• @disguy_ovahea
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    “Five percent of the population is now dead or wounded. Sixty percent of them are women and children. Some 200,000 housing units have been completely destroyed,” he continued. “Every university in Gaza has been bombed. There is now imminent starvation taking place.”

    “So why you would invite somebody who has done such horrific things to the Palestinian people?” Sanders added. “I think it’s a very bad idea.”

    Thank you Bernie.

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    “If Netanyahu comes to address Congress, I would be more than glad to show the ICC the way to the House floor to issue that warrant,” said Rep. Mark Pocan.

    classically based

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        Instead, because it was established in the middle of our aughts war crime spree, we passed the Invade the Hague if they Arrest any of Our War Criminals Act.

      • @Viking_Hippie
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        I hear people in the Upper Midwest sometimes accidentally drive to Canada because of confusing signage and/or accidentally taking one wrong turn.

        Someone might be able to exploit that to get him to an ICC signatory country without being tried for kidnapping or trafficking…

        • @AngryCommieKender
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          Shit, if you’re on surface streets you can cross the Mexican border by accident, and getting back in is a hassle.

          • @Viking_Hippie
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            From the Upper Midwest?! Exactly HOW fast IS your car?? 😛

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        guess it’s up to us to bring him in…

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        And so many people who deserve it would be in jail.

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    So Johnson didn’t invite Kenya’s president to speak in Congress, even as Kenya is leading an international mission to try to bring stability to Haiti which should do more to solve what the Republicans see as a border crisis than the Republicans ever did, but he’s inviting Netanyahu. Morals aside, is he trying to torpedo what’s left of the US’s international influence?

    • @Maggoty
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      Yes. But also the GOP has noticed the democrats are split over Israel. So they’re trying to throw gas on that divide before the election.

    • FuglyDuck
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      Nope, he’s trying to be Moses.

      • @chiliedogg
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        Moses didn’t get to live in the nation he created.

        • FuglyDuck
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          Not to well-actually you, but there’s no archeological evidence to suggest the entire flight-from-Egypt thing actually happened.

          Israelites, as a whole, were never enslaved by Egypt and never wandering through the desert. There probably were refugees absorbed that came up from Egypt, which creates the stories that then became part of the collective psyche, but it was a relative handful.

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      Lindsey Graham never found an issue he couldn’t be stupidly hyperbolic about.

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      “They’ll come for the gays next! i know what I’m talking about, because I’ve come for the gays many, many times.”

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    Could backfire on the GOP if he publicly praises Biden for his support.

    More likely though Bibi will shit all over Biden despite his unwavering support, which I would think would snap Biden out of this lunacy but I can’t imagine him changing his stance at this point.

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      More likely though Bibi will shit all over Biden despite his unwavering support, which I would think would snap Biden out of this lunacy but I can’t imagine him changing his stance at this point

      This is far more likely. Biden like many Democrats has been blindly pro-Isreal for literally 4-5 decades. He’s a sure thing and he will be treated as such. There’s no advantage to praising Biden and no disadvantage to shitting on him. Seems Israel has more of a right to American tax dollars than Americans do .

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        Short term yes, but it is a strategic risk long term.

        Part of the reason Democrats are turning on Netenyahu (and, by association, Israel) is genuine policy concerns and grassroot pressure.

        However, another part of his problem with Democrats is that he has spent the past decade inserting himself into US politics as a Republican alligned figure. That both makes Democratic politicians more willing to oppose him, and gives the Democratic base a permission structure for opposing him.

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      Biden has supported far more than he should, but it absolutely not been unwavering. Are you even paying attention?

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        Wavering in aesthetic, maybe.

        I think he paused weapons for all of 24 hours and has chosen to obstruct any accountability from the UN and ICC

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      Could backfire on the GOP if he publicly praises Biden for his support.

      Nah, that will be spun as “Genocider praises genocider” by the left. There’s no way this looks good for Biden and they’re at least smart enough not to interrupt their enemy when they’re making a mistake.

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    Good to see this from House Democrats.

  • @3volver
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    My country is red when I think it should be green. I’m not happy about it. Sanders always makes the most sense.

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      Saying such things makes them call you anti-Semitic. Even though you are supporting Bernie, a jewish man who is also calling for an end to this slaughter.

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    Netanyahu hasn’t figured out that the US is a country on the decline yet? He should be asking for support elsewhere.

