• Selkie
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    Honestly a lot of it is probably people getting comfortable lurking again, Lemmy only counts post and comments as active users

    • @EmoBean
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      So glad I decided to stop lurking and actually start participating right as the whole fediverse dies out, it’s not just lemmy.

      • @[email protected]
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        I find it more comfortable to contribute to Lemmy than to other sites. There seems to be actual discussion and opportunities to learn, which can be much harder to come across on the other platforms.

          • moosetwin
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            Don’t worry! They’ve just become less obvious.

          • @[email protected]
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            97 months ago

            When you come across a ‘user’ that almost exclusively defends one controversial politician/company/government and all of their comments seem to follow a script. Also the account is either brand new or 5 years old but only started posting recently.

        • @bighatchester
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          That I agree with. I don’t post often but when I do it’s always very positive and makes me want to post more . Compared to Reddit where it would have alot more negative comments or would just get removed by the mods for some stupid reason. Did you know you can no longer post on r/buildapc about asking for suggestions on building PC’s ? What’s even the point anymore?

          • @banneryear1868
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            Did you know you can no longer post on r/buildapc about asking for suggestions on building PC’s ?

            Yeah it’s like a sub for a specific narrow purpose then people get buthurt about how people are always making the same posts over and over. So they turn it in to a wiki to “address repetitive spam” or whatever, so at that point you might as well just refer to one of the hundreds of other build lists found on other reputable sites. A lot of the productive hobby subs turn in to “hey check out my [reddit hyped product]!” and people actually posting things they’ve put effort in get little to no attention.

      • @Kaliax
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        Definitely trying to interact more, Lemmy is a gift imo.

      • @maniajack
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        I feel like mastodon is doing alright.

      • @[email protected]
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        For me Mastodon is still growing and getting more interesting, with more and more formal institutions joining (newspapers, NGOs, government institutions etc.).

    • @NocturnalMorning
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      I comment on stuff to try to make discussions active, it rarely works.

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        • @[email protected]
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          That’s just not true. I’ve made comments that I thought desirve no reply but humans find a way. If there’s no comments to read the shared content just isn’t that interesting. If I see comments then the shared content must be interesting enough to justify a discussion.

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            • @[email protected]
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              Of course it helps. But some of my shitty comments are scaping the bottom of the barrel of my knowledge or patience with the replier…

        • @harry_balzac
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          I comment because I crave validation from Internet strangers.

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          I disagree. It doesn’t have to be authentic necessarily. All you have to do to promote conversations is to disagree with someone. At least, that’s how things seem to go here

          • @GeneralVincent
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            That’s not true at all, disagreeing doesn’t mean you get replies to comments /s

            • balderdash
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              Are you disagreeing with my disagreement? I emphatically disagree with that

              • @harry_balzac
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                If you want me to go on arguing, you’ll have to pay for another five minutes.

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      • @PopOfAfrica
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        This is something I’ve learned from online game forums. You actually have to be divisive to get a high amount of concurrent users.

        It only seems to be the shit-shows that anyone feels obligated to post in.

        • @[email protected]
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          137 months ago

          Well I think you’re wrong, fuck you and your opinion /s

          I actually don’t know to what extent I agree with you, but your theory certainly feels plausible to me. It reminds me of the internet adage about how the best way to get a right answer to your question is to be wrong. I can’t remember what it’s called.

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              Aye, cunningham seemingly meant it as the fastest answer though, which was the sentence right afterwards in that wiki entry. So maybe mr. anarchist-with-a-machine-fetish would have gotten an answer earlier if he had said it was the anti-murphy’s law.

        • @[email protected]
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          Division gives people something to talk about. Not everyone can think of something constructive and interesting to say at a given time, but when presented with an opinion, it is trivial for most people to formulate a comment either agreeing or disagreeing with it.

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        I’ve been pretty successful and keeping conversations going! I DO comment quite a bit, though.

    • @axellenium
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      Time to step out of the shadows then 🤭

      • Selkie
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        I don’t know how long it counts it for, but I try to remember to comment something like once every two weeks or something

        • @KnightontheSun
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          I take a break over the weekend. If I comment, I need to check the client every hour or so. I don’t want replies/rebuttals to linger without a response if it is warranted. I need to work on my car projects and can’t be bothered with online interactions whilst doing so.

          • @[email protected]
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            That’s probably the one thing I like about lemmy that surprised me when compared to reddit. I’ve found myself commenting on posts or to replying to comments days after the initial posts, and no one seems bothered by it.

    • @[email protected]
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      Ok I am guilty of that. What about votes? Are they not counted as activity?

      I’ll try to post atleast one comment every now and then.

    • @margaritox
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      Well, as they say: “I’m going my part”.

      I try to make it a point to post questions on communities that have not kicked off yet, knowing that I most likely will not receive a response for a while.

  • kpw
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    You should have seen Lemmy before June 2023. All posts were from the same five people. For now the community seems to be alive and healthy.

    • @daFRAKKINpope
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      I wonder if those same five people are sad, presumably because their posts aren’t as popular.

      • JoYo
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        No, we are sad because the decrease in posts lately have left behind the worst parts of reddit.

