joined only two weeks ago
I’m going to predict that at the 11th hour they walk back the pricing to a reasonable number, as it attempt to 1) save face and 2) to be able to point to their investors and the media that they tried negotiating.
It’s too late.
Yeah, I think that’s a possible way that this goes down. I also think that if they did that it’d be a mistake. I think Apollo, RIF, and the other 3rd party apps are gone. Even if reddit announced yesterday that they were going to keep the API free, let alone negotiate a middle ground, I think 3rd party apps are gone and not coming back. On the 3rd party level I don’t even really think it’s the cash grab that’s the problem, it’s the lack of communication and trust. Even if reddit were to bend over backwards to try to keep them, I don’t think there’s anything they can do to make up for the lack of trust this has created in reddit’s leadership. Same thing goes for the mods. The mods are arguably reddits most important users. They make the site usable for everyone else and if reddit was ever to become profitable I think the people spez would have to thank for that would be the mods who made the spaces that people wanted to come be a part of. They can’t trust reddits leadership either. It doesn’t matter what shiny new toys reddit may try to roll out to make their job easier, it doesn’t matter what exceptions they try to carve into their new API policy. Common thread here is noone wants to sink their time into something that might change as fast as reddit has shown it can. Being a 3rd party dev or a mod takes a lot of time out of your day. Faced with the choice of leaving or laboring for a company that clearly doesn’t respect the value you add to their service I think that most would choose to flee the sinking ship.
I think there are other motivations which will bring devs and mods back to reddit. Devs like the large user base and frankly I have no idea what motivates the volunteer mods other than a misguided sense of purpose.
I don’t necessarily think it’s misguided, simply misdirected. Mods are, I think, people who want to build a community. They landed on Reddit because well that’s where the people were. Devs have their own reasons, but I think the best are members of the community who simply wanted to introduce a new way to interact with it.
More cynical devs may view it in a strictly monetary way where they just wanna fill a niche. I think if there are going to be 3rd party devs who come back to Reddit it’s going to be those, and the service is going to be all the worse for it. But even for them, Reddit has proven itself to be an unreliable business partner at best. Why bother building anything for it at all if Reddit has shown itself willing shut you out of it’s ecosystem pretty much on a whim?
You wrote really good stuff, but please use paragraphs next time. Holy crap wall of text.
Will do. Phones, limited time, and stream of consciousness make for a poor mix.
Oh I get it, I post via my phone using voice-to-text as well.
And I swear I wasn’t just trying to just be a spelling nazi or anything like that. Its just you said some really good points, but damn trying to pull them out from that wall of text was rough. I was just feeling bad that you may not have been getting heard as well as you could.
Thanks for considering what I said.
No worries, your point was taken in the spirit it was offered in. Also I’ve never been great with the grammar thing so advice is actually genuinely appreciated!
Stop dreaming! Don’t get me wrong, I wish you’re right, but they’ve been too stubborn for too long to change course now. They’ll appear weak and loose the faih and support of their investors.
On top of all that, the corporate side of reddit want to gain control of the community. The way I think they see it is that it’s not a good thing that “mods work for free moderating their forums”. They do not have control of their own platform, and I believe that this doesn’t go down with investors - if I’m dumping my own money into a company, I want to feel confident that the company is moving in the right direction and they have the necessary controls to do so. Many of us will agree that that is what is unique about reddit and why we love it, but when you introcude investors, business and profits, you need to be able to control your own company to be able to make profit.
Yes, there are subtle ways to control the reddit community whilst still giving the impression that it’s free and fair (like what they did with the woman ceo a few years ago, remember?) , but really, all this bad press with the apis is stemming from reddit as a company not being able to control it’s own platform. Twitter did exactly the same thing and I for one hadn’t even noticed.
I wish I had the same hope, but I don’t. Reddit’s actions were clearly a hamfisted move to bully out third parties without explicitly banning them.
