Remember the episode where Trip gets pregnant, and he gets all broody and he rides the man lift in engineering up to demonstrate that the things which are at perfect hand rail height, that you’d probably like to hold onto while riding a lift in a large vehicle that might move suddenly, shears right past a support in its hoist way so if you did actually hold it like a hand rail you’d cut your fingers off?
The questions Enterprise never answered for me: When they’re between planets and Porthos has to poop, does he just poop on the floor of the ship? Are there little puddles of Porthos pee that crewpeople slip on? Is there a crewman whose job is dog cleanup duty?
If you teleport often enough you never have to use the bathroom, it just reassembles you with an empty bladder and mostly empty bowels. It just really sucks to be the guy who has to scrub the pattern buffers
How else would anything interesting happen in the episode? In my head canon most of the federation is very responsible but also boring. That’s why the show follows this particular bunch of degenerates.
Well, I’m not deeply familiar with how their tech works but I assume they need basic matter to build things out of with their computers (like when they have food made) but maybe they make it from energy instead of matter. I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy. Either is seemingly still a finite resource.
I meant in the sense of like… Janeway is working with a limited set of resources, an extreme version of this. So that implies that being separated from the Federation can still result in lack of basic resources. Money is just trade for resources and a moneyless society doles out resources based on societal need.
So the Enterprise in general may not be as deeply far away as Janeway was, but can still be in a position where they don’t have better places to do such an experiment or may be limited on resources, in my imperfect understanding.
Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don’t need any base matter. Voyager did lack things, but what they mainly lacked were sources of long-term energy like dilithium and the Enterprise-D would not intentionally be so far away that they would run out of dilithium. The Enterprise almost never left the Alpha Quadrant of the galaxy. They were pretty much always within at most a month of rescue even if they were totally out of such things. Voyager was initially looking at no resupply for 70 years.
Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don’t need any base matter.
According to stuff like the Star Trek Technical Manual, this is not true.
Transporters work by disassembling you into your constituent particles, transporting those particles to the destination, and then reassembling them. It takes a lot of energy to do that, but officially anyway your particles are the same particles before and after.
Replicator works by transporting base nutrient stocks out of tanks into the replicator terminal, but this time it rearranges the nutrient stocks according to whatever the target recipe is
Perhaps those nutrients are very easily available so it’s not an issue, and the energy required is the bottleneck. At any rate, I don’t think Voyager or anything produced after that ever mentioned it.
I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy.
They need matter. Admiral Vance has this exchange with Osyraa in Discovery:
Osyraa: Hmm. It doesn’t quite taste like the real thing, does it?
Vance: I’ve never eaten a real apple.
Osyraa: Well, how sad. Apples are a thing of beauty. You want to talk about oppression, you should start in your own mess hall.
Vance: It’s made of our shit, you know. That’s the base material that we use in our replicators. We deconstruct it to the atomic level and then reform the atoms. It’s pretty good for shit, and we don’t have to commit atrocities for it.
literally no one, in any of the crews, or star fleet command follow the rules
at some point of another, ever single one of those motherfuckers says fuck it this is important to me, and justifies stealing space craft, breaking the prime directive, anything they want to
… or its just tradition when a crew of a small group of individuals get sent out into the wild frontier where no one is monitoring them or going to stop them from doing anything.
If I sent you out with a hundred million dollar budget, a decked out modern RV with endless fuel, a bunch of military hardware and a crew of like minded people into the wild west of 1800s America … what would you guys end up doing after about two years wandering around out there on your own?
The Federation clearly thinks something like OSHA isn’t important.
The Empire from Star Wars at least has the excuse that they’re outright evil. So the lack of safety railing in the Death Star tracks.
The Federation is supposed to be filled with the brightest, best, and most empathetic but their safety procedures are basically nonexistent.
Further evidence:
Nevermind the lack of environmental suits.
Just rawdogging that new planet.
We did a scan. We only found a few dozen Ebola like viruses; I’m sure it’ll be fine!!
Ebola really only infects people who work with ebola patients, and is common in cultures where it’s tradition to kiss corpses of relatives.
So hey, don’t do those things, and Ebola is far less scary than most scary diseases.
Sorry 🤣🤣
Reading The Hot Zone— so have Ebola on my mind.
Remember the episode where Trip gets pregnant, and he gets all broody and he rides the man lift in engineering up to demonstrate that the things which are at perfect hand rail height, that you’d probably like to hold onto while riding a lift in a large vehicle that might move suddenly, shears right past a support in its hoist way so if you did actually hold it like a hand rail you’d cut your fingers off?
