• tygerprints
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    They will grow up but it will be a much different world. Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right. Instead of fixing problems, oil and gas companies are doubling down on fossil fuel extraction. Kids will grow up to have all kinds of respiratory illnesses and also facing a world that is melting around them.

    Most years we’re in below 20 degree snowy weather. Today it’s 50 degrees here, it’s Dec 18th and we’ve only seen snow in our mountains, which is very rare for us in Utah. Not that I’m complaining about the heat -I love warmer weather, and I absolutely detest the sight of snow in any way, shape or form. But it is weird that we’re not even going to have snow on the ground this Christmas (we might get some rain this week).

    • @waigl
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      Temperature translation for non-Americans:

      70°F ≈ 21.1°C
      50°F = 10°C
      20°F ≈ -6.7°C

      • @Wogi
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        Conversion for the Midwest

        70f= nice out 50f= nice out 20f= bring a hoodie. It’s nice out.

        • the post of tom joad
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          Lol I was just telling my sister in law “how nice it was out” yesterday. I look at the temp: 22F.

        • @[email protected]
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          -10f - damn. Snot froze. That’s inconvenient. Still, look at those sun dogs. It’s nice out.

          -40 - my eyes froze shut when I blinked… It’s darn cold.

        • EvilHaitianEatingYourCat
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          It’s currently 50F° in my living room. It’s been like this since start of December. Heating is for weaklings.

          • danielbln
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            Mold spores be like

          • @Wogi
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            My dogs start to shiver inside at like 55, but will spend all day outside at 30 and love every minute of it. Fuckin weirdos. So we compromise, they get the heat, the fluffy pillows, and wrapped in blankets, and I get to live with them.

      • @Pretzilla
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        Here’s an easy way for disadvantaged yanks to learn Celsius:

        40C = 104F perfect hot tub temp
        30C = 86F hot day
        20C = 68F nice cool day
        10C = 50F chilly day
        0C = 32F freezing

        Commit these to memory, then it’s exactly 9F for every 5C in between. (or about 2:1)

        [da fak with the downvotes? Just refuse to learn?]

        • @Dozzi92
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          You give multiple references and say remember these and then do some estimations. Just subtract 30, divide by 2. 80F is approximately 25C. I’m not cooking meth here I’m arguing on the Internet.

          • @Pretzilla
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            Fine but I’m offering a simplified and exact conversion method that mostly only requires memorizing four numbers

            • @Dozzi92
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              I suppose there are different ways to learn and whatever works! Always good to have options.

          • @blazeknave
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            So close to downvoting… finger swiping that way… Why no other downvotes to this jerk?.. Swiping… Reading… Swiping… last sentence… “oh, I love this motherfucker”

          • @Pretzilla
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            The calendar thing is off though. Month first gives day context.

            I get it though - if you are brought up with D-M, you get used to parsing it on the fly.

            • @KnowLimits
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              YYYY-MM-DD is the only reasonable way.

        • @waigl
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          [how do I get that hard return on phone keyboard?]

          End your line with two spaces.

          Like
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          • @jaybone
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            Lol Memmy interprets that as no spaces.

        • @[email protected]
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          Right? Who has use for a temperature scale which has 100 as the upper level of human comfort and zero as the lower end?

        • @BreadOven
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          Learn a less common system of temperature? If I really care, I’ll use the formula.

        • @RGB3x3
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          This shows one of the things I don’t like about Celsius: that 10C is a fairly comfortable 50F, but then suddenly you’re at freezing only 10° lower.

          Fahrenheit is just an easier scale for everyday temps. But I will admit that 32° is dumb as a freezing point.

          • @[email protected]
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            I vehemently disagree with the common American trope that Celsius is good for science but that Fahrenheit would somehow be objectively better for everyday temperatures.

            As a Celsius user, my experience is completely opposite to yours: 10C or 50F is starting to be quite cool already, bordering on cold, but you still have a whole 18 degrees F to go before freezing?! Why do you need so damn many subsivisions to describe that relatively small gap in temperature?