    • @jeffwOPM
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      I’m stupid for posting an article? Care to explain that logic?

      • @Nutteman
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        Lmao this was meant as a response somewhere else and my dumbass hit the post reply button. You’re not stupid. I love you ❤️

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          lol it happens

    • Flying Squid
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      What exactly are they supposed to do?

      • @Viking_Hippie
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        Exactly what they did to Apartheid South Africa and Putin’s Russia.

        • Flying Squid
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          Which is what? Vote against any bills supporting them? Vote in favor of bills that are against them?

          Because they’re already doing that.

          So what else would you have them do?

          • @Viking_Hippie
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            Pass legislation to boycott and sanction them. Which they’re NOT doing.

            The vast majority of Democrats are not even doing what little YOU’RE saying they are, instead going all in on the Zionist genocide-denying agenda of Biden and the GOP.

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              First of all, Democrats don’t control congress. Expecting them to do the impossible is ludicrous.

              Secondly, we’re talking about these specific Democrats and not all Democrats. Please do not muddy the waters.

              So, again, what should these specific Democrats do?

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                First of all, Democrats don’t control congress

                The GOP majority is so razor thin that the power of the speaker is pretty much the only difference between the current situation and them being in control. And the speaker’s chair is getting awfully wobbly…

                Secondly, we’re talking about these specific Democrats and not all Democrats. Please do not muddy the waters.

                Ok, that’s fair. My apologies.

                So, again, what should these specific Democrats do?

                Lobby their colleagues in the Senate and the White House for the aforementioned boycott and sanctions, rally their constituency behind the cause, generally do a better job of forcefully repudiating the criminal leader of a fascist apartheid regime currently committing genocide than saying lukewarm stuff like “it’s not a good time right now” and “too divisive”

                • Flying Squid
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                  Lobby their colleagues in the Senate and the White House for the aforementioned boycott and sanctions, rally their constituency behind the cause,

                  What makes you think they aren’t doing that?

                  generally do a better jobof forcefully repudiating the criminal leader of a fascist apartheid regime currently committing genocide than saying lukewarm stuff like “it’s not a good time right now” and “too divisive”

                  They’re literally doing more than that. RTFA. Hell, read the one sentence quote from the article at the top.

                  So they’re doing what you want and it’s still not good enough.

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    Free speech being stifled by the Liberals. They’re more and more like the far right every day.

    • @givesomefucks
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      So you think “free speech” means a foreign leader who is actively committing a genocide must be allowed to speak directly to Congress?

      Do you think Putin should be able to? What about NK or China’s leaders?

      How pissed are you when peaceful protesters are attacked by cops?

      Because that actually is a free speech issue. But no one is entitled to give a speech to Congress.

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        I think free speech is the ability for an invited speaker to speak freely in front of Congress. An active campaign to prevent that is absolutely stifling Free speech.

        Nowhere am I claiming that they are intending on putting him in jail for what he’s saying. That would be illegal. Stifling or subverting the intention of Congress is definitely stifling free speech.

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          The speaker does not own the house and does not represent the whole of Congress. Opposing the speaker’s wishes is not the same as opposing free speech and an invite to speak is not a subpoena.

          If it was a subpoena to speak before Congress then it would be a violation to oppose under a contempt charge like any American citizen would get, just like the previous administration violated subpoenas that should have resulted in charges except for Senate Republicans who chose not to do their job and enforce the law.

          The speaker can invite whoever they want and the opposition party can try to prevent that within the bounds of the law if they oppose the invitee.

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            No one says they own it, but they are quite literally the speaker of the House. So when they extend an invitation to someone to speak before the American public and that is undermined then they add us quite literally stifling Free speech.

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              No, you are equivocating the house speaker and Congress and they are not the same in who they represent. The house speaker represents the majority party and their constituents. Congress, including all of the representatives and senators from both parties, are there to represent the American people.

    • @Agrivar
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      Explain to the class how exactly you think the concept of “free speech” applies to the leader of a foreign country looking to butter up our elected officials. He can go on Fox “news” if he wants a willing audience.

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      Yeah, they won’t let me give a speech to Congress either. They’re stifling MY free speech too.

      What’s that? That’s not what free speech means?

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        Yes, putting together a campaign to stop someone who has been invited to speak before Congress from doing so is absolutely stifling of free speech.

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          THAT’S NOT WHAT FREE SPEECH IS!!!