Starfleet be negligent.
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Some fuckin’ crewman was like “Why would anyone put their hands there?”
He has a name.
Crewman Dillard:
“Lefty” to his friends.
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OSHA didn’t survive WW3.
WW3 was fought against OSHA … and OSHA lost
They were the ones writing regulations in blood!
The questions Enterprise never answered for me: When they’re between planets and Porthos has to poop, does he just poop on the floor of the ship? Are there little puddles of Porthos pee that crewpeople slip on? Is there a crewman whose job is dog cleanup duty?
This conversation seemed all too familiar…
From a Risa post
That’s how you know this keeps Flying Squid up at night.
If he has to break the Temporal Prime Directive a dozen, a hundred times… by the Koala, he’ll get an answer!
If you teleport often enough you never have to use the bathroom, it just reassembles you with an empty bladder and mostly empty bowels. It just really sucks to be the guy who has to scrub the pattern buffers
That’s what the lower decks are for
How else would anything interesting happen in the episode? In my head canon most of the federation is very responsible but also boring. That’s why the show follows this particular bunch of degenerates.
That’s basically the premise of Lower Decks lol
I considered that, too.
Enterprise is an exploration and research vessel so maybe their whole thing is they’re doing experiments on a shoestring out in the middle of nowhere.
Can you have a shoestring budget in a moneyless society?
Well, I’m not deeply familiar with how their tech works but I assume they need basic matter to build things out of with their computers (like when they have food made) but maybe they make it from energy instead of matter. I enjoy Star Trek but I honestly don’t know the full deets on whether their matter creators need base matter or make it from energy. Either is seemingly still a finite resource.
I meant in the sense of like… Janeway is working with a limited set of resources, an extreme version of this. So that implies that being separated from the Federation can still result in lack of basic resources. Money is just trade for resources and a moneyless society doles out resources based on societal need.
So the Enterprise in general may not be as deeply far away as Janeway was, but can still be in a position where they don’t have better places to do such an experiment or may be limited on resources, in my imperfect understanding.
Replicators, just like the holodeck and the transporters convert energy into matter. They don’t need any base matter. Voyager did lack things, but what they mainly lacked were sources of long-term energy like dilithium and the Enterprise-D would not intentionally be so far away that they would run out of dilithium. The Enterprise almost never left the Alpha Quadrant of the galaxy. They were pretty much always within at most a month of rescue even if they were totally out of such things. Voyager was initially looking at no resupply for 70 years.
According to stuff like the Star Trek Technical Manual, this is not true.
Transporters work by disassembling you into your constituent particles, transporting those particles to the destination, and then reassembling them. It takes a lot of energy to do that, but officially anyway your particles are the same particles before and after.
Replicator works by transporting base nutrient stocks out of tanks into the replicator terminal, but this time it rearranges the nutrient stocks according to whatever the target recipe is
Perhaps those nutrients are very easily available so it’s not an issue, and the energy required is the bottleneck. At any rate, I don’t think Voyager or anything produced after that ever mentioned it.
They need matter. Admiral Vance has this exchange with Osyraa in Discovery:
Osyraa: Hmm. It doesn’t quite taste like the real thing, does it?
Vance: I’ve never eaten a real apple.
Osyraa: Well, how sad. Apples are a thing of beauty. You want to talk about oppression, you should start in your own mess hall.
Vance: It’s made of our shit, you know. That’s the base material that we use in our replicators. We deconstruct it to the atomic level and then reform the atoms. It’s pretty good for shit, and we don’t have to commit atrocities for it.
Ask Tasha Yar.
literally no one, in any of the crews, or star fleet command follow the rules
at some point of another, ever single one of those motherfuckers says fuck it this is important to me, and justifies stealing space craft, breaking the prime directive, anything they want to
every. crew. every. show. every. movie.
it’s kinda a star trek must
… or its just tradition when a crew of a small group of individuals get sent out into the wild frontier where no one is monitoring them or going to stop them from doing anything.
If I sent you out with a hundred million dollar budget, a decked out modern RV with endless fuel, a bunch of military hardware and a crew of like minded people into the wild west of 1800s America … what would you guys end up doing after about two years wandering around out there on your own?
Remember they aren’t they aren’t getting paid, they are there because they are the biggest risk addicts in the federation.
Tucker in ENT S1E5 was right… those ships ARE a death trap.