            Mind you, I’m also not saying that Celsius is the superior everyday temperature scale (even though in my mind it obviously is). With temperature scales it’s really about what you’re used to more so than with most other kinds of measurements.

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              I’d argue that you would definitely feel a difference in those temps between them if you were used to scale that allowed for smaller variation. 52°F for someone used to living in a cold climate can still be quite pleasant but I find at under 50°F the amount of time I can spend outside without proper bundling shortens with each couple degrees.

              It’s like knowing whether I can run out the garbage real quick without bothering with a coat at a glance. I think it does a good job of helping convey a self learned length of time of comfort better in fahrenheit without having to remember decimals which many people are too dumb to use.

              • @[email protected]
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                52°F for someone used to living in a cold climate can still be quite pleasant but I find at under 50°F the amount of time I can spend outside without proper bundling shortens with each couple degrees.

                11°C for someone used to living in a cold climate can still be quite pleasant but i find at under 10°C the amount of time I can spend outside without proper bundling shortens with each degree.

                …means pretty much the exact same thing.

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              you seem to have not noticed, even in Celsius/metric countries, people cooking immediately switch to Fahrenheit, in the same way carpenters immediately switch to standard. most thermostats are in Farenheit also, simply because the celsius degrees are much larger, and i absolutely can feel the difference between 69 and 70.

              • @[email protected]
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                even in Celsius/metric countries, people cooking immediately switch to Fahrenheit

                I’m not sure if you’re joking here but I’ve literally never heard of anyone doing this. Not in my country, not even in any other.

                To me this is like saying “do you know how Yanks switch to metric when they talk about kitten mitten measurements”. Like lmao what

                • @[email protected]
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                  I’m Canadian. Everyone cooks and carpenters in Imperial. The British and Irish i know say the same, countries’ metric but the trades aren’t.

          • @[email protected]
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            511 months ago

            how is “10” from “comfortable” to “freezing” vastly different from “18”?

          • @Pretzilla
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            Ok but we don’t count by 10’s. There are 9 more integers in between you can use.

            Do you notice a big temperature difference between 68F and 70? That’s one degree of C. Plenty of resolution.

            And instead of saying “in the 50’s”, you can say “in the low 10’s”

      • @Mr_Blott
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        Nice, but should be “temperature translation for 99% of countries”

      • @elephantium
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        Bad bot. Temperature conversions for conversational threads should not manufacture extra significant figures.

        70F is 21C, and if you need more precision than that, it’s not in a Lemmy thread!

        • @waigl
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          I’m not a bot. (Yes, I copy-pasted that response in one more place in this discussion. Still not a bot.) And as for the precision, at this point, for temperatures in the Celsius, that’s basically just a matter of opinion. I figured in the moment that one digit after the decimal point would be good. No, I did not write a long thesis comparing arguments and pros and cons for any of the options. Sorry if the result didn’t meet your exact preferences.

          • @elephantium
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            I’ve been soured by seeing too many temperature-conversion-bot posts on reddit, I suppose. I still say it’s wrong to inject fake precision for this kind of thing, though. It’s just silly – again, nobody goes around talking about the weather, saying that it’s 21.3 degrees out or that the forecast is a high of 70.4 degrees. That’s just absurd.

        • @YoorWeb
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          Another one, are you guys scared of fractions or something?

          • @elephantium
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            That’s super out of left field. What do fractions have to do with anything here?

            • lad
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              Not the one who you reply to, but that was probably in regard to “more degrees = better precision”

    • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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      Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans, and she was right.

      That’s amazing. She died in 1964 and still kept working.

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        Well what I’m referring to is her book “Silent Spring,” which gained national attention in the 70s. Not saying she wrote it during the 70s.

    • @[email protected]
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      I’m up in Mammoth right now and it is raining, absolutely wild for this time of year. I didn’t even bother snowboarding this trip because the slopes are more conducive to ice-skating. Caught of on a lot of sleep though, so that was nice.