        • @[email protected]
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          No, we are sad because the decrease in posts lately have left behind the worst parts of reddit.

          How so?

          • JoYo
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            267 months ago

            It’s all junk food generic memes and none of the whole grain hobbyist.

            If everyone is browsing by top-6-hour I think we need to rethink the organization of things.

            • @CleoTheWizard
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              Hi, they aren’t. I browse by Hot on All or Local specifically to discover niche and active communities. The memes I see on Lemmy are actually higher quality compared to Reddit, mostly due to the older user base here. Bonus points that we don’t have extremely toxic communities like dankmemes yet. So overall, that’s much much better for me. Even if the content was dog water, I’d still be happy about the absence of toxicity and everyone enjoying a semi-lame repetitive joke.

    • Rentlar
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      Yep, I’m jaded in my expectations knowing what Lemmy was prior to the massive expansion through June and July…

      It was still a fun place, but it was a couple dozen posts a day across all servers, by a handful of people from the bigger servers.

      We still have a lot of fixes to make on Lemmy, especially on the moderation, management, and content filtering side of things (though apps have been thankfully filling the gaps on some of these issues). Niche communities still need more participation to get off the ground. I’ll see again where we are in a few months from now.

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  • karmiclychee
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    I exclusively surf “top 6 hours” and I’ve actually noticed an uptick in niche community content, lately. Different kind of growth, maybe a sort of settling into itself, finally.

    • JoYo
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      If everyone is browsing by top-6-hour I think we need to rethink the sorting of things.

      • @[email protected]
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        Oh yeah, the sort here kind of sucks. Also just using the site, you lose your place/sort if you click into a link or the comments. Like, if I’m on page 2 of Top 6 Hours, click a link, and then click back into the scroll… pretty sure I just see the first page of Active again until I either refresh or change pages.

        That could definitely be improved as well.

        • @[email protected]
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          I don’t think Voyager has this problem. Highly, highly recommend, both on desktop and mobile. The UI is slick enough that it’s kept me here. All I do is laugh at shit memes but it’s perfect

        • @[email protected]
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          Are you using any app, or just through a browser? On a mobile browser, I find the back button to take me to the previous page of posts (so if I clicked into a comment thread on page 3, hitting the back button takes me to page 2). It’s definitely odd.

      • @WhiskyTangoFoxtrot
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        Lemmy sorting has shit ever since there was enough content here to make sorting necessary. It’s been five months and it hasn’t been fixed.

        Lemmy desperately needs a fork.

        • @TeaHands
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          Take a breath. Scaled sort is coming in the next version.

      • @IMALlama
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        I subscribed to the communities I care the most about and sort by subscribed and new. That said, across 20 communities it’s probably something like 10-15 new posts per day so after I get through those and interact it’s off to all.

        But I do try to engage in the communities I want to see grow.

    • @7u5k3n
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      That’s all I scroll as well. It’s not a bad experience over all

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      Bro, I noticed the same, it has been a long time since I played around with the sort types, I basically settled with Active and hid all seen stuff, now I feel I get different content with other kinds of sorts.

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    It’s very simple, most of the posts here are circle jerks (Linux, FOSS, boy howdy aren’t we better than Reddit, communism) or rage bait.

    I only come here when I’m having a good day and I want to reel myself in a bit

    Edit: see below to see how far Lemmy users will go to circle jerk how much better they are than Reddit

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      Yeah the “All” in particular is pretty bad for the average person. They’re not going to enjoy a Star Trek meme, followed by a Arch meme, a Self-hosted post, a grad-student Science meme, followed by a privacy post.

      I’m also convinced Lemmy’s “hot” algorithm is broken; I can easily find posts with ONE UPVOTE on the all feed. Hot is supposed to be a balance between acceleration and total vote count, but it seems like it just only acceleration. Go look at the front page of reddit. The difference is night and day.

      We need a normie.world that has an “all” feed that doesn’t contain 70% niche communities. We have c/humor, c/news, etc but they’re completely diluted by overpowered niche posts.

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        I have a potentially contentious opinion. Normies are what ruined Reddit and the crowd attracted by normie communities are why Reddit is even more toxic than it used to be.

        We don’t need to attract normies, we just need to attract more people like us.

        I don’t hate normies by any means, but I don’t want to hang out with them all day either.

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          Lol, yesterday it felt like there was at least half a dozen posts about Firefox, mostly claiming that YouTube was slowing them down. Which seemed really bad at first, till I dug into it and saw it was probably an unintended bug with ad handling.

          And why were there so many posts? Who wants to see the same post more than once?

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        While I don’t entirely disagree, I’m a little confused by your description of the front page of lemm.ee, which we’re both on. My front page when viewing All here is mostly memes/shitposts/news/technology when set to Active sort, is yours not?

        I’ve admittedly blocked a fair amount and have show NSFW/bot posts disabled, but the communities you mention aren’t affected by that.

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        We need a normie.world

        It’s called reddit and that’s why I left. Fuck the normies. They’ll import fascism.

        That sounds unnecessarily combative so let me expand my argument.