          It only means literally only one thing: the government isn’t allowed to punish you for saying something.

          That’s literally it. No one is being punished. Bibi can say whatever depraved shit he wants to anyone who will listen, it just turns out that it’s not Congress.

          You “free speech” literally don’t even understand the very basic thing you build your lives around. Less brain cells than an orange tabby.

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            You’re showing your lack of comprehension here. I never said said they’re violating the Constitution. If that’s how you’re interpreting this, that’s just ridiculous…

            I said they’re stifling. Free speech which is exactly what they’re trying to do.

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              Sure, if you change the definition of words then you’ll never be wrong. Of course when YOU said “free speech” you didn’t mean the commonly understood, legally defined term that people use when the government oppresses its citizens by restricting their ability to speak out against it. You meant some arbitrary broader concept that includes Bibi coming over and explaining why opposing genocide is anti-Semitism directly to Congress. As if any foreign agent has, or should have the right to address the government anytime they want.

              I wonder what word you’ll redefine next to not be wrong.

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                If I were him, I’d try to redefine “redefine”.

                Hah, checkmate atheist.

                Ooh…ooh…“‘moving the goalposts’ means giving your opponent another shot at a field goal”.

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                No one needs to change the definition when you’re working overtime to twist what I’m saying. I never said you needed to be arrested for violating the Constitution. I’m pointing out the clear and obvious fact that Free speech before they make hunger so it is being stifled…

                That you’re supporting this just shows how fascist the claimed progressives have become in America… if you’re afraid of someone speaking then challenge them with ideas. Don’t shut them down. I get that’s what you’re taught to do on campus now, but that’s not an effective way to deal with someone or something you disagree with.

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                  Absolutely not! You may have a right to speak but you have no right to an audience. Just because someone wants to talk it doesn’t mean I have to “challenge their ideas”. I can just not listen. And if they want to come speak in my house I can trespass them. That’s what the Democrats are doing.

                  You can speak, but no one needs to listen. Some ideas don’t deserve the respect of a challenge. Anything Bibi wants to say right now is easily in that range.

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      “Freedom of Speech” is not “Freedom to get a free soapbox anywhere you feel like whenever you feel like”.

      In your version, anybody in the World has a right to address Congress whenever they feel like, in which case it should be first come first served and Netanyahu can join the line just everybody else (as giving priority to some would interfere in everybody else’s “Freedom”).

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        No one is saying free speech is giving the entire world a soapbox wherever they want .

        We’re talking about someone who has been invited by the speaker of the House to speak in front of Congress. This isn’t any random person on a soapbox. This is the speaker of the House of Representatives making an official US government invitation to an ally. Undermining that is absolutely stifling Free speech.

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          I’m sorry but Free Speech is exactly about anybody, a.k.a. random, persons having a freedom, and there is no mention about “allies” or any other special groups having any more right to it than anybody else exactly because you can’t have one Freedom for some and a different Freedom for others: Free it’s for everybody, otherwise it’s not Free, it’s Controlled.

          You claim this is a Free Speech matter and then your entire argument is about speech for some people controlled by an invitation of a specifica person, the very opposite of Free.

          As I said, if Congress should be treated as a Free Speech space then ANYBODY has a right to go there and speak (and Netanyahu can join the queue), if only some people are allowed to go there, controlled by an invitation by a specific person, then it’s not Free Speech, it’s about a space with access limited by rules, be it to speak or something else, so it’s about Congressional Rules and your entire “argument” is total bollocks.

          You can’t try and bypass the rules by claiming it’s all about Free Speech at the very same time you want it for just this one person just this one time - that’s just complete total hypocrisy.

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            Sure, you’ve convinced me, anyone that the speaker of the house thinks deserves that platform should have it then, ally or not.

            That you think limiting the ability of people to speak before Congress, isn’t stifling free speech is beyond absurd.

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              Why don’t you just give Bibi a nice reach-around, and leave the rest of us out of it?

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                I’m hardly concerned with who’s the one giving the speech and entirely concerned with the fact the Democratic party is working overtime to stifle Free speech before the American Congress.

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          That’s still not free speech tho.

          But in any case, why does it matter?

          Is Bibi a US citizen?

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            It’s absolutely free speech. I’m not saying someone needs to be arrested for violating a Constitution, but the fact that you’re supporting the subversion of free speech in Congress is absolutely ridiculous.