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        Mammoth, that’s gotta pretty nice right now (if you don’t mind no snow). Not as cold as it usually is for this time of year. I want to go there soon, hopefully this coming summer, because it’s usually nicer up there.

        • @[email protected]
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          Yeah i’ll say it’s been pretty nice weather despite the crap conditions. As of now it’s trying to turn from rain to snow, of course as we’re about to head home lol

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      Back in the 70s, Rachel Carson posited that it was probably already too late to turn back the effects of air pollution and poisoning of our oceans,

      I feel ya, but try not to give in to that feeling, as it’s also the last step in the oil companie’s PR playbook; when it’s finally coming knowledge, to say "well, yes it was our fault but it’s too late to do anything about it "

      • tygerprints
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        Well it’s not a very positive outlook, but I’ve heard it from scientists more than from big oil and gas (that it’s too late to turn back these effects). I"m not saying we can’t try to mitigate these things going forward, maybe we can make huge changes by taking small steps toward cleaner energy sources.

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      I mean… This isn’t that rare in Utah? Last year was wild, but besides that, this is pretty par for course the last 5 years, and not out of the normal for the last 5 before that. Especially not having snow sticking in the Valley…

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m probably going to bail on Utah soon because how fucked this are getting with the climate/droughts/air quality… But this year isn’t some wild leap

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    My kids won’t have this problem. Given the circumstances that have been obvious for 40-50 years I made the best and most responsible parenting decision possible. I didn’t have any.

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      But now your responsible, climate-concerned genes have been removed from the gene-pool.

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        I’m not going to force children to live in a future I have no faith in just so I can say I’m part of the “gene pool”. It’s unfair to make them pay the costs for several lifetimes of greed and irresponsibility. To me, that’s exceptionally arrogant and cruel.

        I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not willing to bet my child’s future on that.

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          I’m worried about an Idiocracy scenario. If all the people that care about the climate and environment decide that not having kids is a solution, we’re just going to be left with all the irresponsible idiots reproducing. It’s like choosing not to vote because you don’t like either candidate.

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            We’re already in the idiocracy scenario.

            Except instead of President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Comacho, we have a confirmed fascist traitor running for office.

            • @Gigan
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              Yeah, but he lost last time. And if you say we’re in the Idiocracy scenario already, what does that say about the current president?

          • @[email protected]
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            That argument smacks dangerously of eugenics. Conservative and religious parents have leftist and atheist kids all the time. My spouse and I are both from families like that, and won’t be teaching our kids those values because they’re bat shit.

            You can see how both ideologies are self defeating in how the rates of practicing Christians in the US is dwindling, and the ultra conservative base is aging faster than they’re being replaced. That’s why they’re pushing abortion and gutting school systems so hard. The only way they replinish their numbers is through force and sabotage.

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          Very few people who live, regret having lived. That is, even people who go through the toughest of times. I’d pick being born today in a lower income family, over not being born, 100 times out of 100.

          If you feel like you’ll be a capable parent, it is not at all cruel.

          • @Chobbes
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            I don’t know if this is as true as you think. There are plenty of people who don’t want to be here and don’t particularly enjoy life. I think it’s kind of hard to know how many people feel this way too because it’s a bit of a taboo subject. I wouldn’t say “very few” though, you’ve probably met several such people even if you didn’t know.

      • @Pretzilla
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        Progeny are highly unpredictable and rebellious anyway

        Adoption, teaching others that aren’t your blood relatives, are viable

      • uphillbothways
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        Good. Humans are a trash fire and I wish them all that they deserve. I no longer consider myself part of their species. They’re not fit to breed with.

          • @MindSkipperBro12
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            All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

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            @Tavarin said: Sorry, but you’re still human. Enjoy the crap with the rest of us.

            ^ Exhibit A: Humans love to explain away and invalidate the sexual choices of members of their social groups. Just one way in which they are terrible with far too great of frequency.

            Wikipedia defines species thusly: “A species (pl. species) is often defined as the largest group of organisms in which any two individuals of the appropriate sexes or mating types can produce fertile offspring, typically by sexual reproduction.”