        There’s a book called The Authoritarians by a man called Bob Altermyer. Altermyer is now retired but he was a professor of psychology at the University of Manitoba. During his career he did a lot of research into authoritarians, both followers and leaders. In the book he describes for laypeople the experiments and the findings. If you want to do a deep dive into his statistical analysis you can because the whole thing is fully referenced but for people who just want an easy to read description that is also easy to understand then this is the book for you.

        After reading the book redditors behaviour became a lot more easy to understand. I was less upset by what was going on but I stopped engaging because I now understood that reddit wasn’t a site for me anymore. It was a site for people that enjoyed being normal and doing normal things. And that’s ok, why shouldn’t they be catered for?

        I use reddit and lemmy exclusively on desktop or laptop. So when the app business came up I didn’t regard it as my fight, however I thought that if I expected people to stand up for my interests if they are challenged I should show a bit of solidarity with them. So I didn’t visit reddit at all for the days it was blacked out. I didn’t like how spez reacted. I saw that people were crossing to the fediverse and I took a look for myself. I liked it. I posted. I wasn’t attacked for having a non-normie viewpoint. I liked that a lot.

        The thing about normies is they don’t read scientific studies for fun, they don’t like long winded explanations about why the world is the way it is. They think they can see something in the street and extrapolate an entire social policy from it and there are chancers that will tell them, ‘You know what? You’re right. We don’t need experts telling you that you’re wrong, what do they know?’

        So your Jordan Petersons and your Nigel Farages and Alex whatever his nameis, these people and reddit’s normie audience are made for each other. I’ll even go as far as to say this extends to the people that think the Democrats or the Labour Party are going to fix their problems, Team Liberal aren’t doing themselves any favours but my point is that if your goal is a massive website that caters to the largest part of the reddit audience you’re going to end up swimming in cryptofascist and sometimes outright fascist content. Been there, seen that, got the t-shirt.

    • @doingthestuff
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      The echo chamber is as bad as reddit but less diverse and smaller. Sometimes it’s really painful.

    • @[email protected]
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      That’s not lemmy, that’s all social media (albite divisive topics are a bit different among different communities).

      This is a hot take, but I think humanity is slowly turning it’s back on social media because of it’s toxic nature. You can only open a browser and get your nuts kicked so many times before you finally decide you don’t like getting your nuts kicked.

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        humanity is slowly turning it’s back on social media

        Are you living in a parallel universe or something? Are we talking for the same humanity that is 24/7 on Instagram and on tiktok?

        I really wish you’re right but I’m afraid that the minorities you may know who just abandoned Facebook are not representing humanity

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          Hmm, yeah I definitely see how I am biased there. I’ve been on social media since its inception, so my opinion is likely influenced mostly by people who have experienced social media for ~2 decades and are sick of it now.

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      Isn’t Lemmy suposed to be FOSS? I thought that was the main reason why people left Reddit for Lemmy was that and API changes. Wouldn´t other FOSS be of interestt too? Just a thought.

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        Reddit’s great strength was that it was big enough that niche communities could attract enough users to have interesting conversations and a steady flow of content, and if you are a Reddit refugee looking for those sorts of communities you aren’t likely to find them on Lemmy. I’ve more or less made my peace with that, but if you’re not the kind to stand on principle, a falling user count is bad news for the hope that the Fediverse might snowball into the sort of place that can support discussions about your passions and hobbies even if they’re not the sort of thing that is popular with a specific set of tech-savvy anti-capitalist leftwing activists (and I say this with love as a fellow tech-savvy leftie… but y’all got one-track minds and it shows in what communities live and die around here).

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          That’s fine, there’s intelligent conversation here, it feels like reddit did ten years ago.

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          Yeah even a pretty unpopular car brand (Infiniti) has a pretty active sub due to the install base. I think I’m the only person here who has posted about it at all on lemmy.

          I wish spez hadn’t ruined Reddit.

    • @[email protected]
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      Hey don’t forget about the other half of the posts, which are in a language you don’t understand. Seriously, my block list is long because language settings here mean nothing, and while I’m sure that’s quality content, uh, I can’t understand it.

  • Margot Robbie
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    Let’s look at some numbers and do some napkin math:

    Currently, the top post of Lemmy can usually get a little more than 2K upvotes, which puts Lemmy at about late 2010 to early 2011 reddit level of activity, which is right before reddit hits its explosive growth phase in 2012 with SOPA, Kony, and the Obama AMA. While active user count has been going down, the amount of post and comments have both been steadily going up.

    You also have to realize that in more than a decade, there was never a reddit alternative that has EVER hit this level of activity. (unless you count 9gag or the_donald for some reason.)

  • @Rolando
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    It’s worth noting that Lemmy only had around 1000 active users for the first half of 2023. (Kbin had fewer than 40 active users until May 2023!) Currently Lemmy + Kbin have about 38,000 active users.

    That’s the reality of where we are. A quiet rural village that turned into a boom town, and now is finding a new normal.

  • @ExfilBravo
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    Social media as a whole is slowing down I think. People are starting to realize it makes them angry, sad, and annoyed.