            It doesn’t matter whether the invited party is a citizen or not. They are invited by the speaker of the House once that platform is extended, It’s what matters…

            • @Zyrxil
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              You have not explained your reasoning at all on how saying they’re against Netanyahu speaking in front of the House is subversion of free speech and not just those representatives exercising their own freedom of speech. That is exactly what freedom of speech is, the right for everyone in the US to voice their opinions.

              In contrast, there is no right to speak in front of the House, especially not for a foreign politician. The Speaker can invite someone to speak, and if anyone physically interferes with the invitee’s speaking or shouts over them, that would be a violation of House procedures, not any infringement on their freedom of speech. They would not have been silenced or punished. They would not have been gagged (physically or otherwise). They would still be able voice their opinions.

              Actual examples of speech suppression would be searching and questioning pro-Palestinian journalists at the border, and arrests of peaceful non trespassing protestors.

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                The reasoning is abundantly clear. The speaker of the House quite literally by definition is in charge of who speaks before the house. Undermining and subverting the invitation of someone to speak before Congress is absolutely limiting free speech before the American public.

                That you’re trying to make this a legal argument, proves to me that you understand the problem here. I’m not claiming this is a legal issue. This is a moral issue and the Democrats who constantly claim moral superiority have lost credibility with this action. If they have a problem with what a foreign leader has to say then they should take to the floor with a rebuttal. Well, over half of Americans support this particular Ally. American people have jobs that are entirely independent on the support of this. Ally. Throwing a hissy fit and refusing to allow someone of that stature to speak before Congress is a very sad demonstration of weakness.

                Holding people at the border and arresting peaceful protesters are also examples of stifling Free speech. Both can be true regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum. It’s wild to me watching liberals turning into the scaredy cats that they claim. The conservatives are with actions like this. Hardly progressive.

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                  You’re literally claiming things that are not true. Voicing your opinion against a prospective (as in it hasn’t even happened) action by the Speaker of the House is a right afforded to everyone, including representatives. Speaking against something is not perversely somehow suppressing speech. Saying someone is not allowed to speak against something is suppressing of speech.

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                That’s the legal definition. It’s insane that you’re trying to argue that THAT is what’s needed to consider the limiting of speech to be unacceptable. Your bias has clouded your ability to reason. I’m quite sure you’re not making those claims about the campus protests being shut down by the schools.

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                  Campus protests being shut down by schools is absolutely a completely different situation than someone being invited to give a speech. Saying no to someone giving a speech isn’t punishing them.

                  As you’ve been told multiple times, free speech doesn’t guarantee you a platform wherever or whenever you want. In fact, by your definition of free speech, the entire parliamentary procedure is a violation of free speech. Which is a ridiculous take.

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        A congressional campaign to stop an invited speaker from speaking is absolutely stifling free speech.

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          I don’t give a fuck what you have to say and I’m not going to listen to you if you say it, and I’m certainly not going to let you walk into my house and spew your bullshit genocidal lies.

          There, did I stifle your free speech? No, I didn’t.

          It’s no different from what these congresspeople are doing. To say nothing of the fact that Netanyahu isn’t a fucking US citizen so the bill of rights doesn’t apply to him anyway

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            Yes, you’re exactly proving my point. You’re running away and hiding from people who don’t align with your thinking. That doesn’t help society. It just puts you further and further into your Echo chamber.

            Undermining The US government by scuttling an invited speaker is absolutely stifling Free speech whether you care or not.

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              Ah right, because allowing fascists a platform to lie to people has worked out sooooo goddamn well in recent history.

              Keep licking those boots bud.

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                Because allowing the speaker of the house to platform an ally who the American people are funding is exactly what the American people deserve.

                But instead of having the capacity to listen to a conflicting opinion, people are losing their minds like the choken headed morons they are.

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                  choken headed morons?

                  you’re such a fucking waste of oxygen.

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            The classic Anti-Semitic Holocaust inversion. LMFAO. You bigots are so predictable, the Elder’s of Zion is about to become a Best Seller again based on your kind.

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          Choke to death on Bibi’s cock, you fucking Nazi.

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            Classic Holocaust inversion Anti semitism. Y’all are just so predictable. Can’t handle reality so you revert to your classic tropes.

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      Not wanting people to speak before Congress is STIFLING FREE SPEECH but banning books, drag shows, certain religions in school, protests, pronouns, tribal modifiers and minority hairstyles is NOT!