            I have rejected requests to procreate with several partners (including one who became my spouse given those conditions) and had my ability to reproduce sexually removed surgically. I can no longer produce fertile offspring with other humans. But, you probably just enjoy telling people their choices are invalid and that they don’t/shouldn’t have agency over their own bodies…
            Bye.

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              Sorry, you’re still human.

              Infertile members of a species are still part of that species, even if they don’t contribute to it’s continuation.

              Enjoy being human, because you are one.

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                Scary to imagine that someone out there might actually believe that if we forcibly sterilized a group of individuals, we are (not only committing a heinous and evil act, but also) removing their status as a human being.

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                  Forcibly for others is obviously unacceptable and has nothing to do with anything I said. I was talking about voluntarily disassociating myself from a violent and catastrophic species. You’re deranged to suggest my words contained any other insinuation.

            • @LemmysMum
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              Humans, or modern humans (Homo sapiens or H. sapiens), are the most common and widespread species of primate. A great ape characterized by their hairlessness, bipedalism, and high intelligence, humans have large brains, enabling more advanced cognitive skills

              Huh, you might be right.

    • @Wrench
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      Friends/acquaintances with young children always want to know why my wife and I chose not to have kids. I get very dirty looks when my first answer is “there are already too damn many people in the world as it is”

      The economists are the worst. “Don’t you know, we need children to fund your retirement! Economies need a growing population!”

      Yeah, fuck off. That’s not sustainable and you know it. We’re going to need to figure out how to make shrinking populations work.

    • @Tangent5280
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      Your kids warm and safe and comfortable in your balls bro, Im getting real jealous rn fr fe

    • @FrankTheHealer
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      I really respect that sentiment. Like, I don’t have kids of my own, but I am majorly conflicted about having them because i know that their lives will be massively impacted by this shit. I don’t know if I can do that to them.

      • @[email protected]
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        Yeah, but stop thinking about their well-being and instead what they can do to make you happy! /s

        This is how I see far too many parents act lol.

    • @jaybone
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      People living near the equator are still having kinds, and those families will need to move somewhere when things get too bad there. They will come and replace the family you didn’t have when it comes time for the great food wars.

  • @Eheran
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    70 degrees of what? Freedom?

    • @waigl
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      Temperature translation for non-Americans:

      70°F ≈ 21.1°C
      50°F = 10°C
      20°F ≈ -6.7°C

      • @elephantium
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        I posted this further upthread, but it bears repeating. Don’t manufacture fake precision. Nobody says “It’s 69.8 degrees out”, just like nobody says “It’s 21.1°C”. 70F is 21C, and if you need more precision than that, it’s not in a Lemmy comment!

        • @[email protected]
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          if you need more precision than that, it’s not in a Lemmy comment!

          If you need more precision about less precision?

          That’s in a Lemmy comment! 🤓

        • @[email protected]
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          I get what you’re saying, but there are threads on Lemmy that get super technical. Those do require quite a bit of specifics in some cases.

          • @WhiskyTangoFoxtrot
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            Super-technical threads need to respect significant figures. Your result can’t be more precise than your inputs.

        • @YoorWeb
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          Fake precision? It’s a simple unit conversion.

          • @[email protected]
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            This is a sciency thing about precision. The classic example is the old joke of “this dinosaur skeleton is ten million years and two weeks old - they told me it was ten million years old when I started, and I’ve been working here two weeks”, the point being that the age was roughly ten million years, not tell million years exact to the day.

            Scientists talk about “significant figures”, the number of digits that are actually important and not just extra zeroes, e.g. 10000 has one (probably!) and 0.0103 has 3. So when someone says it’s 70°F they are probably rounding to two significant figures, so for the conversion you should do the same, i.e. 21°C. If they said it’s 70.0°F then you’d convert to 21.1°C.

          • @elephantium
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            Sure, it’s a simple unit conversion, but it’s a rough figure. When I say it’s 70 degrees, I’m not saying that it’s 70.000 degrees.

            What I’m really saying is that it’s about 70 degrees, so the true temp could be between 69.6 and 70.4 degrees (I don’t know, I’m not looking at the thermometer that closely).

            69.60 F = 20.89 C 70.40 F = 21.33 C

            Turning my “70F” into “exactly 21.11111C” is just silly.

            Did no one else learn about significant figures in grade school?!

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        I’m in the US and it’s below freezing here & now. Do I need to translate that somehow?

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      Separation. Kevin Bacon wanted nothing to do with this.

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        sweet memory thanks :)

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      it didnt say degrees whatre u on about?

      unless you cant use context clues to decipher a unit but blaming another country for existing isnt a proper exuse for your own shortcomings.

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      It’s slightly below freezing and snowing here in West-Central Indiana. We haven’t been above the 50s yet this Dember.

      Now admittedly, the 50s in December is not the same as when I was a kid and we are definitely doing great damage to the Earth’s climate and biosphere, but saying kids aren’t going to grow up because of it is a bit hyperbolic.

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        but saying kids aren’t going to grow up because of it is a bit hyperbolic.

        Yes. It’s a facetious tweet… You are in a meme community. You’ll have to get used to seeing jokes here.

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        • tygerprints
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          No kidding (!) Thanks for man-splaining that to me. (Rolls eyes)… if that’s the case then why is it that whenever I make a facetious comment nobody sees it as such and everyone thinks I’m being serious. You’re preaching to the choir here without realizing it.

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            I did not reply to you so I don’t know why the hell you’re ranting to me about how I was man-splaining things to you.

            Edit: nevermind, just saw their comment history and they’re an actual crazy person. Just gonna go ahead and block them now.

      • @Eheran
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        Of course they are going to grow up. 20 years are nothing. Those are issues that will only start to get serious after that time. Which is exactly why so little is happening now.

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          Two years ago, a “once in a hundred years” wind storm downed trees that had been around for decades. Many of them fell on houses, garages, etc. Last year, the once in a hundred years wind storm took down even more. We haven’t had the every hundred year storm this year yet but I am expecting it. The issues are serious.

          On a positive note, more of us are adding our voices and resources to combat the profiteers. Join us if you can.

          • @Eheran
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            That are not serious issues on the scale we are looking at (kids not going to grow up = all dead).

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                I agree. Just look at how many blindly downvote me for stating the obvious. People want to live based on feelings instead of facts. A real issue in today’s society.

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        I think the guy above you was calling out the fact that the picture in the post is using a temperature scale that is only used by very few countries as if it was the default for the Internet.

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        And here in Utah we’re having sunshine all over the place, which is odd for us this time of year. In fact it will be mid-50s this week and we may get rain, but no snow this year for Christmas (which I’m fine with). The sun is coming out again today and it feels like it’s mid-August, not December! I love the warm weather and am not a ski person, so I happen to love it - but it is so WEIRD!

        • Flying Squid
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          I’m not suggesting nothing is happening. I’m just saying there’s a huge gap between ‘it’s way too warm for this time of year than it used to be’ and ‘children of this generation won’t grow up.’

          • tygerprints
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            There is, and it is hyperbolic to suggest kids today won’t grow up. They will grow up. I mean in the 60s we all thought we’d be destroyed by atomic bombs so it was the same with people making dire predictions back then. And yet, we did grow up. The problems just came along with us. Some of them are worse than back then, but kids will still have to grow up dealing with them.

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              I mean in the 60s we all thought we’d be destroyed by atomic bombs

              Which wasn’t something that was guaranteed to happen. You had a reasonable hope that political interaction would make that unnecessary, which is what ended up happening.

              We are 100% guaranteed to face climate catastrophe and can no longer prevent it, only attempt to handle and contain it when it inevitably crosses the line of survivability, and even that is looking unlikely these days. These things are not the same.

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                Actually as a regular dumb kid, I didn’t really give the whole atomic destruction threat that much attention. I assumed I’d grow up and things would work out, which they kind of did. But you’re right about climate catastrophe, we can’t really stop what has already grown into a huge problem. But maybe we can do more to keep it from getting even worse. Only people shouldn’t do nothing on the belief that they’ll never “have to grow up and face it.” They will grow up, and they will have to face it and more besides.

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    YOU’RE IN THE JUNGLE BABY

    YOU’RE GONNA DIIIIIIE

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      This will be especially true once Alaska becomes warm enough to support a jungle.

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        Polar bears with tiger stripes, anyone?

    • @[email protected]
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      I can’t remember where I first read it but I’ve agreed with it ever since: “My retirement plan is dying in the potable water riots.”

      • @[email protected]
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        The only time water will be a problem is when someone’s using weapons to force others away from sources of it. In terms of desalinating water and delivering it to thirsty people, that’s something the market is perfectly capable of attaining. It’s always profitable to meet unmet basic needs so any water holes will be filled automatically. And that’s in the worst case scenario, where people are just buying trucked in water. In most places there will be actual plumbing serving people.

    • @[email protected]
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      Great. Thanks. Now I can’t get the image of Kevin Costner pissing into a funnel out of my head.

    • @Donjuanme
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      Where’s the water going to go? It’s in the water cycle, if anything is going to rain a lot more and a lot more violently, and in areas it shouldn’t be raining.

      If it’s contaminated we should be fine collecting and stiling rain water.

      “Water is a rare and precious resource” when not talking about habitats, is a silly hyper capitalist argument meant to stoke fear and panic purchases.

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          Those Saudi Royal horses need to eat

      • @ericbomb
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        A lot of water used in agriculture is actually from underground water sources that refill very slowly. Once we run out of those, many of the things we do can’t work anymore.

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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        About 10 years ago it didn’t rain in Central California for 2 straight years. Imagine that, but with the ground water gone, and places water is traditionally piped from saying “no more”. Millions of people would die.

      • @chiliedogg
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        When all the rain falls in the ocean, it’s effectively gone.

      • @ThatWeirdGuy1001
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        Lmfao you really think the people with money won’t take control of natural resources?

        That’s a pretty bad assumption considering they already have. Companies across the planet have already taken over most natural resources and will defend them with militaristic ways.

        Water is already privatized in a lot of areas.

        • @SpezBroughtMeHere
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          Wait, why can’t we drink it anymore? Do you really think there’s no way to purify and remove things like salt from water? Please tell me I missed the satire.

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            It’s not that we can’t remove the salt, it’s that electrolysis to remove salt from the water is very expensive from an energy perspective, which makes it expensive from an economic perspective too. A massive spike in the price of water would cause a widespread crisis impacting every corner of the economy.

            Also, building out the infrastructure required to do electrolysis on that scale would take a lot of time and resources on its own.

            • @SpezBroughtMeHere
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              The word you are looking for is electrodialysis. And that’s not the only method. Reverse osmosis, distillation and nanofiltration are other options. Also, you mention having to build out infrastructure. You must not be aware of the 16,000 desalination plants around the world already.

  • PopcornChickn
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    This shit is exactly why despite having hated growing up in the frozen tundra… I’m now staying. Its not worth giving up at this point in society.

    Been a…something… guys. Best of luck to you in the climate wars.

    May the odds be ever in your favor.

    • @[email protected]
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      You do realize that we won’t be free of the effects, right? Where do you think all the climate refugees are going to go?

      • PopcornChickn
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        Obviously… that’s why the first sentence I wrote was that I was staying up north….

        • @[email protected]
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          We’re coming to you. We’ll settle in arcologies at the poles, where it’s still cool. Let the machines run all the industry in the sun-baked deserts of middle earth

          • @[email protected]
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            Arcologies, sigh, thats the dream ain’t it. At best were wgtting Stargate slave society, at worst Metropolis. Neither is something I much want.

            • @[email protected]
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              Climate controlled rolling arcologies. Maybe we’ll get some kind of fusion laser that can freeze the water in front of the city as it rolls across the ice.

      • tygerprints
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        You’re welcome to it. You can have my freezing weather also! If it falls below 80 degrees in my apartment, I put a sweater on!! :/ I’m serious.

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          For other people: 80°F is about 21°C

          I work with a lot of expats who feel the same, but I still like that I can clothe myself against the low temperatures, but not for the hot temperatures.

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            I think I could live in sub-Saharan Africa and be OK. I love hot weather, and dry hot weather especially. Yes I am weird. Never been a fan of being cool or cold. I don’t even run my air conditioning in the summer (most days - there are some day that are too brutally hot even for me).

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    That’s ~21 degrees in non-freedom units from someone who has to do this conversion a lot.

    Also, that’s pretty normal summer temperature if you are from the Southern hemisphere.

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        If we are being really pedantic, the freezing and boiling part of first paragraph is only true under sea level atmospheric pressure, so technically, you can’t really relate these quantities with the given information in the first paragraph either.

        But I don’t think that’s the point this exerpt is trying to make.

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            Yeah but if you’re boiling your pasta and you live a few thousand feet above sea level you’re gonna want to give it a bit more time since water boils colder up here.

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              ~Who the hell times how long their pasta takes to boil? You just go until it starts making noises.~

              Edit: woopsie…that’s not what they said. Colder - so it takes longer for the pasta to cook. My bad.

              • @Alexstarfire
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                You should re-read what they wrote because that’s not what they said.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Oh yeah…thanks for pointing that out. I’ve been fighting some nasty cold/flu/covid thing and clearly not reading straight haha.

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          I like beeing pedantic. Please proceeed.

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            A calorie is not a metric unit but the joule is, 1 calorie is approximately 4.2 joule. A gram of hydrogen does not exactly have 1 mole of particles. The historical definition for the mole was the count of atoms in 12 grams of the ¹²C carbon isotope, which is slightly different.

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              The historical definition for a mole is a little underground mammal. Then you science geeks decided to just screw it all up because you couldn’t be bothered to make your own word. A molar’s a mole tooth, dangert!

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          A pressure which, funnilly enough, is not in fact 1 bar (as one would expect) in the metric system but rather 1.013 bar.

          • @Alexstarfire
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            Now that’s a big middle finger.

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        One oz of water heated 1 degree F is 1 BTU. Boom just as easy

    • splicerslicer
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      But this is clearly written from the perspective of someone who lives in a climate that used to be solidly below freezing all through the winter months in the northern hemisphere. Now snow seems like a distant memory from childhood.

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      21°C/70°F is a normal winter temperature where I’m from in the southern hemisphere 🥲

      And right now it’s summer… let’s put it this way, lately it’s been over 40°C/104°F for so many weeks in a row that, when temperatures dipped to 33°C/91°F, it felt cold… and to think it’s only going to get worse going forward @_@

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      I’m in Utah and we get up to around 106 to 107 on some days in mid-Summer. But we also go down as slow as 0 degrees sometimes in winter. I would rather live in a state where temps are in the warmer register most days of the year.

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    I call them Generation Last

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      The crazy part is I have friends who are well aware that the world is completely fucked and they are still making new children.

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        The cute smile, hugs and sex are pretty convincing 😪

        EDIT: of my girlfriend, you sick psychos

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        Then they are narcissists, plain and simple. Looking in the mirror saying “yeah I wanna see more of that”

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              Want to make a bet? I jest, obviously, since neither you nor I will be around to see how this all plays out in the end, but I am serious in my assertion that regardless of what lies ahead, humanity will not become extinct on the basis of climate change alone. That’s the worst sort of alarmist defeatism. You’ve basically given up ahead of time, before the real struggle has even begun.

              You do you, but I am not done fighting and am not about to admit defeat and retire into self-fulfilling capitulation. I don’t want to accuse you of cowardice, but in some ways that’s kind of what I see.

    • @lugal
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      The German equivalent of JustStopOil is called the Last Generation (or letzte Generation). The official name is like the last generation that can hold up climate crises, but the implication is clear

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        That’s a quaint and hopeful take on it

        I’m seeing geometric progression, positive feedbacks, and we are almost out of time

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    70 degrees in Dezember around here would kill most people, since it’s only 30 degrees below the boiling point of water.

    • @douglasg14b
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      Ah, being intentionally obtuse.

      • @Aceticon
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        There are actually more layers there than just the obvious one…

    • @Tangent5280
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      I think you mispelled December as a reference to something but I dont know what

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        Came out half in Portuguese, half in English.

        Well spotted.

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    I live near the arctic circle… it’s usually -40° right now… it’s actually +5°C today.

    T-shirt weather in late December… wtf humanity

    • Chetzemoka
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      Yeah I never expected a nice day in December to bring such existential dread.

    • @[email protected]
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      I’m not as far north as you, but we’re also having a super mild stint. Normally have a couple feet of snow right now but it’s rained for 3 days. Last December we had the same thing. Year before that we had about 2-3 feet of snow and highs of -10°C.

      It’s gotten to the point where I can’t even rely on weather reporting to give me current weather. One day a couple weeks ago it’s -20 but the Weather Network said it was 0… That was rude. I’m thinking of setting up my own weather station.

    • @[email protected]
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      I live close to the Arctic Circle as well and it’s +2 currently. Two weeks ago it snowed like a meter in 2 days. I’ve seen enough snow for this winter.

    • @[email protected]
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      My neighbour was mowing his lawn last week (he’s retired). Usually we’d be shovelling by now.

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        I find it funny that you decided to include in your comment that he’s retired, it doesn’t add anything.

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          A little colour to help paint the picture.

          But it explains, doesn’t it? Retired guys: always doing yard work, and fussing with their properties. I swear I just see them walking around with various tools all the time.

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    We have had almost no snow in BC this year. Northern BC is in severe drought. There isn’t even enough water to fill the recently completed highly controversial site C dam.

    Basically that means we are going to have the worst fire season we’ve ever seen, sorry america but the smoke alone will ruin your summer too

    Even fucking Haida Gwaii is seeing some mild level of drought right now. This shit ain’t right

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        That’s why I prefer rain. I can look outside and say, “oh look at the rain I have to shovel off my sidewalk.” (Sarcastically of course…)

    • tygerprints
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      Me I’d rather have rain than snow any day. My dream is to move somewhere where, when people see the snow scraper on my dashboard, they’ll point and say “What’s that??”

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          It’s a bit weird having 50 degree weather here in Salt Lake this time of year. Last year at this time, we had 20 degree temps and snow all over the place. This year we’re having to make snow for the skiers up in the mountains. It’s fine with me, because I’d be happy if it was 80 degrees year round - but of course everything would dry up including our economy.

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          If you live somewhere where it snows frequently, accumulated snow or freezing rain with below freezing temps will leave a layer of ice on your car’s windows if not cleaned quickly. Sometimes, a brush and a car’s defrosters running can be enough. But if it’s cold enough or thick enough, a plastic scraper may be needed to get the job done.

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          If that’s true - then I want to live where you are. A snow scraper is a little flimsy hand-held plastic shovel kind of thing that is supposed to be used to remove ice and snow from your windshield and other car windows. They’re usually pretty flimsy and break easily.
          Not very effective, but we usually have one or two in our car just in case we might need it.

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            TIL. someone replied with a picture, but honestly it looks like a big toothbrush and i was confused.

            i live in Brazil btw, would not recommend

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        I moved from a cold climate to a hot climate. Instead of not wanting to do anything outside in the winter due to temps being in the 10f-20f range, I don’t want to do anything outside in the summers due to temperatures being in the 100f-110f range. You can always add layers of clothing, but there’s only so many layers you can remove.

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          Well I get the ‘best’ of both worlds here in Utah. Usually we have about 10-20 f weather in the winter, then 100 to 110 days in the summer. And you’re right, they have the same effect of keeping me indoors most of the time. I may be moving (not by my own choice) to Florida so - now I can deal with the heat AND oppressive humidity at the same time. Hooray.

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    Kenny Lì, @theyylovekj

    Lil kids talking about “when I grow up”. Man it’s 70 in December you ain’t growing up lmao